True Tears - Episode 6 Discussion / Poll

[UPR]

Originally Posted by Var

Spoiler for Ehh Ep6:

Why would it be fail if it had a predictable element? There's plenty of predictability in this show, and in everyshow, that doesn't mean its going to fail because of it. And yes, it was predictable... maybe because that was how the story was set up? I think that's the entire point of foreshadowing. If you look at the characters facial expression and words, there's even foreshadowing about just how valid that statement is and may all come back to Shin's mother. But wait! Foreshadowing would be too predictable, I guess this show fails. The only show that would have no predictability is one with little white boxes moving, no words, no facial expressions, nothing. Then it'd be unpredictable.

Anyway, back on topic, this episode was very good. I'm curious to see where it goes from here... and the BGM is just amazing.

What im trying to say is it was to predictable in the sense that pretty much everyone said it and no other theories.

Foreshadowing is when it gives you hints to what may happen but by not giving it away. I said it failed because it basically gave it away right from the start.

Im not saying it was horrible but it could have been done better. But that's about the only bad thing I personally see.

And like I said I don't think it's true since they revealead it so early on.

[Westlo]

Originally Posted by UPR

And like I said I don't think it's true since they revealead it so early on.

I tend to agree with that, if something like this came up in the last quarter of the series than I would think it's true but at the halfway point.. nope.

[Kaoru Chujo]

I guess I'm just going to end up in this emotionally wrecked state after every episode. Now we have the makings of true tragedy: where the protagonist's own flaws draw down an inexorable fate.

We end the show with Shin, Hiromi, Aiko and Nobuse all shattered, with Noe to come in the next ep, and Jun and mama always shattered anyway. And except for the sins of the parental generation, it all comes down to Shin's flawed character: indecisive, cowardly, insensitive, blind -- and especially, "good."

A couple of things about Hiromi's "confession": I think she said it was her aunt, Shin's mother, not her grandma, who told her (obasan, not obaasan). And I think ka mo shirenai ("may be") is often not quite so uncertain as it seems. I think people often use it to soften the statement, not because they really think there is any doubt.

So what I'm saying is I think Shin's mom told Hiromi that she actually is Shin's half-sister. This means that the tragedy is that she can never be his girlfriend. No ifs, ands, or buts. No wishful thinking by those who prefer Hiromi. Brother and sister.

Now, I prefer Noe, but that doesn't leave me off the hook. Shin, from events in this episode and next, is clearly distancing himself from her, much to her dismay. Could Aiko be well placed to comfort him in his dark night?

Hiromi"s ichatta ("There, I said it.") was drawn by the animators and delivered by Nazuka Kaori just brilliantly.

I have no problem with this turn of events. It was foreshadowed and it happened. Where's the dramatic problem there? In a classical tragedy, the big turn of events happens in the middle of the play, which is where we are right now. It will be more problematic for me if it now turns out that she isn't his half-sister. Blood tests, anyone?

The only thing that bothers me is the relationship between Shin's mother and father, and the way he said Hiromi was their daughter as much as Shin. Would he really say that if she were really his? I'm not saying she isn't, just that the writer should not have written that earlier scene that way if she was.

[monir]

Originally Posted by UPR

All I now is if:

Spoiler for ep6:

.............I just hope that is not the case since it was so predictable.

If I may make an observation, I've seen many viewers are hung up on the idea of predictability/unpredictability which dictates their enjoyment of a series. Some viewers do not like shows if the plot points are predictable and some do not like when a plot is unexpectedly unpredictable. I personally think predictability/unpredictability can never outweigh the overall presentation that balances the storytelling. Predictability/unpredictability doesn't make a good show. A fluid presentation does. A balanced storytelling will portray the characters of a show nicely and will present the story in an easy-to-digest chunk.

If the plot for this series is closely scrutinized, it can be very easily seen that the series hasn't made much of a progression from episode 1 to 6 in its story and yet it has been very enjoyable for a lot of us. The character themselves what make this show so enjoyable for all of us, but they are in no way unpredictable, and nor is the story. Every week I anticipate the show will veer away from its course and try to apply the standard shock-value to bring/give development to a character... and every week I've been proven wrong. In my humble opinion, that's what making the show stand out so far even though the show is very unoriginal. And it's all in the presentation.

[Deathkillz]

Originally Posted by UPR

And like I said I don't think it's true since they revealead it so early on.

No...that is what making this special. I've seen too many series where the truth is left to drag on so stopping that early brings about a breath of fresh air. Now it comes down to how they will build up on that as they still have pleanty of time to develop the characters. What will shin do knowing and how would he react etc

[Samanosuke]

well that was an awesome episode.
what came was expected , but the impact was still that of a bomb .
kudos to the producers .

I like what i see in the preview for the next episode xD .

[cloudninja]

Originally Posted by UPR

And like I said I don't think it's true since they revealed it so early on.

Spoiler for episode 6 spoiler:

I'm in agreement on that one. I think that the characters in the show that know about Hiromi's situation suspect that Hiromi has a good chance of being the daughter of Shinichiro's father because of an affair but it's probably not 100% certain. If they already had a blood test done then things would be more definitive instead of having the parents and Hiromi tiptoe around the subject with Shinichiro. I think they are all afraid of the truth so they probably avoided thinking about it too much instead of confirming it and revealing it to Shinichiro. It does create additional drama and conveniently allows the other girls more of a chance to get close to Shinichiro but I could easily imagine that a blood test later in the show would reveal that they're not related after all.

I feel for Hiromi. It's obvious in this episode that she's been in love with Shinichiro for a while now and has been fighting against any chance that they might be related. I hope it's not true. It's extremely rare for a show to write off a major character's chances this early for real. Unless it's not for real.

It looks like Jun realized that Hiromi was in love with Shinichiro after her shocked expression when he told her about Shinichiro and Noe. That smile when he realized it does not bode well for his intentions.

Spoiler for episode 7 preview:

It looks like Hiromi can't let go of her feelings. Cat fight with Noe! I'm buying tickets to that one.

Noe goes crying to her brother Jun for comfort. Maybe this is what Jun wanted all along...

[Sinestra]

Oh wow the shit hit the fan harder in this episode than i originally thought it would downloading the episode right now i cant wait. I will still have to rewatch a subbed version to get the full dialog but this i just cant wait for.

[ThoHell]

Holy crapola! Drama and tension building up left and right. Everything is going to chaos in this episode, just wow.

Spoiler for episode 6 spoiler:

Ai is about to explode. She's making her frustration known. Poor Nobuse, I'm sure he had a little idea, but being made clear of who Ai really likes was a BIG OUCH!

Shin is just affraid of getting hurt again, so he puts himself into a flase state of belief, a belief that what he is doing is the best thing. Hiromi and Shin want to be with each other so bad, but so many things get in the way. Jun sure caught onto Hiromi's feelings fast when she was in completel utter silence when he told Hiromi to tell Shin to make up his mind about going out with Noe.

So, it looks like Shin and Hiromi have a possibility of being related? Some cheating going on I see, that's why Shin's mom has such a disgust towards Hiromi. I was so happy when Shin finally confronted both his mother and Hiromi about the subject. Was such a nice shocker to have Shin's mom turn around to see him there. But I really hope they aren't, even though I disliked Hiromi for a bit and wanted Shin to end up with Noe, I really want Shin and Hiromi to end up together.

I think things are going quite fast, it's barely halfway through the series and chaos is everywhere. It's intense! I'm loving this series, best I've seen in awhile. Saturdays always have the best animes on, can always look forward to Saturdays!

[Wavedash]

I was originally more of Kaoru's opinion when the idea was brought up episodes earlier that Hiromi and Shin had some blood relation.

Spoiler for ep 6:

With this one, it seems there's little doubt left. I would personally like that small bit of uncertainty to bear out because I prefer Hiromi.

Ending it with Noe was a good thing. We had just been treated to about 10 minutes of solid emotional litter and needed something to lift us up...and what better than Noe shaking her cute rear to her usual song?

Just had a thought though...what if Hiromi lied again? She was left crying to herself and (probably) calling herself an awful person. This reminded me strongly of the end of the ep where she told Tomoyo she had nothing for Shin.

While I am in no way bashing the animation, which was splendid as always, there was no particular lipsynching in this ep (ichatta). The best example of that for me is still the animation in the opening scene of Kamichu.

[Manji Midou]

Originally Posted by Wavedash

Spoiler for ep 6:

Just had a thought though...what if Hiromi lied again? She was left crying to herself and (probably) calling herself an awful person. This reminded me strongly of the end of the ep where she told Tomoyo she had nothing for Shin.

Spoiler:

There's no reason or anything for her to gain this time around for her to lie about it, most likely her thinking she is half related to shin has her iin tears knowing that they can't ever be a couple, which is good!!!! Go Noe!!! Go Aiko!!!

[golthin]

Originally Posted by Manji Midou

Spoiler:

There's no reason or anything for her to gain this time around for her to lie about it, most likely her thinking she is half related to shin has her iin tears knowing that they can't ever be a couple, which is good!!!! Go Noe!!! Go Aiko!!!

My second perfect score, Incredible how they were able to surpass episode 5. I would give this episode a 11 if there were such score. This show is getting better and better. Congratulations to all the people that came with the theory that was revealed in this episode. Though it might still be possible that is not true.

[jaisrh]

Just watched episode 6.

Spoiler for episode 6 spoiler:

The revelation was not that surprising since it has been hinted at for a while now. I could see it coming but that does'nt mean it was confirmed that Hiromi is Shinichiro's half-sister. They probably haven't done a blood test. Instead they probably acted on a strong suspicion based on the knowledge that Shinichiro's father had an affair with Hiromi's mother close to the time of her conception. I feel a blood test coming in a few episodes.

Nobuse finally gets a clue. Looks like he did'nt realize it before but now he realizes all the hints he's had about Shin and Aiko.

I wonder why Hiromi agreed to the date? She could have said no.

Originally Posted by cloudninja

Spoiler for episode 7 preview:

It looks like Hiromi can't let go of her feelings. Cat fight with Noe! I'm buying tickets to that one.

Noe goes crying to her brother Jun for comfort. Maybe this is what Jun wanted all along...

Spoiler for comment on episode 7 preview spoiler:

I wonder if Aiko will mix it up with Noe and/or Hiromi as well at some point.

I knew that creepy Jun was a perv

[jaisrh]

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

Spoiler for episode 6 spoiler:

So what I'm saying is I think Shin's mom told Hiromi that she actually is Shin's half-sister. This means that the tragedy is that she can never be his girlfriend. No ifs, ands, or buts. No wishful thinking by those who prefer Hiromi. Brother and sister.

Spoiler for about above spoiler:

She may have told Hiromi that but what was her knowledge based on? An actual blood test? Or just a strong suspicion based on the knowledge that Shin's father had an affair with Hiromi's mother near the time of conception? That would make a big difference. The fact that Shin was never told of this is maybe because the subject is so painful that they (Shin's parents) could'nt agree to do a blood test because one or both were afraid of the outcome even if there was a chance Hiromi was'nt his daughter. So they chose to live in silence over the matter instead. It's hard to imagine Hiromi keeping strong romantic feelings alive and acting on them if she knew with 100% certainty that they are siblings. Makes more sense to be conflicted but still have those feelings and act upon them if there's still some doubt about the matter.

[golthin]

Originally Posted by jaisrh

Spoiler for about above spoiler:

She may have told Hiromi that but what was her knowledge based on? An actual blood test? Or just a strong suspicion based on the knowledge that Shin's father had an affair with Hiromi's mother near the time of conception? That would make a big difference. The fact that Shin was never told of this is maybe because the subject is so painful that they (Shin's parents) could'nt agree to do a blood test because one or both were afraid of the outcome even if there was a chance Hiromi was'nt his daughter. So they chose to live in silence over the matter instead. It's hard to imagine Hiromi keeping strong romantic feelings alive and acting on them if she knew with 100% certainty that they are siblings. Makes more sense to be conflicted but still have those feelings and act upon them if there's still some doubt about the matter.

well,

Spoiler for episode 6 about hiromi revelation:

hiromi or Shin has to request a blood test so they can finaly move on! Now I can understand hiromi's dilenma. She has been in love with Shin all this time, and when she comes to the live with him, she is told that she "might" be Shin half sister. She has been keeping all this inside her for all the time living there. The events with jun finally break her up. I don't blame her anymore for lying. I actually like her now more.

Another case of misdirection, very well done! We all thought that the "Sore nan no Jodan"
was for another reason!

[Kaoru Chujo]

I see that people who like Hiromi are still holding out hope. Well, maybe. As you speculate, it is possible it is just a suspicion -- but Shin's mom appears to believe it's true, anyway. I don't think it's something she would choose to believe if there were any real chance it wasn't so.

And Hiromi does call herself a bad person after she has made the revelation, but I think that's for the revelation, not for any lie. This is her reaching her, limit, blowing up at her aunt, loving her brother's defense of her, and feeling unable to keep her mouth shut about the truth, which she knows will make him very unhappy, as it does her.

I saw Jun's sensitivity to Hiromi's reaction about Shin/Noe as boding well. He's a tough lad, but I haven't seen evil yet. I thought that Hiromi was affected by him, at least pheromonally. She may yearn for Shin, but I don't think she's immune to Jun's charms. Maybe they both will learn that they can love someone other than their sibling.

As for predictability, I think there are many ways this show could have gone or could go now. If we happen to have thought of one thing that did come true, that doesn't mean the show is predictable, just that it's consistent. Events seeming to happen out of the blue is what I object to. In any case, I find unpredictable plot events much less entertaining than rich and consistent characters, as monir said.

And since jaisrh quoted my previous comments in a spoiler, I thought I'd mention why I didn't put them in a spoiler originally. (Not that I'm objecting at all.) This thread is for episode 6, so I don't think spoilers should be necessary for events in episode 6. Personally, I never read these one-episode threads until I've seen the episode. And I see nothing in post #1 that prohibits information from the episode itself, just for future episodes. Anyway, I know other people may feel differently, so I thought I'd expose my own thinking in case anyone had an opinion. As far as I'm concerned, we can all just keep doing whatever we're individually comfortable with.

[UPR]

One thing I could see next ep.

Shin will question his father about the situation.

There is one thing that makes me think the situation is not true.

I can't see Hiromi and Shin have very strong feelings for each other to just have them end with different people and be happy. And also they can't possibly stretch out this through 7 ep. Can They? that would mean the plot would be stuck in one place. And this team has done a great job up to this point that leads me to believe this 'controversy' will end within the next 2-3 ep leaving 3-4 other ep for something else.

[issei]

i usually stay away from this kind of series, but i'm hooked, and episode 6 recapitulates the attraction to the narrative. on the vonnegut chart, the story's zig-zagging in not-entirely-unexpected-but-still-enjoyable ways. i really empathize with nobuse and aiko for very different reasons, and it'll be interesting to see how that tangent develops in 7+.

[serenade_beta]

Originally Posted by golthin

Another case of misdirection, very well done! We all thought that the "Sore nan no Jodan"
was for another reason!

Not all of us~~

Spoiler for post from episode 5 thread:

Originally Posted by serenade_beta, episode 5 thread

Preview: What... kind of joke is that? By Shinichirou
Assuming Hiromi is somehow related by blood to Shinichirou, this could be the line he says when she tells him that.

[golthin]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Not all of us~~

well, most people thought that it was the reaction from Shin to Aiko!