2010-03-20, 03:05 | Link #6181 | |
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Acting like a frail girl doesn't get her the attention she wants, while acting strong, like she normally is, rewards her. Acting 'girly-girl' gets her the first date, but he's coerced into it, while acting strong during it gets her positive attention. Acting frail gets her negative attention, when she acts strong she gets rewarded by being granted another date. Looking nice without positive reinforcement earns her his gaze to uncomfortable degrees. All things the world would want to tell her shouldn't get her attention is getting her closer. I'd bet that once she shows him that she was the hero that helped him will be gaining her more points where the story is currently.
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2010-03-20, 03:14 | Link #6182 | |
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I'm here to give evidences on how Hina acted according to the logic that you have been given negatively only toward Athena. That's all, Bastion-kun. Edit: Bye, bye...it's sleeping time. |
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2010-03-20, 04:51 | Link #6184 | |
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2010-03-20, 08:48 | Link #6185 | |
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Anyway, for people who care, I was talking about the.... trying to remake Hayate into her perfect little white knight who will take care of her forever! But Gasp! you say, But she let Hayate go back to Nagi, that must mean she's not selfish at all! Well, the 'I want my beloved to be happy' bit is nice and all, but I'm left with the feeling that if they did still manage to hook up, she'd revert to ordering Hayate to take care of her and kicking him in the stomach if he tried to protest. Considering that -She doesn't bat an eyelash when Hayate mentions that he hasn't had a girlfriend the entire time they were apart due to not being financially responsible enough -She says she plans to teach Machina some things, most likely the same stuff she taught Hayate -The first thing she does once freed from Midas is to use Hayate as furniture I'd say that that aspect of her hasn't changed at all since EotW. Now, I'm not even saying she's doing this deliberately to be selfish - she probably truly believes it's the way a relationship should work, or something - but that doesn't change the fact that it causes a problem in her relationship with Hayate. He sincerely thinks he needs to be 'dependable' in order to be allowed to be with a girl, thanks to Athena hammering this into his head before he really knew anything about relationships, and Athena seems to believe this as well, so what you end up with if they hook up is Hayate working his ass off just to be 'allowed' to be with her, while Athena does god-knows-what, probably nothing. It's an inequal relationship. And they need to be apart for a while to work through this. Maybe once they've both dropped this idea, I'll consider Athena as a candidate for Hayate's girlfriend, but for now, keep them the hell away from each other. :P (And by the way, fanboys.... making up cute little excuses for Athena's actions or talking about how much you lied them isn't going to improve my opinion of her. Or of you, for that matter.)
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2010-03-20, 08:59 | Link #6186 |
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but seriously after seeing the spoiler of c265 I feel sooo depressed.... I dont want Athena to disappear like that....... I would prefer Nagi to just vanish since she is not my fav char......
well Nagis childish gags reffering to 80% of the whole manga her playing games, drawing that shity mangas that no one understands or slacking off all days...... well its alrady overused for me and it got boring........ and personaly I dont see any ending with HayatexNagi at all..... I just cant... maybe others can but I no matter how long think about it I cant see it... Hayate might now shut down all his "love" interest for other girls.... like "I will only love A-tan" and no one else..... so he might hear confessions but he wont respond to them becouse his heart belongs forever to other girl (the love he held up to for all those 10years) hmmm I feel that from now one hayte wont be the same hayate... he will think about athena more.... he will be more depressed... and manga will lose the comedy aspect..... hmm kinda "now nothing will be like before".... Hata might try to show comedy again yet deep inside it wont be the same.... duo the athena parting..... ehhh kinda "why her".... why not kick out some other character out ^^ well hayate cried at the parting so he will suffer more deep inside (something will change for him).... and the relantionship with nagi will be like it was buttler and lady of the house nothing more....... we can say that this is a space for hina or ayumu... but seriouly will hataye after this another sad parting instantly switch and forget about his love for Athena... like nothing happened.... nope its impossible so he will rather stay away from any romantic relantionships for now.... at his current state I guess even if hina would confess he wouldnt accept it... |
2010-03-20, 09:36 | Link #6187 | |
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We are best of friends, and the purpose of that discussion was for FUN. hehe
Rah, I know you like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSgM5...eature=related Spoiler for angels:
Oo, your 're right, he only thought of her as a "wild beast," not a monster. Sorry, I thought he'd use monster instead of "wild beast" to emphasize her strength. But I like "wild beast" better, cuz you know..it has a little craziness and madness also which is always fun. Quote:
And here I wanted her to be honest with herself and acted more selfish. I was disappointed that she didn't use her power to cut Hayate's arms and legs to turn him into a tree-like person when she rested on his chest as he was a furniture, and you were worry about such trivial details about her making him a love slave which is the best part of the manga? Last edited by zodanhko; 2010-03-20 at 10:21. |
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Anyway, you totally neglect Hayate's own feelings in all this. She never forced him to do anything. She never manipulated him into anything. He fell in love with her and wanted to improve himself because of it, as he outright says in EotW. The EotW arc wasn't about Athena bending Hayate to her will, it was about Hayate gaining confidence in himself and becoming stronger because of it.
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2010-03-20, 14:35 | Link #6192 |
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So a heater isn't a piece of furniture?
You people talk about how he 'loves' Athena. So you're willing to take him at his word for being so in love with someone he knew ~ten years ago for a few months, and only a few nights recently vs girls he's known a minimum of four months recently? And there's nothing wrong with this picture, like realizing people change and mature over time, which Athena makes sure Hayate notices. And she focused him on the physical side, while the other girls ignore his 'poor-looking face' and are still attracted to him. [sarcasm]Physical appearance is everything in a relationship, right?[/sarcasm]
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This means that Athena fell in love with him when he was a weak crybaby, whose default position when he saw a girl being attacked was to run away. So if you're talking about physical appearance, it was Athena that saw past his negative exterior and recognized the good in him long before any of the other girls had even met Hayate.
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2010-03-20, 15:25 | Link #6194 | ||
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If you really want to get technical, there are lots of cases all over where people sit on appliances, thus turning an appliance into a piece of furnature.
They serve similar purposes though. Something that serves some purpose, and you have to avoid walking into it. Quote:
I like Athena for a different reason as the other girls, she's dead last (and yet still far from least favorite anime/manga female), and yet I could use the exact same wording Hayate does without regret. Quote:
Hina is the one who comments when she learns of how Athena taught him that a 'witch' taught him those things. Izumi is the only one close, and yet she likes him for is something his brother also taught him (by example). Athena put words to it and told him more recently, so that's what came up when he started to turn away, but it was shown that Hayate's brother acts the same way, but only likely spent a few hours at most with her. We didn't get any true indication that she actually loved Hayate until recently, during the entire EotW arc she never actually says the words. Kicking someone in the stomach and then when they complain about it calling it the pain of love? Sure, sounds like she loves him a lot. When did Hayate protect a girl being attacked in the past? It was Izumi's doll that was being attacked, Lucky never gave indication that he was interested in attacking Izumi herself.
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Oh wait, only one of the girls in his harem even know of his sword skills (Izumi) and only a few know of his butlering skills, though they do assume he's pretty good at such skills, being a butler of the Sanzenin. They also assume by the same token that he'd know 'finishing moves' though by his own words he doesn't. Quote:
Hina is violent, but irrational? I've only seen one case of her being so, and supposedly the sword was the cause of that (I have my doubts). Punishing the one you care for and think loves you for showing affection to someone else is common everywhere. Quote:
'Witch' does not mean 'evil and I'd never associate with that person'. Notice that Hina has a significantly different personality than Athena, and that their friendship was broken off because of a name Hina wanted to use. Doesn't sound like it was a very strong friendship in the first place. Quote:
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2010-03-20, 17:20 | Link #6198 | |
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2010-03-20, 17:24 | Link #6199 | |
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2010-03-20, 17:30 | Link #6200 |
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As I said, you're misunderstanding this scene. These are only Hina's thoughts, this is NOT what actually happens. She believes that if she plays to her normal potential, Hayate will come to see her as a non-girly wild beast. Therefore she does NOT and rather botches the reception of the ball.
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