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阿賀野型3番艦、矢矧 Lv180
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Honestly, I think judging someone on mere bogus value that is now broken due to absolutely offscale system is rather poor, especially if one has the bad luck of rubbing some high rep people the wrong way. OTOH, a "troll" can also rep grind. Really, it is pretty much the same than any other social network: there isn't a clear indication if the said individual would be to your liking in term of speech and whatnot. What's best is actually the idea you make of them by yourself, and I really think the rep system being terminated will facilitate communication. On a mod perspective, more apparent flamewar isn't exactly certain: unlike neg rep, foul behaviours are more prone to be reported if out of the open, which means easier way for us to handle. Like rf said, the reputation system was often used as a "loophole" to bypass our rules against comments and retorts that we never allowed in the first place. So removing the system would actually be a deterrent as it cut some people option to go with personal attacks and whatever inconsiderate comments in "complete" impunity (assuming it wasn't reported to us). Quote:
It has come to our attention that "rep grind" is actually more often than we might have expected, be it unconsciously (due to some people being buddies and prone to agree together) and some doing on purpose to actually have their standing (or, inversely, some people abusing the system to belittle some others). Furthermore, the way how it is earned now surely don't make some high rep ranked people to be "elder", especially when discussions alone aren't the only way to receive reputation.
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2012-12-15, 19:32 | Link #43 | |
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I just do not think there's any inherent value in giving distinction to people in a forum conversation like this. I think the worth of a person's character will be displayed in the posts they construct, not in the amount of points on their name. I just do not particularly think that quality of posts has a significant correlation with the amount of contribution you have to a forum (These are just discussions and as humans we discuss things everyday whether it be in RL or online). And really, you said it yourself, it's something for you to show off to other people. What are we showing off? What does something like the rep system even evaluate? How many people agree with you to enough to give you bars? That you're sig/avvie maker? Being appreciated is better facilitated by simply getting involved in forum conversations. I am never that gratified when someone gives me a green rep, but I do like it when people come out in the forum or even just in PM/VM to express agreement or support of what I am saying.
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2012-12-15, 19:34 | Link #44 | |
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2012-12-15, 19:43 | Link #45 | |
別にいいけど
Join Date: Jul 2007
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I don't know precisely how you get that many bars, but clearly if you have them you are popular among other groups of people or more influential people. But that doesn't mean that just because you happen to have your supporters, anyone else definitely have them. That being said if someone is absolutely unlikable and has a huge reputation, that's yet another sympton that something isn't right, probably some circlejerking is involved. Sure there are people that can defeat the system, but again that doesn't mean it's the norm.
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2012-12-15, 19:43 | Link #46 | |
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Just wanted to make one small comment:
Somehow this made me laugh a lot. I always get the impression that a lot of people would rather tell their elders that they're full of crap and doing it wrong. I find the "recognizing veteran posters" argument interesting... but I don't really have a firm opinion about it yet beyond that. Quote:
Maybe I've just become a bit jaded by some of the "factionism" I've seen over the years. Honestly, the way some people used rep (to basically circle jerk their friends who stood for repetitive cyclic talking points) left me pretty disheartened. But I guess that's not the fault of the system, it's just part of human nature.
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2012-12-15, 19:47 | Link #47 |
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Frankly, what I do these days when someone posts something that raises my eyebrows is I check their post history (easy enough to do). Looking at their last 20 posts or so will often give a very good indication of what kind of person is posting.
I'm also leery of whom I confirm as "friend" though I count a few people in the friend list with whom I fervently disagree with. Maybe "someone I respect what they say" is a better label for that but that's what I use it for.
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2012-12-15, 20:10 | Link #48 |
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Hmm, seems I'll no longer be able to reach my long-term goal of "glorious beacon of light"
Since the decision is final, I'm not going to say anything about reconsidering/agreeing etc. As a part of the overall forum experience, it shall be missed - though it's not really that big of a deal for me. I'll just suggest that if ever this kind of system is revived someday, it might be good to also know which user gave you the rep to help negate the stated problem of "anonymous coward reps" and also so that the person giving the rep no longer needs to sign it with his/her username. While it reveals who the pos/neg repper is, back and forth rep wars will also be prevented/hindered if some sort of consecutive rep restriction remains like the one with the current system. Though I've never experienced it before, I've also come to realize that the current anonymous rep system could also be abused if the neg repper signed it with somebody else's username. Inciting other forum members against each other, now that could be a problem.
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2012-12-15, 20:18 | Link #50 | |
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2012-12-15, 20:20 | Link #51 | |
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2012-12-15, 20:27 | Link #57 |
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Join Date: Dec 2007
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I don't go as far as checking someone post history but, I always based my opinion of someone's posts, never of his reputations. After all reputation isn't always given for what we say. I am pretty sure than more than half the reputation I received since I am here where from less than 10 posts, all signatures-making related, thoses don't relate to what I say but are counted like there's no difference.
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2012-12-15, 20:27 | Link #58 | |
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This is exactly why we deactivated it first before announcing...
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