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And, aren't you forgetting someone named Konan, who seemed to consider herself as an ally of Naruto? Enough to share this little information with him... And finally, aren't we forgetting Kyuubi, the one in the center of all this, the one who first mentioned the name Madara? |
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Seemingly only the elders know that the secret of the Sharingan is that the eyes can control the Kyuubi. Jiraiya hinted at it, but he gave no real info. Quote:
Plus, what part of "Konoha has enough info to know who the Big Bad is", do you not understand? LOL, you are trying to lecture me on the Kyuubi knowing about Madara when I was the one who made the biggest fuss over the fact that the Kyuubi didn't tell Naruto about Madara during the Minato appearance? Kishimoto had a chance to use the Kyuubi, he choice not to, so I seriously doubt that Kishimoto will ever use the Kyuubi as a source of info. |
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2009-06-15, 13:12 | Link #204 | |
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Secondly, i doubt that The Sharingan evolved from the byakugan because there completely different. For instance the only similarity is that they can both see chakra but then again the rinnegan can do this too. Thirdly, a Jounin is the highest a ninja can get to apart from being a kage. Therefore considering that he is still under 20 that is a good achievment. Also, comparing jounin level of konoha to the sand is inexcusable: because the sand's kage (Gaara) isn't really strong and would most likely be killed by tsunade, jiraiya or even Kakashi( who is also jounin level). Your point about Naruto being above Neji is most likely true however thats because he is the main character and he OBVIOUSLY has to be one of the strongest. This basically means that Neji's potential was watered down by default because Kishi probably couldn't be bothered to give him a main role.
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He escaped the water prison because of his Byakugan. He could see the weakspot of the technique and on top he's able to release chakra from any part of his body. He could even use his chakra cock if he wanted to... At the moment, Neji is no match for the powerful Akatsuki who're left. Well, maybe he's a match for Zetsu, but Kisame can cut down his so-called ultimate defense with his sword and has the upper hand concerning chakra. Madara on the other hand is protected by an allmighty plot shield. It's clear that only the protagonist and maybe together with Sasuke will encounter him. I can't remember any more Akatsuki at the moment. They've crumbled, haven't they? Quote:
Why do you stick to this as a reason? It's not reason at all that people are trained by the strongest. It's what you make of it and your own potential that makes you strong. Strength isn't passed down like a wristwatch or a golden ring... It doesn't matter how strong the 3rd was and I don't know if he was really stronger than his students. In the end, Orochimaru managed to kill him with his own sword. Maybe the 3rd was stronger when he was younger, that's actually for sure, but a comparison between the unseen young him and the also old Sannin is pretty farfetched. Opening the gates is an ability just as any other. The old FRS was even worse and MS is nothing Kakashi can use at ease. Most of the techniques are dangerous and I think it's pretty nice Maito Gai can use six gates so easily. Two steps away from dying, but he recovers fast. Quote:
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Seriously, are you trying to waste my time by laughing about me desparately trying to take you serious? It's nice that he became a Jounin, but it's just the title capable ninjas should get. It's okay that he became a Jounin at young age, but he is definitely not the first and not the only one. Furthermore I remember a title called Special Jounin and I remember a Genin who's at Kage level already, no I remember two, because in fact, Sasuke's never been promoted Chuunin. He might be a missing-nin, yet he's a good example how senseless it is to use these titles as a measuring stick. Another good example would be Akatsuki. Jounin actually means nothing. Say goodbye to the old-fashioned system of titles. Are you serious about Gaara not being strong? You must be joking. No, I won't comment this. Quote:
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That being said, I have already gone pseudo-in-depth explaining the failing of Kishimoto's actual storytelling in previous chapters, I was only using your words against you here. If you want to hold a more in-depth discussion of Kishimoto's failings, please go start a thread whose sole intention is to explain to everyone why Kishimoto did not fail at writing his story. Otherwise, I got over the bad writing 2 weeks ago. First Chuck Norris, now Fonzie ? You really need to pick better role models . |
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With that said We will see Madara as the Mizukage at the Kage meeting!! |
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In the end, Minato specifically said that nothing he could do could stop the masked Nin from releasing and then controlling the Kyuubi. That means that Minato found the masked nin, before the Kyuubi was released, attempted to stop the process, failed at preventing the masked nin from summoning the creature, and then failed at stopping the masked nin from controlling the creature and ordering it to destroy Konoha. This is more than sufficient evidence that the masked Nin was at least equal to Minato (considering that if the person was below him, he could have stopped the summoning and controlling). Added to that, though, as you mentioned, Minato also thought that only someone with the power of the Kyuubi could fight the individual. And, that the Masked Nin also controlled Pain, which means the person controlled 2 beings of mass destruction, and has tried to destroy Konoha at least twice now. Honestly, nothing you have said actually disputes my claim that Madara was at least equal to Minato... Quote:
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If you wish to argue faith in regards to the story, very well. Phenomenal is positing that Nagato had "faith" in Naruto because Naruto reflected Nagato's past but he didn't kill Nagato when he had a chance, so Nagato could believe that Naruto will accomplish what Nagato did not (amongst other things). I disagree with this idea. Faith can only be believed if it has a "solid and logical inferences for [its] foundation." Consequently, the debate then becomes whether or not Nagato has the solid and logical inference for a foundation of faith in Naruto. I do not think that Kishimoto presented a logical case for such faith, specifically Naruto did not truly defeat Nagato, and Naruto is still left untested as to whether he can live only for his ideology, and not succumb as Nagato did (i.e. not killing Nagato is only the same as Nagato not trying to kill Jiraiya back when he was 12, not the same as Nagato trying to kill Hanzou when he was 20 or so). Specifically, Naruto has only, realistically, lived up to the idealogy of Nagato at the age of 12 (or so), when, after experiencing his first great pain, he was able to get over his pain and attempt to understand the people that destroyed his village and his family (i.e. understand Konoha via the interactions with Jiraiya). If this was all we had to deal with, then Nagato and Naruto's experiences would be entirely comparable, and Nagato's faith would ahve been well placed. But, sadly enough, Nagato had a 2nd great pain, that shaped his current ideology, and this 2nd pain has not beendefeated by Naruto, let alone felt by Naruto, and subsequently Naruto has not had to find an answer for this type of pain. Conesquently, Nagato's faith in Naruto is unfounded. To put it another way, faith is the ability to commit "oneself to act based on sufficient experience to warrant belief, but without absolute proof," and I do not believe that Kishimoto adequately expressed the "sufficient experience" to "warrant belief" in Naruto. So, Nagato's faith in Naruto is misplaced, and illogical. Which, consequently, means that Kishimoto failed at providing the much needed evidence to support Nagato's faith in Naruto. Last edited by james0246; 2009-06-15 at 15:43. |
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So Uchiha Obito would have been too young to be the one summoning the Kyuubi? Or do you think he could have been old enough? How old was Minato when Naruto was born? Kakashi and probably Obito must have been 15-16 years old when Naruto was born.
Sasuke is now just as old as Kakashi was back then. If Obito had survived, he would've been 15 to 16 years old. With Madara taking the young one-eyed and also damaged body (probably his own body was even worse damaged), could that combination have been strong enough to encounter Minato, the 4th Hokage? I'd say yes... ("There are people younger than you (Naruto), yet stronger than me (Kakashi).).
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I don't know, but I think he actually does. Maybe he has the story and maybe he does two to three in a row if he wants to have some free time, but all in all, it takes quite some time to draw a manga, doesn't it? Maybe he's not content with the first draws and has to draw some pages again. I guess that takes time and yes, you need to be pretty successful to earn some money.
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besides there is a point in life that are body stop's growing(i am talking about time periode) and from that point you start to decay so unless you manage to gain as much power as you can under that time frame... and why you people think he wasn't a genuies himself? you are right when you say strength doesnt pass like a golden ring, but the knowldge does...look at Maito Guy and Lee, do you think Lee would have been strong without lerning from the exprince Guy had? that's what i mean by the third learning from both previoes hokages and why he was so strong, and that's way i believe he was stronger then Daznuo, becuase ieven if Mdara trained him...Daznuo isn't a sharingan user, which means there is so much Madara could teache him(if he did that is). think about it what are the chances Danzuo had acceses to this kind of exprince when he was young? oh and i didn't meant the third was stronger then his students at his old age(sorry if there were a misunderstanding) his power level did dropped with his age... Quote:
i am talking about base strength level, look at shark face, Guy had to open 6 gates to fight him, and remeber that every akustaki is a kage level at least...so what does it say to you? he isn't always in a kage level, he uses the gates to gain more power. what would happen if he wont be able to use them? his base level isnt near kage level is it? |
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