Empire of Britannia of Code Geass

[Paladinoras]

Originally Posted by Revolutionist

We nuked them twice, but we carpet bombed them before that almost daily and they still wouldn't surrender. I guess Japanese people are stubborn in RL too, not just CG.

Very, that is why the US nukebombed them in the first place, if they did a mainland attack, more people would die, cause they would sooner die than have a foreign conqueror.

[Gordy Lechance]

First off.

1) Yay for Nunnally-chan!! Can't imagine a nicer person to reform the most rotten abomination of an Empire in Code Geass (and our world too)!!

2) No, I'm not one of those possessive psychos who believe the characters they love have to stay virgins forever (like that psycho who scared the author of Kannagi into hiding for letting Nagi have a past boyfriend). If you really love your fictitious characters, you should be happy for them that they've found love and happiness, and that INCLUDES them having a healthy sex life.

Now with that out of the way...

Now that Nunnally-chan is the Empress of Britania, she his now obligated to take One-Hundred-AND-Eight Husbands... Uh oh.

Oh, make no mistake, it's wonderful that she's going to be very very happy, and its doubtful that she's going to have even one boring night for the rest of her life.

But considering the amount of children that Royalty (especially the ruler) are obligated to have in order to establish political ties and more importantly, maintain their legacy...

How in the blue blazes is a frail girl like Nunnally-chan (who'll probably stay frail in adulthood) going to handle the physical strain of keeping that many husbands happy...

.... much less the physical strain of having a kid each year for the rest of her life, the poor little thing!!

Just a thought.

[Arbitres]

That is borderline troll. Plus it's necro.

I don't see the point of the post. You have to remember Lelouch made a despotism instead of an aristocracy. I somehow imagine Nunnally changing Britannia into a socialist country. (No, not communist.)

It's not like there will be an end of problems made from ZR, considering how much destruction 'was' required to make it work.

I doubt Nunnally would have that many husbands. She doesn't have an obligation to since there isn't a royal family anymore (It disbanded under Lelouch. Remember?) and policies in Britannia changed radically... For better or for worse.

[Kittenlady]

Yeah, despite what Wikipedia says, I'm fairly sure Lelouch is the last monarch of Britannia. Nunnally's probably more of an ambassador.

Geassland is run by loli's <3 How awesome is that?

[Gordy Lechance]

Well, one thing that does seem to pass on down the bloodline seems to be an ability to attract/maintian an army of beautiful people from the opposite sex.

Let's just say "Like Father Like Son."

Makes one wonder if its an Y-chromosome only trait; not that sweet-ol Nunnally-chan isn't charming enough to gather a harem of beautiful admirers like her black-hearted brother and father has.

Heck, one can see her mailbox crammed with heart-stickered envelopes (scanned for bombs before her inspection, of course) a year or two down the line when she "fills up" like poor Euphemia-chan did.

[Arbitres]

This thread is a place where you can discuss Empire of Britannia related questions and issues in the universe of Code Geass, such as the goal of the invasions, their military system, chain of command, etc ...

Congratulations Lost Cause. You are off topic. I suggest either deleting that or adding more to it. Because that itself is trollish.

On that - power is not 'sexy'. That is actually relatively degrading.

You two should start doing this via visitor message or private message. You are being nonsensical at the moment and I really wish you'd drop the 'fulling in', 'fulling up' or 'how many husbands' topics related to Nunnally.

If you haven't realized, that is degrading to the girl. Besides isn't this a political thread and not a thread about gaining curves or flavoring relationships with X number of husbands?

I Reiterate:

This thread is a place where you can discuss Empire of Britannia related questions and issues in the universe of Code Geass, such as the goal of the invasions, their military system, chain of command, etc ...

[Revolutionist]

A friend of mine came up with an interesting theory today, with the HBE the staff was making a dig at Israel and its supporters (mainly the US). At first I laughed it off, certainly the Japanese are bleeding hearts, but not that much. However, it kind of makes sense when you analyze it. Both nations took land arbitrarily and established "nations" in them and use "settlements" where only people of a certain ethnicity are allowed, while the people whose land was taken from them are treated like crap and kept segregated. Both nations also used force liberally to protect its interests with little to no regard for civilian casualties to suppress terrorists. The only difference is there is no Zero in real life to topple the "evil" nations. So in essence the HBE is a magnification of a rather small yet important conflict in our world.

I'd buy this.

[azul120]

I have been following the situation a bit, but what does HBE stand for?

This might be a little sensitive for blade, so I'll refrain from touching into it too much.

[Arbitres]

I'd iamgine HBE being an easy abbreviation for 'Holy Britannian Empire"

...Or I'm completely wrong and it's something else. Though yes. Revolutionist has a point. I am sort of glad we don't have a Zero. Because Zero means Lelouch. :|

[azul120]

Well, not having a Lelouch is debatable. Take away a few certain factors or people, and he'd be just dandy.

[Yamiken]

Originally Posted by Diedrupo

Really, so a True Brit is willing to stain his own hands by conspiring to kill his own allies (The Japan Liberation Front) or manipulate his own siblings (making Euphie kill the Japanese) in order to further his own selfish goals? I haven't seen any indication that Leloch actually cares about being a power of the weak, he just used those goals to justify to the public his true intentions (getting revenge against his father and making a future for Nunnally).

I'd like to think that Britannia is based on Britain more than we'd think. After all, it was Britain who went around conquering and annexing countries all over the world in the 1700s to early 1900s.

Well, for the most part I've no wish to ferment any transatlantic rivalries that may have started up here, but I just want to correct a couple of things:

- Imperial Britain (in the real world) was not unique. Colonialism was something practised by most, if not all of the great European powers of the day, including France, Spain and Portugal (and later Germany). That doesn't make it any more excusable, of course, but it does mean that not every imperialist conqueror is based on the British Empire. To be honest, if anything, the Holy Britannian Empire seems to resemble Imperial Japan more than anything else - no matter what continent it's situated on or what nation it bears the name of.
- Lelouch didn't mean to Geass Euphie. He was pretty horrified at it the moment he'd realised he'd done it, actually. It's just that when he realised that situation was unsalvageable, he decided - after some angsting - to be pragmatic about it and turn it to his advantage, while simultaneously mercy-killing Euphemia. Now, more generally, what I'd say that Lelouch is a complex character, who is undoubtedly not as altruistic as he paints himself (both to others and to himself), does some fairly dodgy things and also has some fairly selfish motives, but is not at the same time a totally amoral, selfish bastard. Though, of course, he's also by no means a static character - he swings between altruism and selfishness over the course of the series, I'd say, with the Black Rebellion being the nadir of his selfishness and - I'd venture, though certain others would doubtless disagree with me on this - the Zero Requiem being the zenith of his altruism and responsibility - though in neither case can his motives be completely characterised as one or the other (he comes pretty close during the Black Rebellion, though).

Originally Posted by morbosfist

It's doubtful such a thing was even drafted. Code Geass History was altered since before Christ.

Well, that in itself doesn't mean anything. You'd have thought that if the history of the British Isles had really been entirely different since the Roman invasion (though why it needed to change with the incursion of Julius Caesar, who failed to make any ground anyway, is beyond me), there'd be no way a recognisable Elizabeth I could have sat on the throne in the latter half of the sixteenth century - yet we're told she did. It's been posited that a lot of the 'history' we're fed in Code Geass is actually bullshit, little more than propagandist myth-making by the Britannian establishment. (I've also heard it said that Charles is hinted in-series to have been particularly guilty of historical revisionism, but whilst it would tie in with his Geass power, I can't recall any implication of that myself, so unless it's in supplementary materials...) I think this hypothesis is fairly valid, but try to avoid it myself because once you start rejecting whole junks of what you're given outright, filling in the gaps becomes even harder. Still, I think it fair to say that one must bear in mind that the history textbooks we're treated to glimpses of are at the very least going to be selective reporters of the facts.

So, Magna Carta, then. To be honest, I don't think there's much evidence either way. Certainly the spirit of the document wouldn't sit well with the Britannian ethos during the present day, but if it was signed, it was signed along time ago, giving Britannian culture plenty of time to change in the intervening period. I don't think that the Magna Carta being signed would have prevented Britannia taking the route it did, either - for all that Whig historians past and present may romanticise it, it wasn't actually as revolutionary as all that - it only really gave rights to the aristocracy, not to the common people, who already had a lot of practical power anyway; heavily centralised states and absolute rulers were not a thing of the Middle Ages, and only really began cropping up during the Enlightenment period (so far as Europe is concerned). Whilst in the real world the Magna Carta is often seen as the start of a great English tradition of democracy and common rights, in practice, as I say, it wasn't a great step in either direction, more a paper acknowledgement of the power of the lords and barons. The point is, this was the same story on the continent, as well, and they managed to get their share of benevolent (or malevolent) despots come their emergence from the feudal system. Britannia of the Code Geass universe could quite easily have done the same, Magna Carta or no Magna Carta - particularly since, for all that they might brag about not having had a revolution, the relocation from the British Isles to (what we call) America was basically a revolution in its own right, just one way from democracy rather than towards it.

The Magna Carta might explain why, despite everything, Britannia still seems to have some sort of legislature, though. Even if we don't know how powerful it actually is.

Originally Posted by Cal-Reflector

Flying carriers eh? Considering everything else in the bizarre world/military/technological/cultural setting of Code Geass, that's actually not that outlandish.

I wondered what happened to those fighter jets Britannia employed during the invasion of Japan (they appeared briefly in still images on the prologue). I figure an airborne KMF, with its strap on jet pack and anti-aerodynamic silhouette can do about 500 mph tops; a futuristic jet fighter should easily reach Mach 2-3.

I might be wrong, but didn't we see some air forces come into play during the series? The Black Rebellion springs to mind. Granted, their only role seems to have been to get promptly decimated by whatever's around with hadron cannons, but still....

[Might post something on the subject of the economy later on. It's a topic that interests me as well, but right now I can't think of anything fresh to contribute - others seem to have done a good job of voicing any immediate thoughts I might have on the topic. I'll see if anything else comes to mind.]

[DarkyPwnz]

Originally Posted by Yamiken

I might be wrong, but didn't we see some air forces come into play during the series? The Black Rebellion springs to mind. Granted, their only role seems to have been to get promptly decimated by whatever's around with hadron cannons, but still....

Not any fighter jets,but we see VTOL aircraft that resemble helicopters and air-transports (which aren't very common in R2 since most Knightmares got some sort of floatation device.) that are controlled by the Knightmare itself.

My only problem with the whole flying thing is the Energy Wing one. How does it make a Knightmare frame so fast? If it can,why not make an aerodynamic frame with it that is suited for air combat? I find this awkward since most battles happened on air on R2 and air-based Knightmares or dedicated jets would have made much more sense.

[AutarchSeverian]

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Really, so a True Brit is willing to stain his own hands by conspiring to kill his own allies (The Japan Liberation Front) or manipulate his own siblings (making Euphie kill the Japanese) in order to further his own selfish goals? I haven't seen any indication that Leloch actually cares about being a power of the weak, he just used those goals to justify to the public his true intentions (getting revenge against his father and making a future for Nunnally).

If you want to condemn Lelouch for making a mistake with Euphie, fine. But if you watch that part, in my opinion it's pretty clear he didn't actually intend to use his Geass on Euphie - it's specifically phrased as a speculative "if I really wanted to..."

If he didn't care about the weak, then why did he intervene to help Japanese being assaulted by Brittanians (or in that one scene, Japanese being assaulted by Japanese at the command of a Brittanian)? Lelouch was used because he was weak by his father at the start of the series, and that created a resentment in him against the exploitation of the strong by the weak. I don't think it was his guiding purpose for the series, but it's an element of his personality.

[Scherzo09]

Hey, gonna engage in a little fanon here, but sort of developing my own canon for Geass is something I really enjoy.

I think the issue with the 108 consorts is sort of mistated. I don't think it really means 'Charles had 108 wives'. I think from the series we could surmise he had something on the order of 2 to 4 dozen children (leaving aside Oz the Reflection), which seems reasonable for a polygamist (Bin Laden was one of 54 children, for reference). What I posit though is that he didn't actually have 108 wives. Lets look at the precedents: Elizabeth I has a bastard Tudor offspring who still succeeds to the throne upon her death. Later, Elizabeth III sanctions her lover to take the throne. Obviously the necessity of traditional marriage becomes less important to the succession of the British Crown, in some ways a logical decay of the institution since Henry VIII legalized divorce. I see the 108 consorts as not even exactly concubines, but 108 women who have been officially sanctioned to be viable to produce heirs to the throne, and otherwise not being a binding contract. This would allow him to align families with his rule and cast enemies beyond the pale. I think Marianne was the only one Charles singled out as a wife and therefore Empress. (I know there might/probably is supplemental material proving this is incorrect, but I prefer this interpretation).

[Empress Ayeka]

I've always wondered about the structure of the Imperial Family; I mean, the Emperor i supposed to have 108 wives. How does that work? Do all of them have their own house like Marianne? And how many kids does he have?

Plus, how does the ranking and succession go? Is it just age or something else?

[Fireminer]

Well, it is never clear whether all of Charles's wives have their own house, but I guess that only the closed to him could live in Pendragon, or more precisely, St. Darwin Boulevard.

And the succession. Due to the Social Darwinism, the throne could go to the strongest child for all Charles care (he and V.V weren't first born princes either). That rule out all names except 2: Schnizel and Lelouch.

[kaiser11492]

This has probably been asked before, but does anyone else think the Holy Britannian Empire mostly and ironically resembles Imperial Japan (aka the Greater Japanese Empire)? I've seen comparisons with the British Empire and the United States of America, but Imperial Japan shares a lot with Britannia.

1. Imperial Japan, though a constitutional monarchy consisting of a Prime Minister, Cabinet, and legislature, acted somewhat absolutist. The Meiji Constitution stated that sovereignty resided in the Emperor, the Emperor was "sacred and inviolable", supreme commander of the armed forces, could appoint the Ministers of State, and dissolve parliament. This seems to mirror how the Emperor of Britannia holds almost absolute power over the empire, yet there is a Prime Minister and a Parliament (House of Lords and a Senate).

2. Both Japan and Britannia's imperial families trace their roots to legendary founders that lived more than 2000 years ago. The legendary first Emperor of Japan was Jimmu while Britannia has Eowyn.

3. Corporations seem to wield lots of power and influence in Britannian politics. This is similar to how the zaibatsu or business cliques in Japan were major players in the political arena.

4. Imperial Japan, like Britannia, advocated imperialism and expansion. Interestingly, Imperial Japan's relations with Korea seem to be similar to Britannia's relations with Japan (Area 11). While both Korea and Code Geass' (CG) Japan were subjugated in August of '10 (Korea 1910, CG Japan 2010), the Empire that ruled them utilized cultural suppression and discrimination. Korea was also caught between Imperial Japan, Czarist Russia, and the Chinese Empire (like CG Japan was between Britannia, the EU, and the Chinese Federation).

5. Japanese Emperors (until the early 20th century) practiced polygamy and had many consorts that could produce heirs should the Empress not bear one.

And an interesting note, if you take 1813 (the year Ricardo von Britannia succeeded Elizabeth III as ruler) and add 54 (because Eowyn's supposed ascension in 55 BC is the epoch in the Britannian calendar and there is no year 0) you get 1867, which is historically the year when the Meiji Era began.

[Fireminer]

Guess that the reason you write "Rebellion on the Other Side", huh? And yes, the similarity between these two are very big. The only different that I could remember that there is no national religion for Brittania.

[Xander]

Originally Posted by kaiser11492

This has probably been asked before, but does anyone else think the Holy Britannian Empire mostly and ironically resembles Imperial Japan (aka the Greater Japanese Empire)? I've seen comparisons with the British Empire and the United States of America, but Imperial Japan shares a lot with Britannia.

Even Seiji Takeda, a producer from MBS channel, noticed this comparison could be made way back in the day.

Doesn't necessarily mean much though, in practice, since the show's not trying to be particularly political in any relevant fashion.

[azul120]

Originally Posted by Yamiken

Well, for the most part I've no wish to ferment any transatlantic rivalries that may have started up here, but I just want to correct a couple of things:

- Imperial Britain (in the real world) was not unique. Colonialism was something practised by most, if not all of the great European powers of the day, including France, Spain and Portugal (and later Germany). That doesn't make it any more excusable, of course, but it does mean that not every imperialist conqueror is based on the British Empire. To be honest, if anything, the Holy Britannian Empire seems to resemble Imperial Japan more than anything else - no matter what continent it's situated on or what nation it bears the name of.
- Lelouch didn't mean to Geass Euphie. He was pretty horrified at it the moment he'd realised he'd done it, actually. It's just that when he realised that situation was unsalvageable, he decided - after some angsting - to be pragmatic about it and turn it to his advantage, while simultaneously mercy-killing Euphemia. Now, more generally, what I'd say that Lelouch is a complex character, who is undoubtedly not as altruistic as he paints himself (both to others and to himself), does some fairly dodgy things and also has some fairly selfish motives, but is not at the same time a totally amoral, selfish bastard. Though, of course, he's also by no means a static character - he swings between altruism and selfishness over the course of the series, I'd say, with the Black Rebellion being the nadir of his selfishness and - I'd venture, though certain others would doubtless disagree with me on this - the Zero Requiem being the zenith of his altruism and responsibility - though in neither case can his motives be completely characterised as one or the other (he comes pretty close during the Black Rebellion, though).

Not even close regarding the Zero Requiem. Heck, it might have been among his most selfish, if justified by the kind of despair that drives one to suicide, which is what the act basically read as, with little regard to the fact that more collateral damage was caused than during his time as Zero.

Originally Posted by kaiser11492

And the succession. Due to the Social Darwinism, the throne could go to the strongest child for all Charles care (he and V.V weren't first born princes either). That rule out all names except 2: Schnizel and Lelouch.

Perhaps. I guess Charles wouldn't really give a lick given what he was up to.