Nanoha FanFiction Discussion

[DezoPenguin]

Oh, that would be interesting! Since Ein's memories are all about driving her to become stronger to protect what she failed to protect, and if Olivie is actually Olivie then she didn't need that protection in the first place (or alternately, that Klaus succeeded in saving her from whatever it was that she needed saving from), that whole burden that she carries...that, indeed, her entire family has carried since Ancient Belkan days...is reduced to a wrong-headed footnote!

Still can't wait to see Vivio meet Olivie...

[Tiresias]

Originally Posted by Yasanagi

Spoiler for Kaiser Mom 10:

‘Power level has dropped back to 1.5 million points…’

If a stranger were to look at Yuuno Scrya right now, they would assume that all of his concentration was being used to maintain the barrier while the trial went on below. However, only a portion of his mind was staying focused on the barrier while the rest of his mental capacity was aimed at analyzing the data feedback.

‘Her power spikes only when she goes on the attack. She’s got good control over her body processes to maximize energy usage and efficiency.’ He paused for a moment. ‘Or perhaps it’s her device that’s doing that for her?’

It was just another question to add to the list. Honestly, there were way too many mysteries that surrounded this woman. Until he got a few things cleared up and a proper blood test to confirm her genetic identity, it was going to be difficult to answer the one question that burned on his mind… that probably burned on everyone’s mind.

Was this woman the genuine Sankt Kaiser? Is she truly Olivie Segbrecht?

The immediate answer that would pop up in anyone’s mind is a definite no. She was reported to have died during the end of the Unification Wars almost a century ago. So the most likely explanation, based on the fact that she’s dead, was that she’s one of the earlier clones born out of Project F. Given that the experiment had spanned for decades, it was the only explanation that made sense to allow her to grow up to this age naturally, master her abilities and her device, an actual authentic and unusual one from the time of Belka. But there was a problem with that theory.

When the Unification War ended, the Church’s predecessor took possession of Olivie’s personal items that survived the last climactic battle that claimed the Hegemon’s home and most of his world. They had intended to look after the trinkets for safe keeping but somehow, those trinkets ended up playing a key part in forming the Church.

The essays that dictated how she perceived life and acceptable behaviour had served as their scriptures. An old garment with a sample of her blood served as a revered holy artifact until it was stolen in 0065. If one wanted to get a genetic sample of the last Kaiser, getting that shroud would be the only way to do it aside from looking through the Saint’s Cradle itself (which would be a long and tedious task). When the Cradle had been destroyed in September of 0075 that meant that no more clones of the Kaiser’s bloodline can be created as Vivio was safe in the care of the Bureau and the Church.

So the clone theory had a few holes. He accepted that and filed that away for further study while considering a new theory, based on the fact that she somehow survived the end of the War.

The last known witness to her whereabouts was Ingvalt if the memoirs were correct. He had tried to stop her from sacrificing herself to end the Cradle’s rampage across worlds. Apparently, someone else had managed to put an end to things while something happened to Olivie that allowed her to live in this time, only a few years older than her last recorded appearance.

‘Perhaps she had fought a battle and ended up in some sort of temporal suspension as a side effect of the magic used by her enemies?’ It seemed a very plausible explanation although he would have thought that she would have been stuck on Shutra and lost forever in her frozen state.

“Hi, Yuuno-kun!”

“Hi, Nanoha,” replied the Librarian automatically before going back to his theorizing and shielding tasks. ‘Did someone move her frozen body to Vaizen where she eventually became free, found that orphan boy and became his guar-’

Time out for a second. Stop with the theorizing and direct your sight towards your love interest/childhood friend who’s pressing her face against the observation window.

Yuuno’s subconscious finally got him out of his deep academic state of mind and back to reality. “Nanoha, what are you doing here?”

“Heard about this combat test going on from Subaru and Touma-kun and we all came here together to observe!” She hummed in delight as she felt the light vibrations on her skin from the glass. “They must be giving it maximum effort in there and having a lot of fun!”

‘Hayate, when was she allowed in? And are you sure this is something she should know about immediately? She’s going to want answers that we can’t give right now!’

‘I know that,’ was the tired telepathic answer that came from the Lieutenant Colonel. ‘But considering who’s really in there and how gossip can spread like wildfire on the base, I figure it’s best to get her in the loop now.’

‘I guess you have a point…’ He could only imagine what kind of insanity could have come up all due to misunderstandings on Nanoha’s part.

Speaking of Nanoha, she turned around to face Hayate. “So where is this person who’s fighting Signum? And can I get next fight afterwards?”

“You’re gonna get your butt kicked. Nothing personal though,” said Touma.

“Touma, don’t say stuff like that!” Subaru laughed nervously as all other eyes turned towards him for a moment.

Nanoha’s smile still remined on her face. “Well, I won’t lose easily! I have a few tricks up my sleeve too. Now, can I get a turn in later?”

“O-oi! Just what are you thinking, you dummy?!” exclaimed Vita.

“Ah, I see. You saw that fighter first so you want dibs. Am I right, Vita-chan?”

The Knight of the Iron Hammer just twitched at the other woman’s behaviour. “Good grief, you’re such a kid! Stop getting the wrong idea!”

“Nyahaha…” The vibrations on the glass stopped as the combatants down below broke apart after their latest clash. It also allowed for Nanoha to get a good look at who was facing Signum while there was a lull in the fighting.

The Knight herself was on the left side, the shoulder sections of her outer Knight’s clothing rather tattered. She was breathing a bit harder than usual, most likely due to just how strong her opponent was.

And on the right… was a blue clad woman in an armour set and blue garments. The blue fabric was singed, probably a result of this warrior blocking Signum’s flames earlier. She took her time in catching her breath as well while her mismatched eyes kept focused on the enemy ahead.

Those mismatched eyes that were very familiar to Nanoha by now and she felt herself go pale. “That’s…!”

“Before you jump to any conclusions Nanoha-san, please make sure you understand this key fact,” said Carim calmly. “That is not your daughter down there. Otto had contacted me earlier, confirming that she has picked up your child and is on her way here.”

“Then what…?”

Hayate struggled for a quick explanation of the woman’s identity. “If anything, I guess we can call her Vivio’s biological mom?”

Nanoha just stared. “… …”

“It is technically true,” said Yuuno to break the awkward silence. “Honestly, with the feedback of combat data I’ve been getting, it feels like the theory of her being the original Olivie Segbrecht is gaining a bit more weight. Speed, reaction time, attack pattern strategy… all that could only be developed through many years of training.”

While that sank into the heads of the others, Touma voiced a different question. “Wait a sec… now I have a sister too?”

“If you’re the son of Her Majesty, then I guess she would count as your sister.” Carim paused for a moment. “Or would she be like an Aunt?”

“Huh?”

“It’s… complicated. But we’ll explain everything to you and your mother once Vivio gets here,” promised the Saint Church Director. Hopefully by the time they were ready for that conversation, she could figure out just where those three stood in the Belkan Royal Family Hierarchy and explain things accordingly.

Based on how Fate perceive Alicia, shouldn't the 'verse follow the "clones are your siblings" line of thought instead of "clones are your children"?

[Fuyu no Sora]

Originally Posted by Yasanagi

Spoiler for Kaiser Mom 10:

‘Power level has dropped back to 1.5 million points…’

If a stranger were to look at Yuuno Scrya right now, they would assume that all of his concentration was being used to maintain the barrier while the trial went on below. However, only a portion of his mind was staying focused on the barrier while the rest of his mental capacity was aimed at analyzing the data feedback.

‘Her power spikes only when she goes on the attack. She’s got good control over her body processes to maximize energy usage and efficiency.’ He paused for a moment. ‘Or perhaps it’s her device that’s doing that for her?’

It was just another question to add to the list. Honestly, there were way too many mysteries that surrounded this woman. Until he got a few things cleared up and a proper blood test to confirm her genetic identity, it was going to be difficult to answer the one question that burned on his mind… that probably burned on everyone’s mind.

Was this woman the genuine Sankt Kaiser? Is she truly Olivie Segbrecht?

The immediate answer that would pop up in anyone’s mind is a definite no. She was reported to have died during the end of the Unification Wars almost a century ago. So the most likely explanation, based on the fact that she’s dead, was that she’s one of the earlier clones born out of Project F. Given that the experiment had spanned for decades, it was the only explanation that made sense to allow her to grow up to this age naturally, master her abilities and her device, an actual authentic and unusual one from the time of Belka. But there was a problem with that theory.

When the Unification War ended, the Church’s predecessor took possession of Olivie’s personal items that survived the last climactic battle that claimed the Hegemon’s home and most of his world. They had intended to look after the trinkets for safe keeping but somehow, those trinkets ended up playing a key part in forming the Church.

The essays that dictated how she perceived life and acceptable behaviour had served as their scriptures. An old garment with a sample of her blood served as a revered holy artifact until it was stolen in 0065. If one wanted to get a genetic sample of the last Kaiser, getting that shroud would be the only way to do it aside from looking through the Saint’s Cradle itself (which would be a long and tedious task). When the Cradle had been destroyed in September of 0075 that meant that no more clones of the Kaiser’s bloodline can be created as Vivio was safe in the care of the Bureau and the Church.

So the clone theory had a few holes. He accepted that and filed that away for further study while considering a new theory, based on the fact that she somehow survived the end of the War.

The last known witness to her whereabouts was Ingvalt if the memoirs were correct. He had tried to stop her from sacrificing herself to end the Cradle’s rampage across worlds. Apparently, someone else had managed to put an end to things while something happened to Olivie that allowed her to live in this time, only a few years older than her last recorded appearance.

‘Perhaps she had fought a battle and ended up in some sort of temporal suspension as a side effect of the magic used by her enemies?’ It seemed a very plausible explanation although he would have thought that she would have been stuck on Shutra and lost forever in her frozen state.

“Hi, Yuuno-kun!”

“Hi, Nanoha,” replied the Librarian automatically before going back to his theorizing and shielding tasks. ‘Did someone move her frozen body to Vaizen where she eventually became free, found that orphan boy and became his guar-’

Time out for a second. Stop with the theorizing and direct your sight towards your love interest/childhood friend who’s pressing her face against the observation window.

Yuuno’s subconscious finally got him out of his deep academic state of mind and back to reality. “Nanoha, what are you doing here?”

“Heard about this combat test going on from Subaru and Touma-kun and we all came here together to observe!” She hummed in delight as she felt the light vibrations on her skin from the glass. “They must be giving it maximum effort in there and having a lot of fun!”

‘Hayate, when was she allowed in? And are you sure this is something she should know about immediately? She’s going to want answers that we can’t give right now!’

‘I know that,’ was the tired telepathic answer that came from the Lieutenant Colonel. ‘But considering who’s really in there and how gossip can spread like wildfire on the base, I figure it’s best to get her in the loop now.’

‘I guess you have a point…’ He could only imagine what kind of insanity could have come up all due to misunderstandings on Nanoha’s part.

Speaking of Nanoha, she turned around to face Hayate. “So where is this person who’s fighting Signum? And can I get next fight afterwards?”

“You’re gonna get your butt kicked. Nothing personal though,” said Touma.

“Touma, don’t say stuff like that!” Subaru laughed nervously as all other eyes turned towards him for a moment.

Nanoha’s smile still remined on her face. “Well, I won’t lose easily! I have a few tricks up my sleeve too. Now, can I get a turn in later?”

“O-oi! Just what are you thinking, you dummy?!” exclaimed Vita.

“Ah, I see. You saw that fighter first so you want dibs. Am I right, Vita-chan?”

The Knight of the Iron Hammer just twitched at the other woman’s behaviour. “Good grief, you’re such a kid! Stop getting the wrong idea!”

“Nyahaha…” The vibrations on the glass stopped as the combatants down below broke apart after their latest clash. It also allowed for Nanoha to get a good look at who was facing Signum while there was a lull in the fighting.

The Knight herself was on the left side, the shoulder sections of her outer Knight’s clothing rather tattered. She was breathing a bit harder than usual, most likely due to just how strong her opponent was.

And on the right… was a blue clad woman in an armour set and blue garments. The blue fabric was singed, probably a result of this warrior blocking Signum’s flames earlier. She took her time in catching her breath as well while her mismatched eyes kept focused on the enemy ahead.

Those mismatched eyes that were very familiar to Nanoha by now and she felt herself go pale. “That’s…!”

“Before you jump to any conclusions Nanoha-san, please make sure you understand this key fact,” said Carim calmly. “That is not your daughter down there. Otto had contacted me earlier, confirming that she has picked up your child and is on her way here.”

“Then what…?”

Hayate struggled for a quick explanation of the woman’s identity. “If anything, I guess we can call her Vivio’s biological mom?”

Nanoha just stared. “… …”

“It is technically true,” said Yuuno to break the awkward silence. “Honestly, with the feedback of combat data I’ve been getting, it feels like the theory of her being the original Olivie Segbrecht is gaining a bit more weight. Speed, reaction time, attack pattern strategy… all that could only be developed through many years of training.”

While that sank into the heads of the others, Touma voiced a different question. “Wait a sec… now I have a sister too?”

“If you’re the son of Her Majesty, then I guess she would count as your sister.” Carim paused for a moment. “Or would she be like an Aunt?”

“Huh?”

“It’s… complicated. But we’ll explain everything to you and your mother once Vivio gets here,” promised the Saint Church Director. Hopefully by the time they were ready for that conversation, she could figure out just where those three stood in the Belkan Royal Family Hierarchy and explain things accordingly.

Seeing that "Kaiser" is the German word for "Emperor" shouldn't it be the "Belkan Imperial Family Hierarchy" rather than the "Royal" family? I know the fandom has been calling the Sankt Kaiser the Saint King for a very long time, but an Emperor is a step up from King.

[Tiresias]

I've been wondering about that too (that's why I prefer the term Sankt Kaiser). Maybe Good Kingdom/Republic, Evil Empire is at effect?

[DezoPenguin]

Originally Posted by Tiresias

Based on how Fate perceive Alicia, shouldn't the 'verse follow the "clones are your siblings" line of thought instead of "clones are your children"?

Good point, which ties in better with the "Aunt" comment near the end.

[spawnofthejudge]

Originally Posted by Shigan

So... what is this noodle incident I've been hearing about?

An event left to the reader/audience's imagination.

[Yasanagi]

Originally Posted by SilentOutlaw

I completely forgot about Einhart. Where is Kaiser Mom in the timeline?

I set the date as April 0077, about two years before ViVid and one year before Sound Stage X.

Edit: I also changed the word Royal Family to Imperial Family in my master draft although I'm not sure ultimately which term I should go with since they could have different meanings.

Also, there have been instances of clones being taken in as children like Ginga and Subaru being robotic clones of Quint.

[Eagle8819]

I need some thoughts (unrelated to current discussions).

Or opinions, I suppose, but I digress. What do you guys perceive to be the interaction dynamics between Fate and Yuuno? As childhood friends in general, and more or less just good and great friends in the later years.

Getting them to talk has proved to be a challenge, and finding a topic aside from Nanoha, jewel seeds and cases even more so.

[Moczo]

Originally Posted by Eagle8819

I need some thoughts (unrelated to current discussions).

Or opinions, I suppose, but I digress. What do you guys perceive to be the interaction dynamics between Fate and Yuuno? As childhood friends in general, and more or less just good and great friends in the later years.

Getting them to talk has proved to be a challenge, and finding a topic aside from Nanoha, jewel seeds and cases even more so.

It's hard to say, since honestly... Yuuno did not interact with Fate much. Even when they were in the same scene they almost never spoke. I never got the impression they were super-good friends, and thus work might very well be their main conversation topic.

On the other hand, they're both Mid natives. You can make up Midchildan music, books, artists. Things that two quiet intellectuals from an alien world would bond over that Nanoha might not know about.

[Tiresias]

Originally Posted by Yasanagi

Also, there have been instances of clones being taken in as children like Ginga and Subaru being robotic clones of Quint.

CMIIW, but I thought Quint adopted them without knowing they're her clone (they look alike, but that's it) and the revelation came afterward(while Quint is still alive IIRC, but after they've already been adopted)?

[sniperk]

Originally Posted by Tiresias

CMIIW, but I thought Quint adopted them without knowing they're her clone (they look alike, but that's it) and the revelation came afterward?

Actually, I don't remember that being said directly to Subaru and Ginga anywhere. I think this was infered by Zest somewhere, but not exactly set in stone as the truth.

@Eagle8819

I think the dynamics between the two depend a lot on what you want to write. I can be a lot of subtext, since both are the quiet, shy type, but it can also be that they talk a lot since they are childhood friends.

I believe Yuuno's personality to be the most malleable between the two, since he was demoted to extra by StrikerS, and the 'personality' we know from him is from when he was nine. Fate's personallity is more set, but there's still room for change, so all you really need to do is create the situation that would lead them to talk.

[Tiresias]

Found it. Episode 23 of StrikerS, Subaru's flashback. Quint had already adopted them as her children before Mariel Atenza ran some tests and concluded that they have the same genetic structure.

Besides, isn't a person with very similar genetic structure to you what you would call a twin?

[00-Raiser]

Originally Posted by Eagle8819

I need some thoughts (unrelated to current discussions).

Or opinions, I suppose, but I digress. What do you guys perceive to be the interaction dynamics between Fate and Yuuno? As childhood friends in general, and more or less just good and great friends in the later years.

Getting them to talk has proved to be a challenge, and finding a topic aside from Nanoha, jewel seeds and cases even more so.

Well, take a look at StrikerS episode 8. Even when you don't hear their conversation they are clearly enjoying themselves. Afterwards they do switch to talking about the Jewel Seeds, but Fate talks about how nostalgic it is.

Then you got the movie 1st sound stage where she talks about him to Erio and Caro. At that point Erio and Caro are familiar enough with him to see an old picture and go "Oh, he didn't wear glasses back then." Their first time seeing him was in StrikerS ep 8.

Also in that we have Fate saying that both she and Nanoha picked out his glasses for him.

So yeah, I always have them as being good childhood friends who are fairly close and enjoy each other's company. In his position she certainly would consult him on cases, and considering how workaholic they all are, wouldn't surprise me if a lot of their conversations were work related.

[sniperk]

Originally Posted by Tiresias

Found it. Episode 23 of StrikerS, Subaru's flashback. Quint had already adopted them as her children before Mariel Atenza ran some tests and concluded that they have the same genetic structure.

Besides, isn't a person with very similar genetic structure to you what you would call a twin?

I stand corrected. ^^ But still, the way Quint is portrayed, maybe she didn't tell Subaru and Ginga about it.

Well, identical twins are considered a natural clone of each other, but fraternal twins aren't.

Geh, this's starting to sound like a biology class. (brrr...)

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by sniperk

I stand corrected. ^^ But still, the way Quint is portrayed, maybe she didn't tell Subaru and Ginga about it.

Well, identical twins are considered a natural clone of each other, but fraternal twins aren't.

Geh, this's starting to sound like a biology class. (brrr...)

Subaru and Ginga know about it. Back in ViVid, Subaru commented about Nove teaching Einhart the Unchain Knuckle, which was one of "their mother's" moves, implying they knew that Nove was biologically related to them, which in turn implies Subaru and Ginga know that they are essentially cyborg clones of their adoptive mother.

[NTFTH]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Subaru and Ginga know about it. Back in ViVid, Subaru commented about Nove teaching Einhart the Unchain Knuckle, which was one of "their mother's" moves, implying they knew that Nove was biologically related to them, which in turn implies Subaru and Ginga know that they are essentially cyborg clones of their adoptive mother.

Before that Dieci comments about how when Nove's being pushy(or something like that) you can really tell she's Subaru's sister

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by NTFTH

Before that Dieci comments about how when Nove's being pushy(or something like that) you can really tell she's Subaru's sister

Not sure that's the best example. There's remarks about how you can tell that Vivio is definitely Nanoha's daughter, yet everyone knows that they're not related. Dieci's remark is likely of the same connotations.

[Tiresias]

Originally Posted by sniperk

Well, identical twins are considered a natural clone of each other, but fraternal twins aren't.

And a daughter has the genes of her mother and father. For Vivio to be called a daughter, she must be made from the combination of OliviaX(???). But since she's the same as Olivia, Vivio is more Olivia's FatherXOlivia's Mother

I just found it extremely odd how when confronted with the idea that they are very genetically the same, the first conclusion that came into mind was parent-child instead of siblings

[RadiantBeam]

Originally Posted by Tiresias

And a daughter has the genes of her mother and father. For Vivio to be called a daughter, she must be made from the combination of OliviaX(???). But since she's the same as Olivia, Vivio is more Olivia's FatherXOlivia's Mother

This is all starting to wander a bit into genetics vs. nurture.

[Rising Dragon]

I imagine that the jumped-to conclusion of parent/offspring is likely due to the vast gulf in biological age--Fate and Alicia, differing births aside, look similar in age, at the very least. Olivie and Vivio here, not so much.