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Old 2015-08-30, 16:03   Link #21
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Nobody is "just" anything. Or everybody is just themselves. There are depths that have been hinted at for every one of these characters.

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Saying 'there are Elves in this world, but we won't tell you much about them until the goth-loli has molested Itami' is pretty much saying that the distinctive communities of this world don't matter.
This interpretation is baffling. Those things have nothing whatsoever to do with each other. They haven't explored the details of the Elven communities because it simply isn't time to explore them yet.
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Your dismissal of Rory because of her sexual behavior displays an ingrained cultural prudishness on your part. It might surprise you to learn that not all cultures, both in the modern world, and throughout history, have upheld that view of sex. And Rory, as a being who has not only outlived the rise and fall of entire cultures, but who very distinctly exists outside of cultural mores and limitations of behavior, is not bound by our preconceptions on when and how people should engage in sexual activity. That does not make her a "slut;" assuming she would care if you tried calling her one (I doubt the term would make much sense to her even if you tried to explain it). It is simply a part of who she is: a level of maturity and decisiveness in her dealings with someone she is interested in that the other girls do not display. It is simply one more facet of her character, and simply because it is happening now does not mean that the author thinks that everything that comes after this point in the story is somehow "less important" than it. That idea is ridiculous. Events in a story happen when they are meant to happen; when it makes sense for them to happen. This isn't a newspaper: the events on the front page are not the most significant events going on, nor are the events on the last page the least.
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Old 2015-08-30, 18:13   Link #22
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]Your dismissal of Rory because of her sexual behavior displays an ingrained cultural prudishness on your part. It might surprise you to learn that not all cultures, both in the modern world, and throughout history, have upheld that view of sex. And Rory, as a being who has not only outlived the rise and fall of entire cultures, but who very distinctly exists outside of cultural mores and limitations of behavior, is not bound by our preconceptions on when and how people should engage in sexual activity. That does not make her a "slut;" assuming she would care if you tried calling her one (I doubt the term would make much sense to her even if you tried to explain it). It is simply a part of who she is: a level of maturity and decisiveness in her dealings with someone she is interested in that the other girls do not display. It is simply one more facet of her character, and simply because it is happening now does not mean that the author thinks that everything that comes after this point in the story is somehow "less important" than it. That idea is ridiculous. Events in a story happen when they are meant to happen; when it makes sense for them to happen. This isn't a newspaper: the events on the front page are not the most significant events going on, nor are the events on the last page the least.
I agree with you on that one. That and perhaps he's not happy that Rory isn't falling into the typical tsundere/yandere roll.

Spoiler for something that happens later on in the manga:


She's been around more then long enough that she knows how she feels and isn't afraid to share it. This also means she isn't really worried about her appearance either. I'm sure she sorted out personal image issues like that hundreds of years ago. One of the perks of being immortal is that you have all the time in the world to sort out your personal problems.

Besides, we all know how her job works. If people are dying in battle nearby, the souls go through her body to Emroy. Episode 6 explains pretty well what happens if she isn't able to go out into battle. It creates a lot of sexual tension for her. Why demean her character for wanting release this on Itami? She has a legitimate interest in him too. It's not like she is constantly going around mating with every male she meets. (as could be what the term "slut" could apply to).

Spoiler for Hints from manga:


Rory is a bit of a deviant, but it's not that simple. She's been around 961 years. That will obviously result in a ...unique personality.

My only concern is the anime might go off the rails a bit in the adaptation and make mistakes with Rory. One example, in the most recent episode it cut out the reason she suddenly became interested in that dress in that shopping scene. In the manga, Risa immediately said after Rory mentioned not being interested in going out shopping that she knows of a store for black goth clothes. That perked her interest. But the anime completely cut it out and just jump cuts to her staring at the dress. I just hope the anime doesn't introduce bigger inconsistencies with her personality relative to the manga/LN as thus far it's been changes I'm fine with (the censorship was a bit disappointing, but it's not distracting from my enjoyment of the series thus far). They already changed her character design and that I can live with since I didn't see her manga design until after I saw 4+ episodes. But they better not ***k up her personality or I'm going to have some problems.

I wonder what she was like before she became an apostle. But perhaps that's a discussion best had in the Rory thread.

As for Tuka....Her character has been ... meh. Even Lelei has been a little interesting for me. (her calm demeanor and logical side) But even though I've read the manga Tuka still doesn't really interest me. I guess she's just not my type.
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Old 2015-08-30, 18:45   Link #23
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Nobody is "just" anything. Or everybody is just themselves. There are depths that have been hinted at for every one of these characters.

This interpretation is baffling. Those things have nothing whatsoever to do with each other. They haven't explored the details of the Elven communities because it simply isn't time to explore them yet.
Spoiler:
Your dismissal of Rory because of her sexual behavior displays an ingrained cultural prudishness on your part. It might surprise you to learn that not all cultures, both in the modern world, and throughout history, have upheld that view of sex. And Rory, as a being who has not only outlived the rise and fall of entire cultures, but who very distinctly exists outside of cultural mores and limitations of behavior, is not bound by our preconceptions on when and how people should engage in sexual activity. That does not make her a "slut;" assuming she would care if you tried calling her one (I doubt the term would make much sense to her even if you tried to explain it). It is simply a part of who she is: a level of maturity and decisiveness in her dealings with someone she is interested in that the other girls do not display. It is simply one more facet of her character, and simply because it is happening now does not mean that the author thinks that everything that comes after this point in the story is somehow "less important" than it. That idea is ridiculous. Events in a story happen when they are meant to happen; when it makes sense for them to happen. This isn't a newspaper: the events on the front page are not the most significant events going on, nor are the events on the last page the least.
It's tricky to grab attention and build a detailed world at once but by its nature, I feel scene setting should be early as possible. As they did with background for Pina and somewhat for Leilei's village. I just felt Tuka got neglected, and that if something less useful to the story could be cut to admit her background it might be the fanservice.

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By Rory is...just Rory I meant it was unnecessary to explain why I called her a seducer. I'll comment further on Rory in her thread.

Back on Tuka, I can see why she got a suit for the Diet meeting; she's quite statuesque, so it rather suits her.

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Old 2015-08-31, 12:03   Link #24
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Or you could wait patiently. Preferably without insulting the characters who don't happen to be your favorite just because you feel that your favorite isn't getting enough focus.
You have to admit that it's bad writing. Or at least unusual.

Usually:
1) Introduce new side character
2) Some kind of event with this character
3) Either more events with this character or the character goes away for awhile

Usually you wouldn't introduce a character and then not do events with them. I think the story suffers for it too. It would be better to introduce Tuka later in the story when it's time for some of her events.
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Old 2015-08-31, 17:30   Link #25
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You have to admit that it's bad writing. Or at least unusual.

Usually:
1) Introduce new side character
2) Some kind of event with this character
3) Either more events with this character or the character goes away for awhile

Usually you wouldn't introduce a character and then not do events with them. I think the story suffers for it too. It would be better to introduce Tuka later in the story when it's time for some of her events.
Tuka has already played a part in the story, and continues to do so. It has merely not focused on her. That is not bad writing. In fact I would argue that focusing on every character you introduce immediately to the exclusion of everything else would actually be bad writing. Tuka is quietly and subtely showing her character in ways that will pay off over time. These are ways that require time to be effective: if she'd simply showed up and we'd jumped right into everything with her it would have come off as contrived, and not particularly effective in reaching people's emotions.
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Old 2015-08-31, 21:13   Link #26
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Tuka has already played a part in the story, and continues to do so. It has merely not focused on her. That is not bad writing. In fact I would argue that focusing on every character you introduce immediately to the exclusion of everything else would actually be bad writing. Tuka is quietly and subtely showing her character in ways that will pay off over time. These are ways that require time to be effective: if she'd simply showed up and we'd jumped right into everything with her it would have come off as contrived, and not particularly effective in reaching people's emotions.
Pretty much this, and they've also planted the Seed for Tuka's arc.
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Old 2015-09-02, 09:55   Link #27
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You have to admit that it's bad writing. Or at least unusual.

Usually:
1) Introduce new side character
2) Some kind of event with this character
3) Either more events with this character or the character goes away for awhile

Usually you wouldn't introduce a character and then not do events with them. I think the story suffers for it too. It would be better to introduce Tuka later in the story when it's time for some of her events.
Your suggested layout is quite common in books aimed at younger readers. They often focus on one character at a time and then mostly neglect them while focusing on the next. This novel is aimed at bit mature audience and have several sub plots running in parallel. There are also subtle things that happen without being lamp shaded. The most significant event last episode did not involve Rory, but another girl. But I think most who haven't read spoilers around here missed it.
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Old 2015-09-05, 04:29   Link #28
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Tuka has already played a part in the story, and continues to do so. It has merely not focused on her. That is not bad writing. In fact I would argue that focusing on every character you introduce immediately to the exclusion of everything else would actually be bad writing. Tuka is quietly and subtely showing her character in ways that will pay off over time. These are ways that require time to be effective: if she'd simply showed up and we'd jumped right into everything with her it would have come off as contrived, and not particularly effective in reaching people's emotions.
The lack of background for Tuka and her village, rather than lack of focus on Tuka herself, was my primary complaint (more Tuka screentime would've been nice though).

Tuka's plotline certainly is taking a little time to set up, that's good. And completely different from Rory, whose screentime so far doesn't seem to be leading up to any deep character development. Yes, Rory's getting closer to Itami, but that's natural enough, and nothing as psychological or sympathetic as Tuka's development. That's why I prefer Tuka out of the other characters, and think Rory's introduction could have been much more happily moved back.
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Old 2015-09-14, 00:32   Link #29
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She is not a father con, or whatever her obsessive traits for her father isn't she?
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Old 2015-09-14, 03:11   Link #30
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Old 2015-09-14, 04:08   Link #31
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The lack of background for Tuka and her village, rather than lack of focus on Tuka herself, was my primary complaint (more Tuka screentime would've been nice though).

Tuka's plotline certainly is taking a little time to set up, that's good. And completely different from Rory, whose screentime so far doesn't seem to be leading up to any deep character development. Yes, Rory's getting closer to Itami, but that's natural enough, and nothing as psychological or sympathetic as Tuka's development. That's why I prefer Tuka out of the other characters, and think Rory's introduction could have been much more happily moved back.
Actually, that would be the anime cutting out the dragon assault on her village scene, int he novel and manga, it was touched upon, and the devestation was...even scarrier then the recent LOTR movie with the fire dragon, since this dragon was also eating Elves(Tuka's friend) in front of her.
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On her mental health issues...

While she seems similar enough to a human on the surface, her brain chemistry is likely rather different. More importantly her race is very long lived, which most certainly would have caused some evolutionary changes to mentality to deal with the effects of time.

All in all, a human trying to fix her, even a professional, is likely playing with fire. She needs a elven specialist, which considering the setting, will be most likely a religious figure of some kind.
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On her mental health issues...

While she seems similar enough to a human on the surface, her brain chemistry is likely rather different. More importantly her race is very long lived, which most certainly would have caused some evolutionary changes to mentality to deal with the effects of time.

All in all, a human trying to fix her, even a professional, is likely playing with fire. She needs a elven specialist, which considering the setting, will be most likely a religious figure of some kind.
Or there could be some Elven magic healing with spritis for all we know.

Since her magic system is not the same as Leilei(She summon and control spirits) while Leilei is more of the traditional mage of using mana to create "effect" with her mana.
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Actually, that would be the anime cutting out the dragon assault on her village scene, int he novel and manga, it was touched upon, and the devestation was...even scarrier then the recent LOTR movie with the fire dragon, since this dragon was also eating Elves(Tuka's friend) in front of her.
The friend getting munched was the trigger for her severe PTSD. She didn't see her dad get off'd by the dragon after dumping her down the well since she looked away at that moment, then when Itami drags her out in a semi-conscious and hypothermic state and looking similar enough to her father that her mind made that leap by itself...so she knows her dad rescued her but hasn't seen him since. That was sort of another key scene left out that really gave reason to her search.
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The friend getting munched was the trigger for her severe PTSD.
Ah that friend is actually her lover. Tuka is a lesbian turned Bi with Itami.
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Tuka might get worse if she is more wary of others worried about her condition.

But really, I thought Tuka the Blond Elf was more of a bait instead of the Goth-Rory.
It really isn't making any sense to me that Goth-Rory is the most appreciated, putting "-sama" at the end even though there were smartphone led light photo shooting towards Tuka the Blond Elf during Diet Broadcast, although it was all for her pointy ears.

I'd say Tuka has more female fans than males.
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Old 2015-09-17, 10:12   Link #37
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You have to admit that it's bad writing. Or at least unusual.

Usually:
1) Introduce new side character
2) Some kind of event with this character
3) Either more events with this character or the character goes away for awhile

Usually you wouldn't introduce a character and then not do events with them. I think the story suffers for it too. It would be better to introduce Tuka later in the story when it's time for some of her events.
Since when is there set rules ? Is there a guide book or something ?

I am just curious, because I never heard about rules like these. I am under the impression the author can write the story however he/she wants ?. Bad writing I usually associate towards inconsistencies ?
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