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Old 2015-10-21, 08:02   Link #10261
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That's sweet, but also a huge death flag.
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Old 2015-10-21, 08:39   Link #10262
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Old 2015-10-21, 11:23   Link #10263
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Well, at this point of the story killing more characters does more harm than good to the series.
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Old 2015-10-21, 22:27   Link #10264
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Old 2015-10-23, 07:20   Link #10265
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That's sweet, but also a huge death flag.
Lets hope so, all of the Jaegers deserve a painful death.
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Old 2015-10-23, 07:22   Link #10266
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Lets hope so, all of the Jaegers deserve a painful death.
For what? Doing the job given to them by their superior?
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Old 2015-10-23, 07:49   Link #10267
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Stylish, Seryu, Kurome and Esdeath are all psychopath serial killers who deserve their death.
Bols isn't a psychopath but a serial killer nonetheless and certainly deserved his death.
Run doesn't strike me as a regular killer and certainly not someone who kills for fun.
Wave is the least worst of them.

I'm not really into giving them all a painful death but 5/7 had it coming.
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Old 2015-10-23, 08:37   Link #10268
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Stylish, Seryu, Kurome and Esdeath are all psychopath serial killers who deserve their death.
Bols isn't a psychopath but a serial killer nonetheless and certainly deserved his death.
Run doesn't strike me as a regular killer and certainly not someone who kills for fun.
Wave is the least worst of them.

I'm not really into giving them all a painful death but 5/7 had it coming.
About Bols, think you have some problems with the definition of "serial killer". He didn't kill because he liked it, he was a soldier and killed because it's his job. What you said basically mean every soldier who obeys their higher-up's order to kill deserves to die as well.
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Old 2015-10-23, 09:39   Link #10269
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People should just stop using the "he didn't like doing what he did" argument, in the end he still did it and that's what matters. Bols isn't a soldier fighting in a war, he's a serial killer who killed hundreds or thousands of innocent people because "he was ordered to do it."
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Old 2015-10-23, 09:44   Link #10270
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People should just stop using the "he didn't like doing what he did" argument, in the end he still did it and that's what matters. Bols isn't a soldier fighting in a war, he's a serial killer who killed hundreds or thousands of innocent people because "he was ordered to do it."
This.

He doesn't really deserve any sympathy for his death. His wife and child are another matter, however. That was quite gut-wrenching moment, IIRC.

Can't wait to see if Esdeath dies in the same manner like she did in the anime.

Her holding onto Tatsumi and freezing herself with him before shattering into a million pieces was downright cheesy, IMO.
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Old 2015-10-23, 09:50   Link #10271
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People should just stop using the "he didn't like doing what he did" argument, in the end he still did it and that's what matters. Bols isn't a soldier fighting in a war, he's a serial killer who killed hundreds or thousands of innocent people because "he was ordered to do it."
Soldiers don't necessarily fight in war only. Every country has their own special forces to deal with internal problems. If the government deems some dudes enemies of the state and orders a special team to dispose them, the team either does it or has to face the military tribunal, regardless the target is innocent or not. That's just how these things work.
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Old 2015-10-23, 11:02   Link #10272
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That's just how these things work.
So? Just because someone was ordered to do something doesn't mean morals don't apply to that person. It's not like these people were forced to become soldiers or special ops. They did it on their own accord, which means they're totally responsible for their actions at all moments, even if they're under orders.
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Old 2015-10-23, 11:18   Link #10273
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So? Just because someone was ordered to do something doesn't mean morals don't apply to that person. It's not like these people were forced to become soldiers or special ops. They did it on their own accord, which means they're totally responsible for their actions at all moments, even if they're under orders.
Soldiers are "totally responsible" when executing orders given by their superior? Wow, this is very new to me and the world as well. Do you know how many Nazi senior generals and officers managed to escape war crimes court just by proving they were just executing their higher-up's orders, let alone we are talking about mere foot soldiers here? By your logic, do you think each and every Nazi soldier has to be killed as well?
And people didn't just become soldiers to kill others, the killing part is but part of their job, their original intention of joining the force is to protect their country. It's just that sometime they are given extermination order which they have to obey, there's no way for them to know if the target is innocent or not at the moment.
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Old 2015-10-23, 11:52   Link #10274
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Soldiers are "totally responsible" when executing orders given by their superior? Wow, this is very new to me and the world as well.
There's nothing new about this. Orders or not, a lot of what soldiers and special ops do, is not only immoral, but also illegal. Keeping a lot of that stuff a secret helps to prevent these people to face the consequences of their actions. But that doesn't mean they're not responsible for their actions.
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Old 2015-10-23, 14:37   Link #10275
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I would like to remind everyone here that Christmas is approaching.

Just kidding, let's hope for the best.
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Old 2015-10-23, 22:02   Link #10276
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Stylish, Seryu, Kurome and Esdeath are all psychopath serial killers who deserve their death.
Bols isn't a psychopath but a serial killer nonetheless and certainly deserved his death.
Run doesn't strike me as a regular killer and certainly not someone who kills for fun.
Wave is the least worst of them.

I'm not really into giving them all a painful death but 5/7 had it coming.
How is Bols a serial killer? Do you even know the definition of a serial killer.

If no here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer.

What Bols did is mass murdering not serial killing.
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Old 2015-10-23, 22:08   Link #10277
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^Yeah thats actually worse than a serial killer
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Old 2015-10-23, 22:56   Link #10278
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Stylish, Seryu, Kurome and Esdeath are all psychopath serial killers who deserve their death.
Bols isn't a psychopath but a serial killer nonetheless and certainly deserved his death.
Run doesn't strike me as a regular killer and certainly not someone who kills for fun.
Wave is the least worst of them.

I'm not really into giving them all a painful death but 5/7 had it coming.
This is pretty much it.

The worst offenders in the Jaegers are Esdeath, Stylish, and Seryu mainly because they partake of the mass murdering/war crimes on purpose and enjoy at the same time. As for Kurome, well, I only rate her as less worse than the others because of the drugging and experimentation done on her.

Bols is somewhat better than the previous four because he knows what he's doing is wrong and he believed he would get his judgement one day.

Now, was he responsible for his actions? Yes I believe he was, both Bols and his superiors share the blame for their crimes, saying they don't would be similar to saying Nazi soldiers ordered to kill Jews during WWII had no responsibility for their actions.


tl;dr Most of the Jaegers would be considered war criminals in real life based on their actions alone. The least worse out of them is Wave because he hasn't actually done anything wrong yet, he just so happens to be working for the wrong people.

Run is different because he didn't even join the Jaegers to fight for the Empire.
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Old 2015-10-23, 23:37   Link #10279
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Now, was he responsible for his actions? Yes I believe he was, both Bols and his superiors share the blame for their crimes, saying they don't would be similar to saying Nazi soldiers ordered to kill Jews during WWII had no responsibility for their actions.
So was each and every Nazi soldier given death sentence by the Allies?
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Old 2015-10-24, 00:44   Link #10280
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You guys are starting to go off topic
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