[Game] Umineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru - Ep. 7 Requiem of the golden witch

[LyricalAura]

I remembered another strange thing about the chapel scene with Shannon: Will and Bern were talking in the upper layer chapel, and Will remained there all the way up until Leon arrived. How did Shannon even hear them from the lower layer reception area in the first place, let alone actually get inside?

Maybe she was deliberately moved there by Bern to feed Will some information?

[Used Can]

So, I just finished the whole episode... C'mon R07, don't go for the perfect end, everyone is nice.
I liked Rudolph and Kyrie as the murderers.
Damn it Battler.

[Realus]

I don't care about everyone else!
I just want Ange to have a happy end. Let Battler come home!

Lol, not really. I'd be fine with a 17 survivor, or 0 survivor ending. As long as it's done well.

I'm really hoping against how the Tea Party went down.
Especially about

Spoiler for Tea Party:

Greed being the motivator, and just the Bomb theory in general.

One thing I though of though...

When George was handing out Battler's letters. What's the chance that he didn't give Shannon a letter that was actually there?
Like, he took his, and Shannon's. Then passed the rest out.

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I have some questions I hope someone with a better understanding can help me with though!

Spoiler for Yasu, and relationship between characters:

If I understood correctly...
Beatrice 1 + Kinzo = Beatrice 2
Beatrice 2 + Kinzo = Yasu
Right?

Now, Yasu = Baby given to Natsuhi who fell off the cliff?
(Because, this is a 1/2.5mil miracle. Normally the baby dies?)

Yasu =/= Shannon.
Because Yasu is the "new employee, 10 years younger then everyone else" And Shannon was roommates with Yasu even. So they can't be one in the same?

Yasu = Beatrice
When possessed by Gaap, and used magic. He/She gave up servant life, and became the witch of the night.

Shannon = Beatrice
Because she gave her love of Battler to Beatrice to safekeep?
Besides, Yasu acts more like how Shannon is normally. (Aka, Clumsy. And always getting scolded by Natsuhi)

Shannon =?= Kanon
Obviously, Shkannon shouldn't have to be discussed.
But still, they just mentioned Shannon getting a younger brother to ease her pain. And scene cut.
Doesn't necessarily mean she created Kanon. He could have been a new employee.

Beatrice =?= Claire
(Was it just that Claire was in charge of the theater, and she was playing the part of Beatrice?

Beatrice = Leon
Kinzo was talking to Beatrice, and corrected himself to say Leon.

So...
Yasu = Beatrice3 = Shannon = Kannon = Claire = Leon = Grandchild of Kinzo and Beatrice 1

Please tell me I messed up somewhere?
And if not, why was there Yasu + Shannon back in 1980?

Wasn't Shannon (around) 12 at that time? And Yasu was 10 years younger then the other employees?
[Well, I may have messed up, and Yasu started before 1980. Then it proceeds to it eventually in story. So Yasu's age might match up with Shannon]

Or was Shannon (or Yasu) a figment of the other's imagination. (Rather, Pesonality. If that makes it any better. Such as Shannon+Kanon compared to Sayo)

[Edit] And if Yasu = Shannon, and the rest of it is true. What about the 6 other games where the baby is killed? [/Edit]

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And offtopic, but still slightly ontopic because of Claire.
I must have missed it, but where does it say she was Will's wife? And the portait painter?

I'm pretty sure I didn't come across that text in story. (Or maybe I did and forgot)
I didn't really read the tips, but I didn't see "SSVD" or "Willard H Wright" and such in her tips.

Spoiler for White text battle!:

Was anything really said here?
Claire brings up Game X, Twilight X.
Then Will counters with Ashes to Ashes, Dust to Dust.
And says a single line per twilight to counter it.

Example of 1st game, 1st twilight

「第１のゲーム、第一の晩。園芸倉庫に、６人の死体。」

「幻は幻に。

……土には帰れぬ骸が、幻に帰る。」

Now, I know Claire just said something like "1st Twilight of the 1st Game, The 6 Corpses in the Gardening Shed."

But I don't want to try embarrassing myself by attempting to give an English translation for Will's counter.

So I request if someone could translate his line, so I can imagine how that would be applied to the rest of the twilights.

Finally, they mentioned that problem with Battler's leaving wasn't that he left. But that he came back.
I didn't catch if they expanded on -why- Battler came back would trigger the catastrophe. I mean, I guess I can try to infer it for myself, but did they flat out mention the reason and did I miss it?

[TTR]

Realus, I believe it would be

Spoiler for White Text:

"Illusions are illusions. Corpses that can't return to the earth return as illusions."

I think?

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by Realus

When George was handing out Battler's letters. What's the chance that he didn't give Shannon a letter that was actually there?
Like, he took his, and Shannon's. Then passed the rest out.

I too thought of that possibility.

Originally Posted by Realus

Spoiler for Yasu, and relationship between characters:

If I understood correctly...
Beatrice 1 + Kinzo = Beatrice 2
Beatrice 2 + Kinzo = Yasu
Right?

Now, Yasu = Baby given to Natsuhi who fell off the cliff?
(Because, this is a 1/2.5mil miracle. Normally the baby dies?)

Yasu =/= Shannon.
Because Yasu is the "new employee, 10 years younger then everyone else" And Shannon was roommates with Yasu even. So they can't be one in the same?

Yasu = Beatrice
When possessed by Gaap, and used magic. He/She gave up servant life, and became the witch of the night.

Shannon = Beatrice
Because she gave her love of Battler to Beatrice to safekeep?
Besides, Yasu acts more like how Shannon is normally. (Aka, Clumsy. And always getting scolded by Natsuhi)

Shannon =?= Kanon
Obviously, Shkannon shouldn't have to be discussed.
But still, they just mentioned Shannon getting a younger brother to ease her pain. And scene cut.
Doesn't necessarily mean she created Kanon. He could have been a new employee.

Beatrice =?= Claire
(Was it just that Claire was in charge of the theater, and she was playing the part of Beatrice?

Beatrice = Leon
Kinzo was talking to Beatrice, and corrected himself to say Leon.

So...
Yasu = Beatrice3 = Shannon = Kannon = Claire = Leon = Grandchild of Kinzo and Beatrice 1

Please tell me I messed up somewhere?
And if not, why was there Yasu + Shannon back in 1980?

Wasn't Shannon (around) 12 at that time? And Yasu was 10 years younger then the other employees?
[Well, I may have messed up, and Yasu started before 1980. Then it proceeds to it eventually in story. So Yasu's age might match up with Shannon]

Or was Shannon (or Yasu) a figment of the other's imagination. (Rather, Pesonality. If that makes it any better. Such as Shannon+Kanon compared to Sayo)

[Edit] And if Yasu = Shannon, and the rest of it is true. What about the 6 other games where the baby is killed? [/Edit]

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And offtopic, but still slightly ontopic because of Claire.
I must have missed it, but where does it say she was Will's wife? And the portait painter?

I'm pretty sure I didn't come across that text in story. (Or maybe I did and forgot)
I didn't really read the tips, but I didn't see "SSVD" or "Willard H Wright" and such in her tips.

Basically, it's how you put it. The one who solved the Epitaph and became Beatrice was Yasu. Then when she meets Kinzo, he calls her Lyon, because that's the name he intended to give her.

About Shannon during 1980's, it's possible there was a real Shannon at some point, but after she left, Yasu made up an imaginary one.

The miracle Lyon was the one from the happy world - i.e. the one in which Natsuhi decides to adopt that baby.

Originally Posted by Realus

Spoiler for White text battle!:

Was anything really said here?
Claire brings up Game X, Twilight X.
Then Will counters with Ashes to Ashes, Dust to Dust.
And says a single line per twilight to counter it.

Example of 1st game, 1st twilight


Now, I know Claire just said something like "1st Twilight of the 1st Game, The 6 Corpses in the Gardening Shed."

But I don't want to try embarrassing myself by attempting to give an English translation for Will's counter.

So I request if someone could translate his line, so I can imagine how that would be applied to the rest of the twilights.

Finally, they mentioned that problem with Battler's leaving wasn't that he left. But that he came back.
I didn't catch if they expanded on -why- Battler came back would trigger the catastrophe. I mean, I guess I can try to infer it for myself, but did they flat out mention the reason and did I miss it?

Basically, whenever Will says "幻は幻に" it means there's trickery to that scene. For example, for EP1's second Twilight, the door wasn't actually locked. It's the same for the chapel's door during EP2's first twilight.

[Rias]

Originally Posted by Realus

I have some questions I hope someone with a better understanding can help me with though!

Spoiler for Yasu, and relationship between characters:

If I understood correctly...
Beatrice 1 + Kinzo = Beatrice 2
Beatrice 2 + Kinzo = Yasu
Right?

Now, Yasu = Baby given to Natsuhi who fell off the cliff?
(Because, this is a 1/2.5mil miracle. Normally the baby dies?)

Yasu =/= Shannon.
Because Yasu is the "new employee, 10 years younger then everyone else" And Shannon was roommates with Yasu even. So they can't be one in the same?

Yasu = Beatrice
When possessed by Gaap, and used magic. He/She gave up servant life, and became the witch of the night.

Shannon = Beatrice
Because she gave her love of Battler to Beatrice to safekeep?
Besides, Yasu acts more like how Shannon is normally. (Aka, Clumsy. And always getting scolded by Natsuhi)

Shannon =?= Kanon
Obviously, Shkannon shouldn't have to be discussed.
But still, they just mentioned Shannon getting a younger brother to ease her pain. And scene cut.
Doesn't necessarily mean she created Kanon. He could have been a new employee.

Beatrice =?= Claire
(Was it just that Claire was in charge of the theater, and she was playing the part of Beatrice?

Beatrice = Leon
Kinzo was talking to Beatrice, and corrected himself to say Leon.

So...
Yasu = Beatrice3 = Shannon = Kannon = Claire = Leon = Grandchild of Kinzo and Beatrice 1

Please tell me I messed up somewhere?
And if not, why was there Yasu + Shannon back in 1980?

Wasn't Shannon (around) 12 at that time? And Yasu was 10 years younger then the other employees?
[Well, I may have messed up, and Yasu started before 1980. Then it proceeds to it eventually in story. So Yasu's age might match up with Shannon]

Or was Shannon (or Yasu) a figment of the other's imagination. (Rather, Pesonality. If that makes it any better. Such as Shannon+Kanon compared to Sayo)

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And offtopic, but still slightly ontopic because of Claire.
I must have missed it, but where does it say she was Will's wife? And the portait painter?

I'm pretty sure I didn't come across that text in story. (Or maybe I did and forgot)
I didn't really read the tips, but I didn't see "SSVD" or "Willard H Wright" and such in her tips.

There's a lot of different versions of Beatrice, so you have to watch out which one you are talking about. Also, if Yasu does have multiple personalities, there exists many persona within.

Spoiler for ep7:

Yasu (Beatrice the 3rd, child of Beatrice the 2nd + Kinzo), is indeed the baby that was given to Natushi. Beatrice the 3rd fell down the cliff within a couple days under Natsuhi's care (only in the super rare chance that Natushi actually accepts the baby that Beatrice the 3rd becomes the scucessor, Lion). However, Genji has said that the baby survived, was treated by Nanjo, and was hidden at the orphanage. There the baby was given the nickname, Yasu.

Yasu = Shannon
If you look at the time line, and the events happened later, you can see that Yasu = Shannon. Yasu is depicted as "too young to be a servant" and "not the regular age of junior/senior high students". Shannon left the orphanage and joined the family at age 6 (from ep2? 3?).

Yasu = Claire
Years after, Yasu decided to be the "Rule of the night of Rokkenjima", thus Claire. Yasu "goes away", and Shannon remains.

Here's the messy part: Heartbroken Shannon.

Claire moves the loving heart from Shannon to Beato (was there 2 Beato here? I think it was another Beato who played with Maria, but it should still be Beatrice the 3rd who was doing it.). In return, Claire says Shannon would get a brother soon, which later turns out to be Kanon. Although I've been supporting the theory of Shannon=Kanon since ep4, I don't think this is the final nail to the coffin. Many events and clues sides with the theory, and more appear in ep7, but there's still no absolute confirmation for that.

Beato = Beatrice, the next head of the family.
After solving the epitaph, Beato was given the family head title, and the title of Beatrice.

Therefore, it's probably something like:
,,,,,,,,Beatrice the 3rd = "Happy" Lion (very rare case)
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,||
,Claire = Yasu (most of the time) = Shannon = (most likely) Kanon
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ||
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Beat o = Beatrice = Lion (name given by Kinzo)

Due to the fantasy nature of the whole sequence, it's probably the safest to use "Beatrice the 3rd" for most human events. It's "Beatrice the 3rd" who fell in love with Battler, solved the epitaph, pretend to be Beatrice to play with Maria, and so on.

[Used Can]

You forgot Gaap, who is the one that was originally called Beato by Yasu.

[Disz]

We have to remember that Virgilia/Kumasuwa was the former Beatrice,which means the first one to ever solve it was Kumasuwa.Which also means Kumasuwa passes the title.

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by Disz

We have to remember that Virgilia/Kumasuwa was the former Beatrice,which means the first one to ever solve it was Kumasuwa.Which also means Kumasuwa passes the title.

The epitaph was posted in 1984. Kumasawa never solved it. The first one to do it was Yasu.

All Kumasawa did, quite likely, was to introduce Yasu into the whole magic deal.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Used Can

All Kumasawa did, quite likely, was to introduce Yasu into the whole magic deal.

She probably also helped to write the epitaph, given her extensive notes on it.

[Used Can]

Yeah, that's possible. Considering she even had pictures about the chapel's door in her house.

Anyway, during EP7's Tea Party, was Battler's death confirmed?

Kyrie was set to kill Maria and Rudolph was supposed to convince Battler to join them or kill him if he refused. However, Eva killed Rudolph and then she killed Kyrie after Kyrie had killed Maria.

Do we have any info on Battler's status?

[Klashikari]

There is none. Actually, it is perhaps yet another mystery about Battler.
The point is that Battler sure took his time to join Rudolf, before the latter got revenge killed by Eva.

I first thought it was Kyrie who killed him, stalking behind him when he left the guesthouse (even if she put that test on Rudolf, perhaps she just didn't bother in the end), but the narration certainly didn't hint that one bit.

So it is very likely that Battler found something that distracted him or even made him avoid being killed. The problem is to figure what or... "who".

[MeoTwister5]

I should say that given the entire extent as to how Yasu apparently suffers from Dissociative Identity Disorder, even though many of the patterns do not fit the classic profile that R07 is apparently using for his own ends, it suddenly hit me that when you consider the possibility of a "controlling personality" (Yasu?) that has some degree of control over the subservient personalities (Shannon/Kanon?/Claire/Beatrice/etc.), it reminds me of a character from a video game:

Fei Fong Wong of Xenogears

Considering that the profiling for Fei is complete, similar patterns might be derived from them. Fei, and apparently Yasu, from their base personalities use a method of "layering" personalities on top of each other as a response to external stimuli. Yasu layers newly created personalities as a response to events around him/her, all the while a base personality is able to control the manifestations from behind the scenes.

Psychological speaking this is probably not unheard of. A strong omniscient personality governing them, like Fei did in the form of Id, would have had the ability to control not only who manifests when but also control the access of each personality to the collective memory pool of the individual: some might only have memories when they are the manifested personality, some might get bits and pieces, while the dominant controller has access to everything.

This might be the explanation as to how, throughout the games, there seems to be a radical shifting between personalities almost at will and yet hinted that the manifested personalities are not aware of each other, because a controller is consciously planning who is presented, when, how, for some means to an end.

Similarly to Fei, his original personality hid away and abandoned control and exposure to the sub personalities while still maintaining an observership role that can see the experiences of the other personalities but itself no longer made manifest. For Yasu, the suggestion of a hidden observer personality might not be far fetched, as a personality who has abandoned an active role and let the other personalities take control.

The question becomes, if the real Yasu of 19 years ago that had been abandoned has locked himself away, which of the other personalities is the dominant one?

Again, this is all speculation on the assumption the multiple personality shtick is valid.

Crap I may be on to something here. Time to finish the game and get my psychiatry textbook.

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

There is none. Actually, it is perhaps yet another mystery about Battler.
The point is that Battler sure took his time to join Rudolf, before the latter got revenge killed by Eva.

Yeah, I thought the same thing. We see him going out of the guesthouse and complaining, but he never reached the chapel.

Either way, perhaps this confirms that Battler is Amakusa?

Originally Posted by Klashikari

I first thought it was Kyrie who killed him, stalking behind him when he left the guesthouse (even if she put that test on Rudolf, perhaps she just didn't bother in the end), but the narration certainly didn't hint that one bit.

So it is very likely that Battler found something that distracted him or even made him avoid being killed. The problem is to figure what or... "who".

I wonder if Lyon did it, but all the same, Kyrie supposedly killed her. I don't think she can be that bad of a shooter and fail twice.

Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

Psychological speaking this is probably not unheard of.

I've actually asked several people who I believe knowledgeable on the subject, and all of them have told me DID doesn't work this way. At best, and this is rather rare, you get a personality that may be aware of the other ones, but that's as far as it goes.

If Yasu indeed suffers from DID, then Ithink we'll just have to accept that this is R07's own take on the matter and changed the way it works, as most writers in fiction do.

[Luxuria]

1 question coming from a concerned citizen. lol.

Does Will & Lion actually die in the end?

[Dormeur]

I don't know where I should post this into, but...

On a talk show, Ryukishi mentioned that Umineko would be complete this winter.

Whole text in Japanse is here.
I believe you guys already read EP7 can read this.
Sorry for my laziness.

Spoiler for size and Higurashi:

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11758605
(account required)

「一迅社トークライブonニコ生」より

司会者：今井麻美（声優）、小此木（一迅社「キャラ★メル Febri」編集長）
ゲスト：竜騎士07（『うみねこのなく頃に』作者）
場所：コミックマーケット78　会場（東京ビッグサイト）

日時：2010年8月15日　13時～13時30分

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（注：最初の4分は録画から欠落）

今井麻美：もうこんなに、ぼーんとお名前も出ていらっしゃって、もうみんなが、「あ、ひぐらし！」みたいな 感じなのに、ひょっとしてまだ、自分でゴロゴロやってるんですか？
竜騎士07：そうですね。
今井麻美：えーっ。
竜騎士07：ゴロゴロっていうか、はい。いまだに、あのう、売り子の女性陣に「段ボール捨ててこい」って言 われて段ボールを……
今井麻美：すごーい。それがちょっと見たかったですね。私としては。
竜騎士07：（笑い）
今井麻美：ま、でも確かに、もうコミケ歴は長くてらっしゃるんですか。
竜騎士07：いや、まだそんな、10年もやってないんで……
今井麻美：長いです！
竜騎士07：いや、ホント長い先輩方はね、15年、17年行ってますんで。
今井麻美：（会場に向かって）え、今会場に居るみんなでもう10年、15年来てるって人いる？　あー、いる ねー。
竜騎士07：（会場に向かって）あー、やっぱ結構いますね。
今井麻美：ひょっとしたら、じゃあ、竜騎士さんより先輩かもしれませんね。
竜騎士07：そうですね。先輩ですね。参加者の先輩ですね。

（略）

小此木：ゾンビに熱いね、対する、竜騎士さんが、思いがあるということで……　（注：「ゾンビに対して竜騎 士さんは熱い思いがある」と言いたいらしい）
竜騎士07：（笑い）
今井麻美：へー。えっ、それはいわゆる、こう、ドンドーン、って撃つ系のゾンビ？
竜騎士07：そうですね。
今井麻美：ですよね。たぶん私、やったことあると思うんですけど、あの、本当に下手だったんですけどひょっ として、竜騎士さんはプロ級の、ハンターだったりするんですか。「パンパーン！」
竜騎士07：下手糞ですけどね。
今井麻美：あ、そうなんですか。
竜騎士07：はい。私は、あのぅ、今日のコミケの人の波が、全部ゾンビだったら楽しいなと思ってる口でござ います。
今井麻美：（会場に向かって）うわあ、みんな帰りは気を付けて！　狙われちゃうよー。（笑い）
小此木：怖いこと言うなあ。（笑い）
今井麻美：でも今日は本当に暑いので、もう、ちょっと放っておいたら自分の体がね、腐敗臭がしてくるんじゃ ないかと思って、ハラハラしてるんですけど。
小此木：いやいや、かぐわしいいい匂いがきっと……
竜騎士07：（笑い）
今井麻美：いやいや、そしたら後ろから竜騎士さんに狙われちゃったりするかもしれないですよ。
竜騎士07：こうやって……、いやいやいや。（笑い）
今井麻美：へー、じゃあ、ゾンビがお好き？
竜騎士07：そうですね。ゾンビっていうかそういう、なんて言うんですかね、あのー、日常と非現実が入れ替 わるような。私たちのよく知っている町が、非日常になるような、そういうのが好きなんですよ。
今井麻美：なるほど。あ、だから、「ひぐらし」とかも、ああいう、平和そうに見せかけておいての大惨劇なわ けですね。
竜騎士07：そういうタイプが好きなんですよ。

（略）

今井麻美：小此木さん、実は「ひぐらし」とも縁が深いんですよね。
小此木：「ひぐらし」と縁が深くて……何かピンと来ている人はね、まさにその小此木でございます。元ネタで す。気づいたら、コミケ行ったら、なんか知り合いの作家さんに、「犯人だったんだって？」って言われて、「 はあっ！？」なんて話をしたら、竜騎士さんに言ったら、犯人になってた。
今井麻美：あれは、小此木さんをモデルに書かれたんですか。
竜騎士07：えっと、あのぅ、「ひぐらし」の頃はですね、あのぅ、たくさんの人にお世話になってたんで、あ のぅ、いろんな方に感謝の気持ちを込めて、いろいろキャラクターに、関係者の名前を付けて回っ たんですよ。
今井麻美：なるほど。
竜騎士07：で、その後、小此木さんにも大変お世話になってたんで、じゃあひょいっとってことで「小此木」 ってキャラをつけてしまったんですよ。
今井麻美：珍しいお名前なのでね、あまり見かけるお名前ではない中、「小此木」と小此木さんだったので、「 あれ、なんか関係あるのかな」とは思ってたんですけど、まさか本当だったとは思わなかったんで すけど。
小此木：本当だったんです。ネタじゃなかった。
今井麻美：犯人になってみていかがですか。
小此木：まさかね、あんなに格好よくなるとは思いませんでしたけど。
今井麻美：確かに、ちょっと格好良すぎかなと。あと、年齢大分上がってますね。
小此木：ええ、これからちょっとね、方言勉強しないと。「このダラズがぁ」みたいな。
今井麻美：へー。いつか、私も出してください。キャラで。
小此木：キャラで！？
今井麻美：キャラで。
小此木：声優じゃなくて！？
今井麻美：ああ、そうか、そういう考え方もあったか。ははははは……
小此木：普通そっちそっち！
今井麻美：でも、今井麻美っていうキャラクターが出てきて、これ犯人だったら、激萌えですよ私 的には。
竜騎士07：でもうちの作品に出ると、ろくでもない死に方しますよ。
今井麻美：マジですか？
竜騎士07：ええ、うちの作品は何回も殺されることで有名なんで。（笑い）
今井麻美：あー。嫌いじゃないですねー。（笑い）

今井麻美：いやー、でもホントね、すごい、そんなみなさんが集まって愛情をこめて作っていらっしゃる作品だ からこそ、今でもね、ファンの方が根強くいらっしゃるということだと思うんですけども。あと、先生にもちょ っとお伺いしたいのが、「先生って、どんな女の子が好きなんですか」。
竜騎士07：すごく難しい質問ですね。（笑い）
今井麻美：やっぱ、あんだけ、かわいい女の子とかいろんなタイプの女の子が、原作の方に出てらっしゃるとい うことで、実は、どの子が一番タイプとか、こういう子が好きでこういう子を入れてみたんだとかあるかな、と 思って。
竜騎士07：あー……難しいですね。いやあ、はっはっは。えー、いろんなキャラクターのタイプの女の子を描 いてきたんですけど、私はその、すごい、あの、私個人がですね、面倒くさがり屋で、こう、朝は起きれないし 、ご飯も、なんか食べるくらいなら面倒くさいからポテトチップスで済ませちゃったりとか、なんかそういう人 間なんで、僕はきっと、朝はフライパンでガンガンってやって起こしてくれる、そういう……
今井麻美：おお。幼馴染系ですね。
竜騎士07：いやー。幼馴染って言うよりは、母ちゃんタイプ。
今井麻美：母ちゃんタイプ！　えっ、年上がいいですか？
竜騎士07：いや、年齢は問わないですよ。要するに気概って言うんですか。私がボヤボヤしてて、あのぅ、「 お風呂入るのが面倒くさいから寝る！」って言うと、耳をつねって風呂場まで連行してくれるような。「お風呂 入りなさい！」って。
今井麻美：「タケシー！」じゃないですか。（注：『ドラえもん』のジャイアンの母の真似）
竜騎士07：でも何と言おうと、かわいくて、素敵な人だったらいいですね。
今井麻美：うんうん、なるほど。いろいろね、先生ってどんな人なんだろうって。作品読んでると、結構、いつ も何考えてるか分からない寡黙な方なのかなーって思ってたんですけども、すごくなんかこう、フレンドリーな 感じの、こう、明るい感じの中に狂気を秘めてるかもしれないっていう。そこがまた、そそられま すね。
竜騎士07：（笑い）
小此木：そうですね。本当に竜騎士先生は明るい方で、お話もすごく大好き、かつ、超上手みたいなね。いつも 話を聞いていると、すごい楽しいことを上手に話すなあと思ってるんですけど、確かに、一瞬キラッと怖い。（ 笑い）
今井麻美：そうなんですね。
小此木：何かある、みたいなね。
今井麻美：だってああいうことを、私、割とボヤっとしている人なんで、思いつきもしないですもん。「なんか 怖いことを考えて」って言われても、すごいたかが知れていることしか考えられないですからね。道歩いてて車 に跳ねられるとか。その程度のことしか思い浮かばないので。
竜騎士07：十分怖いですよ。
今井麻美：まあ確かに、リアルですからね。逆にね。……いやあ、すごいなあ、って。一度その、頭の中をね、 覗いてみたいなあ、なんて。
竜騎士07：意外とつまんないですよ。ゲームのことばっかり入ってますよ。（笑い）
今井麻美：ええっ。そうなんですか。

今井麻美：というわけでですね、まだまだたくさんお伺いしたいこと、あるんですけども、最後になりましたが 、先生の方から、じゃあ番組をご覧のみなさん、会場にいるみなさんにメッセージを頂きたいんですが、何かあ りますでしょうか。
竜騎士07：（会場に向かって）そうですね、この、すごく暑いのに、みなさん、いや、汗かいてますけど、よ くこれだけお元気でここまでいらっしゃってるんで、みなさん体調に気を付けて、そしてこれからも一緒にコミ ケで頑張っていきましょう。よろしくお願いします。どうもありがとうございます。
今井麻美：はい、小此木さんからも編集長として何かありますか。
小此木：何かすいませんね、こんなことでお話ししちゃって。でも、ホントにこんなに多くの方が、あの来てく ださって、うれしいですね。で、「キャラ☆メル」、そういったところで、ゾンビの話をですね、もっと拡大し て、深く深く掘り下げた竜騎士さんのトークが炸裂してる内容となっていると思いますんで、是非楽しみにして いただければと思います。

（略）

今井麻美：じゃあ、もう一度、コミケについて、みなさんの思いを聞かせていただきたいなと思うんですが。コ ミケとは？　「コミケとは……」という思いを。
竜騎士07：いやぁ……自己表現の場じゃないかと思うんですよね。やっぱり……いや、自己表現の場というか 、自分が一番正直になれる場所っていうか。私も勤め人だったころ、職場の人は真面目な堅気の人ばっかりだっ たんで、職場では僕も、「いやあ、コミケなんて、まともな人間の行くところじゃないですね、ハハハ」って言 って、上っ面だけ合わせたんですけど、心の中ではしゃあしゃあと、「あの、すいません。実は13、14、1 5と、田舎の実家に帰りますんで、あの、すみません、休みを」とか。一番ひどかったときで、「祟殺し編」の 時だったかな。あん時、本当に、このコミケ会場の東館の3ホールかなんかで携帯電話を持って「あの、すみま せん、今日は体調悪くて、はい、今日は"夏休"で、はい、お願いします」って電話したんですけ ど……
今井麻美：先生、それ後ろの声とか音とかでバレバレですよ！
竜騎士07：いや、だから電話をしているときに、「探し物は何ですか～♪」って流れたら絶望的だったなあ、 と思って、冷や冷やしました。懐かしい思い出です。
今井麻美：うわあ、すごいですね、それね。
竜騎士07：いやあ、ひょっとすると、今日こうしていらっしゃってる方々の中にもね、表向きは今日勤務日だ った人とかいるんじゃないですか。
今井麻美：（会場に向かって）いますか、いますか。
竜騎士07：（会場に向かって）ああ、猛者がいた。（笑い）
今井麻美：いやあ、でもそんな中来てくださってありがたいですよね。じゃあ、次回の冬コミなんかも、先生は 何かコミケは考えていらっしゃるんですか。
竜騎士07：そうですね。あのー、自分が発表している「うみねこのなく頃に」という作品が、この冬で完結の 予定なんで。いよいよ。あのぅ、だから私の中では入道雲の向こうにもう冬コミが見えている状態なんで。はい 、頑張って執筆します。
今井麻美：大変だ！　そうですね。あの、行ってみたら、「あれっ、先生が謝っている看板がある！」みたいな ことがないように……
竜騎士07：ええーっ！（笑い）
今井麻美：（笑い）
竜騎士07：リアルですね。（笑い）
今井麻美：リアルで怖いですね。（笑い）　（看板が）ないように、（EP8が）あったら嬉しいなと思います んで、お体に気を付けて頑張ってください。
竜騎士07：頑張ります。

（略）

[MeoTwister5]

Originally Posted by Used Can

I've actually asked several people who I believe knowledgeable on the subject, and all of them have told me DID doesn't work this way. At best, and this is rather rare, you get a personality that may be aware of the other ones, but that's as far as it goes.

If Yasu indeed suffers from DID, then Ithink we'll just have to accept that this is R07's own take on the matter and changed the way it works, as most writers in fiction do.

Yeah as I said classical DID does not work this way, but the formation mechanisms have some similarities. Personality formation under this disorder stems from stimuli and not from a conscious control of personality formation that goes so far as to be able to create completely discrete and different entities at one's desire. If this was even remotely possible then you'd think a lot more people would be capable of this.

Assuming R07 plans to stick to actual psychiatry, the most probable explanation of an overarching personality would be purely incidental, as in while we could consider Yasu as the core personality, it was only by pure chance that the core personality ended up being capable of being witness to the other personalities he formed as defense mechanisms to his experiences. Direct control is likely to be completely impossible even in fiction, and it is just as likely that whoever the more dominant personality is, his awareness at most only allows him to use the switching situations to his advantage even if he does not control them rather than being able to switch them in and out at will.

Now assuming Ro7 decides to go pure fiction and rewrite the concept for his own ends, then all bets are off.

But this doesn't erase the fact that even in real psychology, a person with DID can have one of the personalities to be more subjectively dominant than the rest. As I questioned before, who is the more dominant one? There are times when I don't even think Yasu is the dominant personality.

[ArcticHelm]

That's an interesting point Meo. I think it seems to imply that the Beatrice personality is dominant as it always knows what the others are thinking before even they do. They only seem to try to 'resist' when they have a full fledged love with George/Jessica, but they seem to be aware that even if they don't do what Beatrice wants it probably will not matter anyways. Thus they just say they'll ignore her as a form of resistance or try to disrupt her image.

[AC-Phoenix]

Is that whole Kannon= Shannon thing confirmed by a red text?
I mean its obvious that she was Beatrice in EP one , but it somehow doesn't sound right...
There is a limit to naivety, even if we are talking about George....

It would work much better if it was the the other way around, but still questio

Edit: i also have a problem with some with it due to some Red-Blue conversations between Erika and Beato

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

But this doesn't erase the fact that even in real psychology, a person with DID can have one of the personalities to be more subjectively dominant than the rest. As I questioned before, who is the more dominant one? There are times when I don't even think Yasu is the dominant personality.

Hard to say, but in EP7 we saw Yasu coming up with everything. So, I think it's safe to assume she is, but who knows?

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

Is that whole Kannon= Shannon thing confirmed by a red text?

No, but it was made clear as day when Will asked Shannon to call for Kanon, and she BSOD'd.