2013-08-03, 14:08 | Link #9461 |
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Don't worry, Anh Minh, I at least agree with you.
And Mentar... check your shipping goggles, man. HnG has not been "naturally" leading towards "what the fans want" in the least. You're being a bit myopic, here. As for the pacing, this manga has been casually taking multiple chapters to cover a single day since the very beginning. I really don't know why you're complaining now.
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2013-08-03, 14:21 | Link #9462 | |
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I do enjoy seeing Nagi act more than the NEET she is, but again, the last time I was impressed with her character was when she shattered her King's Jewel looooong ago. |
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2013-08-03, 14:53 | Link #9463 | |
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There's lots of people who agree with you around, they just don't post nearly as often, or at all. This is not exactly the sort of place casual fans go to hang out. (And I was telling you guys years ago it wasn't going to be Hina, you just didn't believe me.) |
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2013-08-04, 05:31 | Link #9464 |
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Um, hi? Long time lurker here, I just recently decided to join up in the forum. You guys really have some fun discussions! XD
Just finished reading the latest chapter. For me it was kinda "meh". A bit of good comedy, but to sum it up, Hata sensei is stalling for more time as usual. by the way Ruka has quite the imagination |
2013-08-04, 07:26 | Link #9465 |
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Hayate is obviously the real enemy, Ruka's just avoiding the issue by trying to change the setting.
Okay chapter, but yeah it's just setup for the next one. Typical for the chapter before a double issue. Prior to this chapter though I hadn't realized that the scene where Nagi stumbles unto Hayate and Ruka was supposed to be after the concert. So next chapter is the important one, I suppose. |
2013-08-04, 13:38 | Link #9468 | |
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That's one of the things I find sad, in fact. Whenever there is a chance to actually give Nagi a trace of growth, there is a relapse into her old NEET ways to make another joke about it. Nagi is essentially exactly the same she was at the beginning of the show. There is neither growth nor progress. None whatsoever. Zero. But hey - if you seriously enjoy what's going on, more power to you. To be honest, I found the entire long Nagi-manga arc incredibly tepid and boring. And seeing yet another fairly likable character (Ruka) tossed into the reset grinder doesn't even really bother me anymore. Which indicates that my personal investment into the show has hit rock bottom. *shrug* Well, enjoy. |
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2013-08-04, 15:50 | Link #9469 | |
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Now she runs an apartment house for a boatload of girls she's good friends and frequently does stuff with, knows how to live on a budget, understands Hayate like no one else, (See the "you did it again, didn't you?" chapter) expresses herself to him freely (See, for instance, her little sitdown and talk with him about the Ruka situation.) and basically fights with him never while Hina is still punching and running. She still doesn't go to school much but makes an effort and feels bad about it now and again. Furthermore she just got done staying up all night to finish her manuscript after consulting with several people to storyboard and get ideas, ect after an extended trip that involved among other things walking several miles to the point of exhaustion and being able to reach out and ask strangers for help, a stark change from her previous self that was too proud to even admit being lost and couldn't run 50 meters without collapsing. Now days Nagi is as likely to organize a rescue mission for Hayate as the other way around. Yes, she's still a NEET and still backslides frequently for comedic purposes but claiming she's had zero character growth is absurd. Character growth and becoming a completely different person are not the same thing. |
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2013-08-04, 16:30 | Link #9470 | |||
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Now don't get me wrong, I'm not mad at Nagi, I'm mad at Hata. What he is doing is BS, in my opinion. Yes, every once in a while, Nagi does something which could possibly be construed as "progress", or "growth". And then, 1-2 chapters later, he undoes it again by making Nagi relapse into the same old silly naive childish NEET behavior to score another cheap joke. No consistency. No lasting development. Just a rehash of the same jokes. I guess Anh_Minh may be right. This story isn't about romance or development after all, it's about the unwavering loyalty of Hayate towards Nagi. Fine then. That simplifies my emotional disattachment. Ask yourself how your interest in this show over the course of the last 150 chapters has developed (that's since Greece). If you can honestly claim that it hasn't significantly waned since them - congrats. |
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2013-08-04, 16:49 | Link #9471 | ||
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Seriously, I get that you're mad about the direction the manga has gone. It would be awfully hard to miss with you ranting about it the last three years. That doesn't make Mentar the Every-Fan everyone needs to justify themselves too for the crime of still enjoying a comic book. If it brings you that much grief, just move on already. There's never been any shortage of romcom manga in the world. |
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2013-08-04, 17:05 | Link #9472 | |
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I'd only ask you to understand something. Over all the years I invested countless hours into this show. I've been fansubbing the first two seasons and the first movie. I've been scouring the net for early spoilers. I remember the energy around the show back then - before the poor Manglobe Movie heralded the decline. And now, I can only see how "Cuties" didn't even manage to create more than 5-6 entries per episode. Old love dies hard, and I hold strong resentment towards Hata for the predictable results of his decisions. Feels like visiting the grave of a former lover. A feeling of incredulity and loss. Anyway, I shouldn't burden the remaining fans with this negativity. Sorry. I doubt I'll drop by much anymore. Enjoy! |
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2013-08-04, 17:18 | Link #9473 | |
I disagree with you all.
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(I guess the difference between us is that I've always been a lot more casual about HnG. I never loved it so much it disappointed me. I just... like it a lot.) |
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2013-08-04, 17:58 | Link #9478 |
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I think the problem is it's hard to find a less appealing character than Nagi. Athena/Luka/Hina= best girl(s). Izumi/Maria don't get featured much (anymore) but are still miles ahead. Even Isumi/Ayumu are more endearing to me than the 'main heroine'.
I feel basically everyone else is either better written and/or better developed. Nagi is just relentlessly dragged along because the author prefers her. When all you have is a hammer...
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2013-08-04, 18:26 | Link #9479 |
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Nagi's a very unusual heroine. In a lot of ways she's intentionally designed to be different then you'd expect from a stock romantic comedy. And that's fine with me, but different strokes and all.
Still, I think you underestimate how many people do like Nagi, casually or otherwise. She's consistently been the third favorite character (by pretty narrow margins) for pretty much the entirety of the manga. That's actually not bad at all, considering. People like rooting for underdogs and the main heroine in most romcoms has it rough, comparitively. Last edited by madmac; 2013-08-04 at 19:27. |
2013-08-04, 19:02 | Link #9480 |
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I'm pretty fond of Nagi as a human character. Athena and Maria are the only attractive romantic options though. Ruka has gone down in my estimations since jumping into the romantic game so aggressively, so I admit to becoming slightly disengaged with the manga recently. I generally do appreciate Nagi's manga plotline though, so the story is keeping me engaged on that level.
Although romance was presented as a fairly cogent theme up to the Greece arc, I've actually got zero interest in HtG as a harem series. The sincerity behind the romantic themes of the series has really fallen lately (when was that last time I saw Ayumu...?) which is why I have no appreciation for Ruka being shoehorned into it. As far as I'm concerned, the story explicitly put aside romance (via Athena, i.e. Hayate's perfect romantic candidate) to focus on more general/universal themes (like wealth, misfortune, motivation, the creative act, and sustaining a livelihood -- all wrapped up in a fundamental/central concept, the 'power of royalty'), so it's those themes (which are much more tied to Nagi than Hayate right now) which I'm currently interested in. Ruka was much more interesting to me when she was struggling between debt and her dream/desire to be a manga author than now as she's chasing after Hayate. |
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