2009-03-06, 19:41 | Link #4021 |
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he takes over the entire britannian empire in a matter of days
all becouse he doesnt mind massive brainwashing of the army and royal court to be his puppets thats a matter of morals rather then writing
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2009-03-06, 20:03 | Link #4023 |
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and that has WHAT to do with it
his actions are still completely immoral well intentioned, but immoral nonetheless and that wasnt the point i was trying to make at all his geass is much stronger then most and both his parents had geass too could this mean that he has stronger effinity for it
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2009-03-06, 20:28 | Link #4025 | |
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Mao's and Rolo's are pretty up there too. Mao's ability to read people's minds was a real obstacle for Lelouch and he proved to be a formidable opponent. Rolo's "time freeze" was pretty useful too, though it loses points for stopping his heart. Still, in terms of applicability and variability, I think Lelouch's wins out in usefulness. And Charles' and Marianne's Geass's were a joke. They weren't Geass's so much as they were plot devices, only useful when the situation demanded it. Oh, and Bismarck's Geass; dumbest thing I've ever heard. |
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2009-03-06, 20:34 | Link #4026 | |
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Lelouch held a "semi-moral" ground with Geass, if i can call it like this, giving only one order at a time that would not tie the person more into the consequences. It goes back to what he said Kallen in R2-2, "the heart belongs to you". That applied to a lot of people back then, he did not want, nor needed to make everyone his puppet at that point. But yes, when ZR kicks in, he throws away this "semi-morality" to gain the results. |
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2009-03-06, 20:40 | Link #4027 | |
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But you are right that, at the time, it wasn't practical or ethical for Lelouch to do it (but he could still force them to commit suicide no problem XD), I was just using that as an example to demonstrate it's capabilities. Last edited by Nobodyman9; 2009-03-06 at 20:54. |
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2009-03-06, 20:49 | Link #4028 | |
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Different levels of moral. |
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2009-03-08, 17:00 | Link #4029 |
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there is a difference in saying that someone would do a specific task (even if it kills them) to telling someone that from now on they will be your pawns from the rest of their lives and using them as cannon fodder
at least in my book and while on the subject i watched the new watchmen movie last night and from the looks of things lelouch had read the comics
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2009-03-08, 19:14 | Link #4030 | |
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2009-03-09, 02:52 | Link #4032 |
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and UN-NEEDED end
he didnt NEED to do all those things he could have brought peace to the world by having britannia join the UFN for real and just be a good emperor for the rest of his life and show people that its much better to have peace then war stopping shnizel and the damocle would have been (by default) much easier to achive if he WASNT fighting the OOBK and shnizel AT THE SAME TIME (his action in ep22 insured he would be fighting the OOBK before he ever started to move against shnizel) and if he wanted a hate figure that the world can lay the blame on - his father fits right in he chose ZERO-R not becouse it was needed but becouse HE wanted to do it the ends justify the means only when the ends are in themselves justified you cant say "i did what i had to do" if you didnt actually HAD to do it and again that wasnt the point
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2009-03-10, 20:20 | Link #4034 |
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That old saying by Lord Acton rings true:"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." What distinguishes Lelouch is the fact that he is aware of it, and in the end chooses to relinquish it, by killing himself, no less. He could very well choose to enslave the world, and I think that he knows that deep within him, that thought is calling out to him.
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2009-03-10, 20:22 | Link #4035 | |
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2009-03-10, 20:38 | Link #4037 |
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He did ZR to focus the world's hatred onto himself and take both all of it, along with himself, out of existence. If any of it doesn't make sense, it's the writing.
Here's another thing though, people are creatures of habit. They don't seek change outside of times of crisis (see: the past several years leading up to the election of Obama in a general sense). Hardly anyone in Britannia thought much about what Charles was doing because things were going just fine for them. Not to mention that the Social Darwinist system saw to it that discrimination against "numbers" was perfectly acceptable. That's why Lelouch chose to be an equal opportunity offender. The only question that remains is of whether or not he took it too far, but of course, any issues should be mainly taken up with the writing. |
2009-03-10, 20:47 | Link #4039 |
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No. "Numbers" refers to people living in a nation occupied by Britannia, which is then stripped of its name and national identity and is renamed as a numbered Area. Japan, in the series' prologue, was renamed Area 11, and its citizens Elevens, when it was occupied. Another example would be the beginning of episode 5 of season 1, when Cornelia and her forces occupied Saudi Arabia, which was then redubbed Area 18.
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