2006-08-21, 07:41 | Link #61 |
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I always thought people in purple should be Kira's counterpart in ranking in Orb.
I mean, people wearing purple is always seen with the chairman or they're the one handling the military like what Kira is supposedly doing in Orb. apparently he only chosen to use that power once, compared to athrun's frequency in usage of his so-called FAITH "special" powers. anyway, white coats gets to have a ship and have a team of their own. in any, Kira would probally have the Gondwana or ressurect something like the Messiah(though it's classfied as a fortress) |
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I don´t see Kira joining ZAFT at all at the moment.
Maybe this is opening up for the possibility of one of the few scenarios I would have liked to see after Kira got shot down by Shinn: Kira disappearing and infiltrating ZAFT. Even though I absolutely loved the homage to my beloved X-105 Strike I wouldn´t mind seeing Kira being one of the pilots attacking the Eternal. From the looks of it it looks like Kira has the same garb as Yzak. // Atleast the forum got a little more active again. Even though there´s a lot of baseless complaining going around. Which forced me to add another person to my ignore list. Now they´re two.
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2006-08-21, 08:42 | Link #64 |
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I think Kira is actually on par hierarchically with Yzak and actually higher seated than Talia. Yzak's uniform has actually more gold than Talia's (collar and cuffs) and the breast patch offer a different pattern. Maybe it has something to do with whether you are a MS squadron or a fleet commander or just a ship's captain?
IMO Kira should logically have the same garb as Yzak seeing that they have comparable roles and responsibilities in the last part of Destiny (commanding a ship/fleet, etc).
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2006-08-21, 09:02 | Link #65 | |
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Though the frontal yellow/red badge at the pocket area is beyond me. Talia is different, but all other commanders seem to have the same Yzak/Raww red/yellow/red pattern. Knowing Kira, I wouldn't be surprised if he could hack ZAFT's database and create a false white-coat identity for a short while, but I don't see how that would contribute to the story at it's particular point. It's not like he can infiltrate Minerva either. And even if Kira pilots some ZAKU or GOUF, him losing in those MS is more degrading than him losing in Strike. |
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2006-08-21, 09:12 | Link #66 | |
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And it´s not like the exact same scenario have to happen if Kira were to infiltrate ZAFT. I just hope they have a good reason for this. I would hate it if he just were to feel like he wants to join ZAFT. He´s an Orb citizen and his sister is in a high-ranking position of Orb after all.
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2006-08-21, 09:22 | Link #67 |
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Well, maybe it's just an honorary position unless he were to take command of the ZAFT-originated Terminal fleet or he acts as Lacus' head of personal security when she comes back to PLANT to assist in the rebuilding efforts. Other than that the most plausible occasion for him to pop in in that attire would be at the very end, when we see Lacus walking up to the council room in councilwoman's garb, accompanied by Yzak and someone else. Maybe Yzak's gonna get replaced by Kira in that scene, who knows.
If Kira gets a ZAFTy's clothes before then I should expect some major changes, which leave me so-so but also expectant if it means remodeled scenes and better animation/plot (havent't watched SE yet, so...). Nevertheless if it is the case I wonder if it won't shoot, later on, Cagalli's giving Kira an entire fleet to command. After all only an Orb officer should take command of that Izumo fleet...even for the sake of hierarchy and decorum.
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2006-08-21, 10:57 | Link #68 | |
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As for Kira being a whitecoat. I really don't think its that hard to comprehend. Why not? Lacus returned to PLANT in Final Plus. I don't know what she is up to, but chances are, she is going to be someone important. When she walked down the isle, she donned an official dress, which tells me she is going to be involved with PLANT politics in some way. With that said, Kira, being her one and only bodyguard, would have to dress in ZAFT uniform in order to appear legitimate. Think of the implications had he worn something else, namely a Feddie uniform. Besides, many people already pointed out, if Athrun is so readily forgivable, then I don't see why Kira wouldn't receive the same treatment. After all, the man is a legend. - Tak |
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2006-08-21, 11:09 | Link #69 |
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What is this F+ stuff? 2nd time I've heard it, also in context with Lacus being the devil.
Also, I thought ZAFT ranks were way different than normal, it's not like they should have given him a purple uniform but white might still correspond with an Orb general rank (was that kira's rank?) Plus do the white uniforms mean ship commander? I know that sometimes, like with Minerva and with some of the GSD ships, the white uniforms gave most of the ship orders, but Yzak and Rau seemed to delegate a lot of ship command to the black uniforms. I'm confused Kira also happens to be the Ultimate Coordinator... It'd be kind of weird if ZAFT DIDNT want him in their uniform... even if it only meant that he becomes less likely to beamspam ZAFT grunts. And that green belt buckle has to mean something. |
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As for the ZAFT rank structure: There aren't any official "ranks" due to them being a militia, but there's always someone in command. All who wears a green uniform is of the same rank as anyone else with a green uniform, and it's the same with the white, black and reds. For example, a greenie who's in charge of engineering on a ship can command the other greenies under his command, but he doesn't have to take orders from anyone with a red uniform - only the captain and the executive officer or anyone in another directly superior command positions. The purple coats seems to belong to people associated with the department of defense. |
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2006-08-21, 11:36 | Link #72 | |
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Before Genghis, Mongolia was a mess. It was only after him that the Mongol 'chargers' were able to steamroll Eurasia. And even with the Greeks degrading their neighbors as mere barbarians, they had 'ranks' in that category, and the Romans sure didn't rank very high. It was only after several hundred years did the situation reverse, eventually with Greeks kissing Roman butt. - Tak (Yes, I realize we are getting a little OT, I shall use private msg from now on) |
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I beg to differ - very few people know about him being the Ultimate Coordinator. Durandal and Rey know because they're involved with Ulen Hibiki's program and his Da Fllaga cloning research. ZAFT only remembers Kira Yamato as a Coordinator that fought against his own kin - the Mendel matter was kept under wraps for perfectly understandable reasons, topping the fact that Kira wouldn't presumably either brag or advertise the fact that he is an Ultimate Coordinator. After all, it's a touchy topic for him. When Durandal mentioned him in front of Shinn (when he gave Destiny and Legend to Athrun and Shinn), I guess he was referring to his piloting skills. It's only when Rey told his tale as a clone with shortened lifespan to Shinn that he might have put two and two together and understood why Kira was so special. And it's unlikely he went yapping around about Rey's (a friend) confidences. Quote:
In GSD he does start to show signs of standing up for the role as commander in the last arc, although Lacus is the source of command behind due to her political background and her being the daughter of a PLANT councilmember. I wouldn't say he is just a follower but he simply lacks the experience to deserve the role of a squad/fleet commander. Although he has a rank in Orb's Self-Defense Forces, he was not enlisted and trained; he is most probably utterly unaware of how true soldiers proceed on the battlefield and whatnot. He has his own fighting style - which makes him a solo operative with at most two wingmen but not with a fleet behind him and under his thumb. Athrun, since he was a squad commander (under Le Creuset), is a likelier candidate but he was still convalescent when he went to space as well as strengthening his resolve for the final battles. Murrue Ramius is even better but I think Cagalli believed that the ability to turn tides would reside in MS pilots and not ships, although the Archangel's role in the Messiah war still was a preponderant one. Moreover, if Orb's soldiers knew Kira as 'Kira-sama', one should assume that he is more or less an already prominent figurehead among the soldiers (prob. due to his participation in CE71 in Orb's last stand) and holds enough charisma to lead people to the battlefield. As said above, yeah, he inspires others but I guess he'd still take Athrun's advice for their strategy. It is indeed a strange decision since Kira fights on his own in an MS...while a commander fights from behind a desk or way behind the lines, in a ship or some heavily protected HQ. Murrue was a better choice but I surmise that in the end, the MS pilots were those who had priority in ordering Terminal's troops around instead of waiting for the situation to be reported to Archangel, tactics to be processed and created and orders be given...perhaps too late. Quote:
ZAFT's structure has been based (according to an interview) on Tsahal's (Israel's army) - no ranks at all although generals can exist, but everyone is more or less on even footing (since technically everyone is equal before death). IIRC redcoats (captains?) are those who graduated from the Academy with high honors and top of their class, blackcoats (majors?) are higher officers part of the military bureaucracy and often addressed as 'kanchou' while whitecoats (colonels?) are blackcoats that have distinguished themselves in battle enough to gain a higher importance among their peers. Aces sometimes called 'taisho' or team commanders. Purplecoats would be HQ staff members, generals, Supreme Council members, garrison commanders, etc, etc. Quote:
That's what happens when you write your post on NotePad first to reorganize the quotes a little faster (I deleted some afterwards), then copy and paste the whole thing back on the forum, forgetting that the formatting isn't deleted or re-standardized.
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2006-08-21, 12:16 | Link #75 |
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Here are some major points why this isn't absurd at all.
1- A main consistant theme in the C.E. is that the change of regimes in an organization can mean everything despite the fact that the exterior may still look the same. 2- Final+ showed a regime change under Lacus. 3- Kira is a Coordinator and most of PLANT would embrace him as one of their own on that level. 4- We don't know if the ranking system of colors is even the same - maybe it is a visual change ordered by Lacus to signify a new regime. White could be the new basic uniform. 5- We could very well have two ZAFTs . There might be resistance to the Lacus regime and perhaps they will separate and continue to wear the red coats . Something like that would be way more interesting than the way it was before. Loyalists to Zala or maybe Durandal. |
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2006-08-21, 13:39 | Link #77 |
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LoL its funny when people over analyze this. There's no way in GSD that Kira would turn ZAFT. Maybe after Messiah's fall but not during any duration inside the GSD timeline cause it wouldn't make sense. Kira already accused Dully of allegedly trying to kill him and Lacus. Story-wise its very improbable.
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2006-08-21, 13:41 | Link #78 |
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I concur on that and I believe we'll only see Kira bedecked thusly when Lacus will walk up in her Councilwoman garb in that council chamber, probably replacing Yzak in the original scene. After all, like Cagalli's VA said in an interview, the SE were also rewritten with the idea to bridge the way up to the SEED movie so changes in later episodes are to be expected, if we keep that fact in mind. How many and how deep they will be is left to our speculation.
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FINAL PLUS showed us nothing of what Lacus would be doing, just that she was returning to the PLANTs for SOME reason. SE4 will hopefully expand on what we saw in FINAL PLUS. |
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