2018-05-13, 22:36 | Link #3001 |
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Context and details matter in each case. You can't even generalize two cases that happen in the same period, let alone generalize them all like what you did above. In this particular case, the APEs are idiots. There's no getting around it.
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2018-05-13, 22:39 | Link #3002 | |
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Going "unarmed or not enough armed" to a atempty of negotiate surrender" is not a abnormal or idiotic action since many peoples did it and it worked, they just did something "normal", what they did later was the problem.
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2018-05-13, 22:46 | Link #3003 |
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Does it even matter if those two APE council members die? Yes, the one that apparently had a biological body got scared when she started talking to him directly to his brain but they already established that they upload the adults' minds to some kind of server before they blew up the plantations. They'll probably be back with new bodies immediately anyways.
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2018-05-14, 00:48 | Link #3006 | |
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i will give you the most "close comparation 300 spartan, xerxes in the beginner send a messenger to leonidas which did the same threatned spartan and leonidas to surrender or they town will be crushed, well leonidas was much more reckless tham the princess and don't even waited the guy try to attack him and throwed the guy in the pit, send the guy was a idiotic act??? maybe but was something common to do and probably based on how leonidas was waiting for the guy he was warned in advise but it don't appear on screen. You are automatically asuming without any base which they action of send that group was totally idiot and something they where not supposed to do because "no one could had did that( something really biased).
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Sending a group to have a negotiation with an enemy is not idiotic. The lack of precaution & preparation is idiotic no matter how you slice it. They have a goddamn Strelizia and other Franxxes. They should use them to put pressure to Klax-Hime if all the APEs wanted to do was arrogantly talk shit to her and force her to surrender anyway.
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2018-05-14, 03:11 | Link #3011 |
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IMHO the essence of it was:
- APE thinks after conquering Grand Crevasse they now have the upper hand in power and the Klaxos are at the ropes. We don't know all the details of why they think so, they may be right or too arrogant; - APE thought that Klaxo-hime would be a rational agent, and therefore accept the terms of defeat when they were the least bad option she had left. They were wrong in one of those things. Either Klaxo-hime is rational, but they don't really have as much of an advantage as they think they do, or Klaxo-hime doesn't give a fuck and would rather die for her pride than admit defeat. So yeah, they probably were idiots because they didn't account for all possibilities, but mostly their mistake was being overconfident. It may play in the dichotomy between APE as the rational, emotionless side of humanity and Klaxosaurs as the more instinct driven one.
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2018-05-14, 03:39 | Link #3012 |
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^ My impression is that everyone on the APE council are somewhat detached from reality - ie they've overconfident and arrogant and are too used to things going their way. I think the Nines are similar - I dunno what the details about them are but they seem a bit too loyal for their own good can only see things from Papa's perspective. Maybe another way to put it is that they (APE + Nines) seem to believe in their own propaganda and are blind to other perspectives.
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My argument has more support from the show itself until proven otherwise in future episodes. Yours have less support so far. It's that simple. If future episodes proves me wrong, I'll happily be the first person to admit it. EDIT: I will also welcome constructive criticism. If there are things that I missed from previous episodes, feel free to point it out to me here
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2018-05-14, 09:43 | Link #3016 |
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Wonder what the girls think is happening when they menstruate, just like I wondered about what the boys thought was the reason for having wet dreams. What stories did Nana and Hachi tell them about these events? That the show skirts these issues probably makes it less of a target for censors, but the fact that the actual physical aspects of maturation are never addressed adds a sense of unreality to this aspect of the story.
So Zero Two cannot reproduce? Does she have the equipment, but it doesn't function? Certainly her "secondary sex characteristics" are pretty prominent. Why, other than fanservice, does she need breasts at all? Are Hiro and Zero Two now living together, or does he go back to his room each night? Their relationship still seems at the kissing and hugging stage. In the ED it appears that Ikuno and Ichigo are kissing, though whether its mutual is impossible to tell. Ikuno seems more adrift with each new revelation about gender and reproduction.
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2018-05-14, 10:10 | Link #3017 |
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Sensei, other than a sense of friendship with others, what do you think triggered Ikuno to slap blondie when he talks about how annoying different genders are? I mean, given her sexual orientation, you'd think she'd agree with the "one gender"-option since different genders pretty much closed her chances with Ichigo since she's a hetero.
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Another possibility is that she still thinks that this suffering is simply another side of the same coin, aka without all the "gender" stuff she wouldn't have either the suffering NOR the love - after all, Nine Alpha doesn't seem too much into romantic love either. It was another reason why the translation left me perplexed. If we interpreted the discussion as "all this love and sex stuff is a pain" then her reaction makes much more sense, as to her her feelings of attraction towards Ichigo may be important, regardless of whether she can have them be reciprocated or not.
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2018-05-14, 12:41 | Link #3020 | |
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Actually, the number that the scientists came up with was 160 people. If you looked at the pilots' situation, they were not 1:2 with caretakers either. However, they may want to suggest family planning by having the original caretakers to take of 2 or 3 kids to reinforce a policy to monitor population growth since they have few resources in the wild. Therefore, the number of kids in the original batch may depend on the number of eligible couples and who wants to attempt "natural" first. You really wouldn't want to attempt natural first if you don't have the medical facilities to handle complications. Therefore, they should rely on the artificial uteri until they have proper medical facilities. Kokoro was an idiot in a way if she does become pregnant as she won't be receiving adequate medical care during emergencies or pregnancy complications.
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