2012-06-18, 22:57 | Link #21 |
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I think my perspective is flipped in this regard. I'm fine with the hero of a harem series being the way he is. It's part of the building blocks of the genre. Just as you expect villains to monologue their plan, the hero also has a set of personality traits that are necessary for the story to work. My problem lies more with the romance overtaking what is often a fairly interesting overplot. I understand romance is also a major plot in these things, but the premises these series set up are often pretty fun to explore in themselves. This may be why I lean more towards comedy-based series (and/or episodes). Worldbuilding and character building exist in more dimensions than the romantic.
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But if you mean the examples of all-female shows I listed, it just depends how you look at it personally. For example, I'm not a guy who hangs an imaginary "lesbian couple" sign over every scene where two girls hug each other, though I imagine there are a lot who do. I personally just see it as a close friendship between girls. Not to mention unlike harem shows, there aren't any characters a male otaku could project themselves onto in anime with an all-female cast.
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2012-06-18, 23:09 | Link #24 |
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I prefer neither over the other. All female just doesn't connect to me. At least have a supporting guy in there somewhere so I have someone I can sorta relate to. I also don't like that some all girl ones tend to force yuri, just because there's only girls there doesn't mean they all should feel the need to make out with each other, down everyone's throats or have them dressed in very stupid and overly revealing outfits. Though I wouldn't be against watching an all girl one that doesn't feel the need to force a yuri relationship, though I have nothing against non-forced ones, or having them dressed in only thongs/ect and their boob bouncing at every little movement. That's just annoying.
As for Harem... I dislike harem because most of the characters will almost always get shafted in favor of the "Favorite". Harem usually ends without a real conclusion with the status Que staying the same. When I watch Anime I don't want to be left with a cliffhanger, unless they're doing another season, or the main cast staying the exact same as the anime started. I personally love growth and to see a character at the end and notice how much they've changed since the beginning. I also prefer that if they're doing a love thing they should focus on the main pair and not a half a dozen girls fighting over a guy like he's the best slab of meat in the world. Even than most animes can't even handle the main pair well let alone a harem setting. |
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You can justify all day what you're actually watching the show for, but in the end yuri shows are just like any other sexual fantasies- alots of beautiful girls, but this time- no other penis in sight! Quote:
If they really want to project themselves, not having to put themselves in the role of another character seems easier... Or rather, not having a character to project themselves wouldn't really matter.
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2012-06-18, 23:53 | Link #26 |
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Like Midonin, I enjoy many shows with little male presence. And on the surface I'm inclined to say that I prefer no male lead casts due to stuff like Madoka, Taisho Yakyuu Musume, and Hanasaku Iroha, then I remember that harem includes stuff like Bakemonogatari and Sola - and if you stretch the definition a bit, even stuff like Kure-nai and Haruhi. Overall I'd give "no male lead" an edge when harem is defined strictly and harem the edge when harem is defined loosely.
A few other points I'd like to make: 1) Despite the fact I embrace shows with little male presence like K-On! and Hidamari Sketch, I actually like it when they include some guys too, particularly for romance potential - Hanasaku Iroha comes to mind as it's a seinen whose major characters are female but it has male romantic interests too. 2) I'd tend to say my preferences in romance anime tend towards non-harem romances of both single and multi couple varieties. Examples include EF, Iriya no Sora UFO no Natsu, Otome Youkai Zakuro, Ano Natsu de Matteru, Inu x Boku SS, etc. 3) Frankly, both harem and no male lead shows have tropes that can aggravate and flops mixed in with the good stuff. Just because I like many shows from each category doesn't mean they I can't find fault in them.
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Actually the recent trend of harem protagonists have moved pass the weaker varieties from the earlier 2000s. Most Male Protagonists are now proper characters themselves as oppose to their visual novel hollow shells, so I guess that means a large amount of the fanbase are now hidden badasses ?
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I somehow doubt that most of the people who watched the Yosuga no Sora anime shared the protagonists shotesque cute looks.
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In these days.
The thing about Harem. It's been so done so many times to death, ever since Tenchi Muyo -- there's hardly you can really expect more about of this genre. That's especially when you have a harem on steroids in Negima. The All-Girls thing. It's relatively new. So, there's plenty of ways to explore this. You have the group of 4-5 girls, doing ordinary things (Lucky Star, K-ON, etc.). Then you have big groups of them (Saki, Idolmaster, etc). And the thing is: the all-girl series these days do not involve magical girls - not particularly anyways.
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This is probably true in the past where majority of the harem stories come from Visual Novels where you ARE the protagonists, but those days are long gone. Not even our resident Mangatron goes "Yup, that's me over there !" Quote:
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I don't like pure fanservice harem shows just like how I don't like yuri bait series; my motto in life is the same as for my Animes- Moderation.
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it depends on the plot of the anime, in an anime like k-on where the plot is of friendship between girls, what role would a male character have in it, even in yuri anime a male character cannot have a proper role, but still a supporting male character in yuri will be alright a bit
my preferance will be an all girl cast, almost every harem has typical character design, a lame guy, a flirty girl, a moe, a tsundere, a loli, it's the same kind of harem everywhere, it's nice to see it if you are watching a harem for the first time after that it gets very boring, Quote:
rather than typical harem, partial harem like Ah! My Goddess is better to watch, where the lead male and lead female have feelings only for each other and other females are around just for fun or for time pass
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Don't worry, it's not just you. I meant "you are the protagonist" as in like how you would immerse yourself in a game
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I think harem’s typical weakness compared to all-female anime is that most of the harems have “tired and true” formula which mainly/generally about the interaction between the main-guy with the many girls provided. If that main formula is accompanied by other “special” elements, it can become a quite good and interesting combination (Onegai Teacher, TWGOK, Highschool of the Dead, etc), but if it doesn’t have anything special and only filled with tired cliches, it will be boring as hell (Akane-iro ni Somaru Saka, Girl’s Bravo, DearS, etc). Since all-female anime (generally) don’t have the obligation of that “awkward boy x girls interaction”, they can create interesting plot and settings easier than harems (Claymore, Nanoha, etc). That’s why I was so dissapointed that anime like Queen’s Blade & Ikki Tousen become nothing more than ecchi shows.
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