2010-04-21, 00:36 | Link #13761 |
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Ehem, I'd hate to spoil the party, but things on the raws scan side of life are not looking so good.
http://mangahelpers.com/news/details/360 http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59936 This forum page has to be viewed via google translate as it's all in french: Ritual Scan Forge (simplified translator url link) This is the forum attached to Raw Paradise, which no longer exists. Looks like raws are gonna be gotten via underhanded means like before from now on because the lazier Japanese readers keep nabbing the raws meant for international translation for themselves and not supporting the manga authors. Looks like we can expect delays.
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2010-04-21, 02:12 | Link #13762 |
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Didn't they know that if it wasn't for scans the western fanbase would be even smaller. Wonder if it will affect even the the Korean comics? Just read Veritas it's pretty badass.
This isn't gonna change anything, it's like the same thing as musicians asking for people to stop downloading music in converted mp3/mp4 format. >_> It will return I tell ya. THEY ALWAYS DO!
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2010-04-21, 04:27 | Link #13763 |
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I would like to make one thing clear concerning loyalty paid to the authors.
The author does not receive a nickel above the fixed amount for the magazines that are published on a weekly/bi-weekly/monthly basis. The author only receives loyalty of 90 yen(minimum) per tankobo(volume) actually sold to individual readers and all tankobo not sold are returned to publisher from the book store due to "Saihan" system giving full control of pricing of books to the publisher to maintain an oligopoly in a shady area within Japanese business practice. A famous manga author, unlike musicians who requires cooperation from various studio operators and such, can create and finish the work with his staff(which are hired and payed by the author within the present system) and would probably make more money publishing his manga digitally via Apple store of a dollar a chapter. |
2010-04-21, 05:20 | Link #13764 |
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Copy-paste myself from another thread:
I suppose people working in Suesha and RIAA, with exception of a few fanatics, are well aware that piracy is increasing their sales. Yes, piracy is increasing sales, it was already proved by scientists, and it's happening because of reasons mentioned in this thread already - piracy is the cheapest (completely free) method of advertising. So why they're "fighting with piracy"? Because of 3 reasons: they're members of corporation, they're publishers and because it's very profitable. How it could be profitable? RIAA and others companies like them are sending to people warning where they write something like: Pay us ..... $/Euros/etc. or we will sue you. Most of people are paying, those tributes, combined, is a large sum of money. RIAA is paying this money to publishers, but of course after taking their share Peoples working for corporation don't use common logic, but "corporation logic". They're not working for common goal, corporations profit etc, but they're working like "corporation ... bible" demands. Because some time ago, when Internet appeared, most of creators of corporation rules decided that piracy is bad and must be destroyed. In corporation people are not allowed to think for himself (unless it's required by corporation set of rules and only in described bounds), including most CEOs, so they're fighting with piracy. They're rewarded when they fight with piracy and punished if they don't. We also need to remember that after closing such page like raw paradise, for a short time, sales are increasing, and no one really cares what will happen in long run. There are exceptions, of course, like Microsoft... Few years ago in Poland Microsoft encouraged police (Microsoft was sponsoring police...) to start large scale operation against piracy. At first they were targeting companies, and it worked (for Microsoft) well. In next step they started to target students, lots of thorough searches of students dorms happened. To my surprise someone in Microsoft noticed that instead of increasing sales after a few months of this policy sales dropped. Students didn't bought legal windows, they started to use Linux. It was like a nightmare for Microsoft - companies are buying Windows and Office because it's cheaper to buy it than to teach people how to use Linux. But when workers already know how to use Linux, there is no reason to use Windows (unless company needs some programs available only with Windows). Now Microsoft is giving Windows to students for free. Third reason why they're fighting with piracy is because they're publishers. Publishers are intermediaries between authors and buyers. They're giving moneys to authors (regardless if this is manga, games, books, music etc.), advertise their products and organize sales. As a rule publishers earns more than authors, add that traditional distribution methods are expensive (sometimes distribution cost is more than 50% of ending price), authors earns, at best, 20% of price paid by buyers. Internet is crushing this. Distribution is cheap (nothing to produce, nothing to transport, no need for shops and salesman, you have to pay only for hosting and Internet shop - much cheaper than traditional). Advertising is cheaper than in traditional media, and if you know how to use piracy for advertising - it's free. And most importantly -it's possible for authors to sell their product directly or semi directly. There is no place for publishers in Internet era, they're aware of it, so they're fighting with piracy with all their might - they need to if they want to survive (IMHO they won't). @Tri-ring - I wonder why mangaka won't do it already, at least those publishing seinen/josei/hentai manga (older people are more willing to pay for things avaliable in Internet "for free"). Is it because being published in magazine is such good way to advertise their manga, or because mentioned oligopoly of publishers have their ways to discourage mangaka from being independent? (It's a rhetoric question )
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2010-04-21, 07:15 | Link #13767 | ||
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But digital is the way to go. I'd sell mag subscription - you can log on and read any series from that magazine that is in serialization, which have not been released as tanks. I say this because if you buy the mag itself, you can go back and read it. And it would have to be a flash based proprietary plug in (and controlled downloads onto mobile devices) so as to prevent pirating. And subscriber's would get discounts on tanks of the series being published. If only I had enough money to start something like this.
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2010-04-21, 07:26 | Link #13768 | |
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2010-04-21, 08:01 | Link #13770 |
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Not really. I've started my buisness without any, and now I'm employing 6 people, myself excluded. There is a lots of ways to found money for buisness, including creating money from thin air (I'm serious). You just need knowledge, skill, determination, credibility and some luck. Just need to remember that 2/3 of new companies went bancrupt in first year, only a few survive longer than 3 years.
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2010-04-21, 13:13 | Link #13771 |
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I wouldn't be too worried. We've had crackdowns like this before, and while it certainly changes things, things get running again after a few months or so
it just means that we'll have to be patient (and hey, we've survived a two month break before... I'm sure we can handle delays)
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2010-04-21, 13:57 | Link #13772 | ||
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2010-04-22, 11:10 | Link #13775 |
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im pretty new to this, ive read quite a bit of posts and still not quite sure whats going on
will we be able to keep getting new chaptes online translated, just started watching the anime a week ago and now ive got up to date with the manga, really like this manga so could someone simplify how long the wait could be for the next chapter/s, thanks.
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2010-04-22, 11:18 | Link #13776 | |
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Just keep in mind that the anime is basically one giant Omake, you'll enjoy it better
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2010-04-22, 14:31 | Link #13778 |
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Too bad that I won't be able to see my lovely lady Moka in that Lum Lum oni suit in anime glory...
And considering how quickly the translators are keeping up nowadays with some manga, we really don't have to wait all that long. I mean, look at how quickly R+V has gotten to SII already.
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