2010-07-08, 18:11 | Link #13461 | |
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Frankly if you argued Jessica's corpse was Kanon's dressed up as Jessica I'd beleive you have a reason to think she could be the culprit since he took that corpse's pulse, but otherwise no she's dead.
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2010-07-08, 18:17 | Link #13462 | |
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And what I meant is that Battler had never seen a corpse before that day. He doesn't actually know how to tell if someone is dead. ...Did he actually take the corpse's pulse? All he says is that he "made sure it was dead". We're never told how he did that. |
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2010-07-08, 18:21 | Link #13463 |
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I'm pretty sure he says that he's never taken a pulse before, but that he was certain that Jessica was dead when he checked. I think Beato was just giving him a hint on how he could argue a human culprit in that scene. She doesn't really think it's Jessica.
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2010-07-08, 18:24 | Link #13464 | |
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I dunno, I just stuck on it because it's a comparatively easy way to explain Ep2 compared to George murdering two people and then suiciding inside a locked room. |
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2010-07-08, 18:32 | Link #13465 | |
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Or possibly, Gohda was still alive, when a murderer entered the room, killed him, staked them all and then locked the room. Possibilites exist. |
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2010-07-08, 18:42 | Link #13466 |
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The stomach isn't even a lethal spot. There is no red declaration and Battler never checked George or Gohda. He only checked Shannon. George could simply be faking after he got in a struggle with Gohda and Shannon.
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2010-07-08, 18:44 | Link #13467 |
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If none of the three people in the room had the stakes, then there was no way the room could have been locked upon discovery to begin with. The only keys that could lock the door were either inside the room or under the control of 'Rosa'.
If one of the three in the room DOES have the stakes, it has to be George, as he's the only one who could have killed himself. George or Rosa are the only culprit options, basically. Well, if I'm going to support Jessica being alive with a stake in her back, I'm going to have to admit this. |
2010-07-08, 19:01 | Link #13468 |
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The detective can be fooled, or can do things incorrectly. The only thing the detective will not do is lie to us. So, looking into a hole in someone's head is hard to debate. However, screwing up on taking a pulse is debatable.
That being said, I recall Battler not checking the corpses of about 10 of the characters.
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2010-07-08, 19:01 | Link #13469 | |
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Not to mention the scene in Kinzo's study, where Eva takes out the receipt, Natsuhi asks what it is, and suddenly Hideyoshi takes over the reigns, explains in detail what was done with that receipt and what it proves, etc. It's like it was actually him who put it there, not Eva.
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2010-07-08, 19:03 | Link #13470 | |
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In Ep5, everyone in the family is trying to bully Natsuhi. |
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2010-07-08, 19:07 | Link #13471 | |
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Hideyoshi does a few things that are questionable. For instance, his testimony in the metaworld of episode 3. But who doesn't? We have Nanjo and Moon-chan who are both at least as suspicious as Hideyoshi. All of the servants demand suspicion, too.
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2010-07-08, 19:07 | Link #13472 | |
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2010-07-08, 19:09 | Link #13473 | |
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2010-07-08, 19:34 | Link #13474 | |
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Battler, Rudolf and Jessica all use Ore at least once so they could be on the second phone call. Unless you take Battler is not an accomplice as something that applies to all games. I can't remember if the first caller used Watashi or Boku, but if it's Boku Kanon and George could also be involved. George or Jessica might want to get their hands on Natsuhi's diaries. And George may have memories of reading them from Episode 2's kakera. Actually using that theory we can include Shannon as a bully too. Rosa and Maria I'm not sure why exactly they'd be involved in a prank like that, but their in the FT so let's assume they were just playing along. Genji on the other hand I can't see an immediate reason for. He could always not connect the phone so he doesn't have to be involved. So the people who wouldn't be in on it or are otherwise ignorant of the plot is very short.
Kumasawa is a possibility, but I just have no idea where she is at the time. I've been kind of thinking she might have drugged Krauss and dragged him off somewhere. EDIT: Actually if you think about it only one person really has to be involved in the phone call so Jessica and George being in the FFT could just be a coincidence. If the second and first caller are both Battler or Rudolf and they're unrelated to the fake death plot (and the "Ore" was a slip) then everyone in FFT are completely innocent in the "bully Natsuhi plot". In that case we just have to figure out why Rudolf or Battler would prank call Natsuhi.
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2010-07-08, 20:14 | Link #13475 | ||
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What the family is trying to do is get Natsuhi into a situation where she will have to confess to concealing the death of Kinzo. After she does so, presumably the plan was for the FT victims (and poor kidnapped Krauss) to show up perfectly unharmed and go 'FOOLED YA!' This goes horribly wrong when Hideyoshi (and presumably the other six) are found actually murdered. Someone (who I suspect to be both the caller AND one of the FT victims) has taken advantage of the situation to get their own revenge on Natsuhi. Quote:
Given that Natsuhi identifies the caller as sounding 'like a woman or a young boy' George is basically out, leaving us with only Kanon or Jessica. |
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2010-07-08, 20:24 | Link #13476 | |
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So if we beleive Battler's reasoning about himself being the caller I guess the first caller can only either be Battler Jessica or Rudolf. Probably Rudolf since it's the outside line and I don't want to blame Battler.
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2010-07-08, 20:32 | Link #13477 | |
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Is it too far-fetched to consider him on the "bullying" scheme? |
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2010-07-08, 20:34 | Link #13478 | |
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Maybe I should ask Oliver about how the phones would work in this situation. There might be a difference in how you connect to the inside an outside line and Natsuhi might be able to tell the difference.
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2010-07-08, 20:48 | Link #13479 | |
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As for why, I don't know. Genji might just be doing it on orders. After all, Battler's now the head of the family. It's not like Genji can disobey him. |
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2010-07-08, 20:48 | Link #13480 | |
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All in all, episode 5 shows many suspicious things concerning Hideyoshi.
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