2021-04-04, 00:53 | Link #21 |
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2021-04-04, 01:03 | Link #22 |
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ok, at first it give a sort of mixing of violete evergarden more modern and sci-fi, + some action, not saying which is bad it was good, poor diva this program is really a big scum wiling only to accept change what he want to change and not what she want to change.
now, i'm a lot confused with the end someone can help me? they go from shake hands in one frame to the kuma getting a big robot to beat diva, and let the little girl die, while somehow i could understand he don't want to change this the fact which they go from one thing to another without any explannation make it confuse ok let me see if i get it right, correct if i'm wrong. somehow diva find out about the little girl will gonna die and tried to run to save her but the kuma ai, decided to now allow her to save the girl because he don't want to "change too much the past" only what he's care???, well, where he got this big robot????, why she still working with him??? it was the version which i've watched which somehow cut part of the anime??? or was really it, they where shaking hands then in the next second he was beating her???? after that if i was in her place, in the moment he goes back to the kuma i could just had crushed him and make sure he knows i don't want to work with him anymore, while the end was a big twist still confuse because it feels they cut of everything which lead to this moment.
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As for Diva, we'll leave it for later on. Right now she claims that helping people is aligned with her mission, which would make her no different from Matsumoto, but that sounds like an excuse. It feels sus. Because her desperation when she was trying to save her human friend didn't feel like it was driven by her mission. It felt driven by raw emotion. Like she just wanted to save a friend, period. And I feel that's also what drives her to help Matsumoto, not her mission. But again, we'll leave it for later, when the show actually explores what makes her tick.
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2021-04-04, 01:49 | Link #24 |
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Yeah, I thought the cut to the fight at the airport was too abrupt. Here's what seems to have happened:
If you go back and watch and listen, right after Diva shakes Matsumoto's hand they do layer the sound of a passenger jet over the top of Diva staring off into the distance. That was meant to connect the handshake scene with the next scene at the airport hanger... but it didn't really do a good enough job. A short clip of Diva on her way to the airport or arriving at the airport with Matsumoto continuing to scold her about changing the past would have smoothed things out a lot.
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2021-04-04, 02:55 | Link #26 |
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Honestly, that bear bot gives me so many Kyubey vibes, it isn't even funny. And that thing in the end... how does he expect Vivy to not destroy him at the earliest convenience after letting her friend die and showing that he absolutely is capable of taking over machines to destroy her at any moment? In that moment, he basically proved all the terrorists point ten times over. If that little psycho doesn't turn into a form of Skynet later on, I'll be very surprised.
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2021-04-04, 03:31 | Link #27 |
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So, I'm a bit concerned about a potential plot hole I noticed already. Diva is supposed to make people happy with her song, and for that, people have to be alive. In fact, she said something to that effect in episode two, right? She also claimed she would help Matsumoto as long as that didn't interfere with her mission. Except, it already did, because he didn't let her save her friend, and now she won't be able to sing for her. Meaning he directly interfered with her mission. So what now? Is she gonna run away from him after all? Is she gonna rebel against him? Going by the preview, it doesn't look like it. So here's hoping they can explain in a convincing manner why she's gonna stay with him even though he already interfered with her mission, and probably will keep doing so. I really hope they can explain it because I would hate for a show with so much potential to fall prey to sloppy writing.
On a different note, I agree with magnuskn that Matsumoto is really sus. His tale doesn't even add up. He claims the androids in the future rebelled as a result of giving them more rights and freedom. But the scene at the beginning suggests otherwise. The androids didn't seem to be killing humans out of their free will. It looked more like they were controlled or going berserk for some reason. What gives it away is the emblem on their necks. It looked red, while its normal color is supposed to be white. Incidentally, Matsumoto has red eyes, which might or might not have some connection with the red emblems. Maybe he was controlling the androids.
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Apart from that I thought the epis were entertaining and competent. Though it must be said, the premise is pretty much directly lifted from the Terminator movies and the teddy bear A.I. is lifted from- well, A.I..
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2021-04-04, 07:24 | Link #32 |
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Also, the thing about "altering the future is forbidden!" is absolutely bunk, given that Bear Kyubeys mission is to, ta-daaaa, alter the future. He is isolating Vivy to make her dependent on him and I expect any person (or fellow AI) who gets close to her to end up dead as well, at least for the first few episodes.
Terrorist guy who got saved by her will probably turn out to be a big help when the shocking (oh, so shocking...) reveal comes that Bear Kyubey was up to nooooo good. Curse his sudden, yet inevitable betrayal! Sorry, I think my sarcasm meter is way up today.
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Damn, that was the best premiere of the season wow!
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As future events, if Matsumoto wasn't telling the truth I don't see what point is. Remember the first episode established that current AI technology is already imperfect because they can't handle multiple tasks like human can. They simply do not capacity for complete independent moral reasoning. If anything I feel the problems in the futures are rooted in the deficiencies in the Al that yet to be worked out and those historical turning point exacerbated those issues. Granting personhood to something that is not advance enough to define self becasue humans themselves have yet complete understand how their own brains work is recipe for disaster and hugely irresponsible. There implication that Al technology outstripped the controllable bounds. Quote:
Hope the story do trite like make him the villain because functions on cold logic versus Vivy emotional one. The two learning from each other, developing common ground between their desires would make much interesting show. They both want the same thing in end, but they just differ to achieving it. He could be lying but I just don't see end result given what happens anyway. Tappei and Umehara are such predictable they boil the show down to that. Especial with way Matsumoto made it clear where he stands. There no way twist with would ever work. Last edited by Applehell; 2021-04-04 at 13:01. |
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2021-04-04, 15:43 | Link #35 |
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Or that he doesn't care about anything other his mission. Like I doubt the Als care about the girl either, so are they evil too? Nevermind that was thanks Matsumoto that politician was saved or should he have died for the guaranteed passage of Al rights? Do see how more complicated this is?
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Even if she'd gotten to the airport in time and somehow convinced the plane not to take off, that'd be 300ish lives saved. And a whole lot of questions raised. Why was a theme park AI singer at the airport? How did it know the plane had what would soon be catastrophic damage? Diva would have been taken into custody and an investigation into her launched and the really super important mission of saving all of humanity would fail. I really hope we keep getting these tough, tragic choices, but I don't think Matsumoto preventing her from saving the plane is a sign he is evil. I think Diva will disagree with his methods more and more as the show goes on and it might be that his need to complete his mission becomes corrupted into the very thing that causes the AI's to rebel in the first place, but I don't think he's evil... yet...
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My point is that it is the result of their goals. An anti-AI campaign is morally questionable by nature and Matsumoto's goal of averting human extinction over the course of 100 years under the current premise will most certainly invite morally questionable actions. Vivy's goal, on the other hand, by nature does not. Your initial assessment lumped the former two together on the basis that they would do anything to accomplish their goals. Since Vivy's goal does not invite morally questionable actions, there is almost no conflict with her own personal feelings, which I never denied existed. Thank you for agreeing with me. Vivy's personal feelings that drive her to accomplish her mission is the same as the terrorists. Quote:
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Matsumoto's goes on about true history, but I doubt his historical records will prove to be completely accurate.
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And it's pretty much 100% clear that the Bear AI is using her naiveté against her to achieve his own ends, regardless of her own wishes, as well as actively letting people die who didn't have to. The writers couldn't be less subtle about that if they'd hit us through the screen with a sledgehammer.
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I think for the sake of reaching the end goal that Matsumoto wants it probably is a good idea to not make an enemy of your partner in this endeavor. Yes, saving every person isn't going to happen. But saving those that Vivy particularly would like to see stay alive is a good way to make sure his mission actually happens. After all there are going to be missions that aren't just about saving someone and thus won't be easy to get her onboard with in the first place. Letting people she cares about die for the sake of his mission is just making sure that issues continue to get worse and makes his mission more likely to fail.
If there's any flaw in this plan to save the future it is sending this idiot into the past. No wonder the AI of the future went on a berserk murder spree if this guy represents where AI development has reached. His entire angle is absolutely nonsensical. The point is to change the future and even changing one thing is going to impact the future in ways he can't possibly comprehend or predict. The most effective they can be is right at the start of this mission with events that won't be immediately thrown off by their actions. The bear is an idiot that thinks he's a genius.
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