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Forsaken_Infinity · 2011-09-29, 22:42

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Originally Posted by Megacrash Gr

I loved episode 12 and yea uncensored version would be nice although

Spoiler for about the twins deaths:

well thats just me.

Anyway can't wait for da movie.

Dude,

Spoiler:

hyperborealis · 2011-09-29, 22:53

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Originally Posted by Branduil

I don't know if there's ever been a series this fully committed to its theme of total misanthropy. I mean the last episode really left no doubt to how much CLAMP despises humanity. I had thought before this that Arjuna was the most misanthropic anime series in existence, but it has nothing on this. Arjuna hates people, but it also wants them to learn, in an incredibly ham-fisted way. CLAMP has no interest in us learning anything. They just wants us to know how much they hate us.

You have a point, given Fumito's villainy, the show's basic narrative structure, which is to expose ordinary people (students, teachers, shop-owners, fathers, what have you) as selfish and conniving bastards, and not least the show's aesthetic, a straightforward pornography of violence and blood, which implicates the viewer--you and me, the ones enjoying the grisly spectacle--in the general human tawdriness.

Still, that is not the whole story. Fumito does succeed in changing Saya: he humanizes her, so that even after she returns to her old self, she wants to protect humans from the furukimonos, she continues to think of Tadayoshi as her father, and she reciprocates apparently Itsuki's sympathy for her. If the show was purely misanthropic, it would share Fumito's disdain for Saya's newly-acquired human qualities, but it does not. So Blood-C is not purely misanthropic, even though the humans in the show do their level best to justify such misanthropy.

Blood-C is a philosophical drama, about what makes people human, and what counts as human values. Complaints about characterization sacrificed for the sake of plot however excellently argued miss this point.

Kismet-chan · 2011-09-29, 23:17

The highlight of the final episode of Tadayoshi and Saya's entire fight especially when he went furukimono saiyan, not many can deny that. (Plus the animation was the shit. They were holding back all this time for what reason? Budget cuts?) I also like how it ended, with the little scene between the two of them. It was sort of a nice way for Tadayoshi to die, having Saya addressing him as Father one final time, despite his actions.

As for the rest... I liked the way Tokizane and the twins died (the latter was painfully brutal in a sort of awesome way, and the former was funny as hell -- Tokizane's yell was priceless and he was dealt with so quickly, lol). At first I really didn't want Kanako to die, but then I remember how damned selfish and greedy she was being, and all of her wailing was getting annoying along with seeing her face altogether, so when she finally got offed I was glad. I couldn't give two shits about class prez, with his extremely under-developed and oh-so-vanilla ass.

I didn't know whether to be horrified, to be sickened to my stomach, or burst out into laughter @ the town massacre scene.

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Originally Posted by Orin GA

When the demon started stuffing people into its arm like a sack and it's face looking like a kid in a candy store, and one of the arms turned into a blender I couldn't stop laughing. BEST COMEDY EVER

Seriously, this. Part of me was like "oh shit, that must've fucking hurt", but another part of me was like, "LMFAO that's an easy way to get all of your daily nutrients in a single go".

Before that, I kept going, "WHY IS IT STUFFING PEOPLE INTO ITS ELBOW?! THE HELL?! XD" But the one that stuck people on its claws like mini shish-kabobs made me cringe.

I also burst out into laughter ANY time the soldiers fired bullets. Class prez protecting Saya? Load him with bullets (and was still alive long enough to talk to Saya somehow?). Townspeople actors running after the cars? A flurry of bullets. Trying to climb the fence? A SHOWER OF BULLETS. Hilarious. Absolutely HILARIOUS.

I will most likely watch the movie when it comes out. There's no way I can leave this unfinished.

I'm also somewhat pissed that since the dog was given no further explanation, we are forced to assume (unless stated otherwise) that it's Watanuki. Really, CLAMP? Really? =_=

Dawnstorm · 2011-09-30, 02:38

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Originally Posted by hyperborealis

Blood-C is a philosophical drama, about what makes people human, and what counts as human values. Complaints about characterization sacrificed for the sake of plot however excellently argued miss this point.

By stripping characterisation to the minimum, you end up with a caricature of the human spectrum. By doing marginally better with the "monster", you have an artificial reversal. So the basis is a mirror trick. Then you deconstruct the facade and say, that's not her. And then you turn around and say (in the form of the token torch bearer) that it's part of her. So you can wonder whether she changed, or whether she's always had that side to her (the latter given more substance by doggy san). This leaves us exactly where we started with the experiment. And because humans fail to set any sort of standard, the question doesn't matter in the first place. The philosophy in the show doesn't go much further than "memories are important, but you are what you are," with a modicum of doubt added - and that's pretty much an anime cliché.

So, if you're seeing something beyond that I am probably missing it.

AuraTwilight · 2011-09-30, 02:48

Am I the only person pretty much totally satisfied with the series save for the cliffhanger?

Also, I'm pretty sure the implication was that "You cannot kill humans" was the price Saya gave Watanuki for "staying herself." The Elder Bairn thing is just her natural food chain.

**Solace** · 2011-09-30, 05:54

I'm always appreciative of a good mind screw, and these last two episodes did a pretty decent job of that....but the brutality was just horrible to watch, even censored. Maybe some people think it's funny but I wasn't laughing. Fictional or not I would never wish those kind of deaths on anyone, and even though you don't see all of the damage to the body (finally a good reason for censorship), the screams, crunches, and squishes just made me cringe to the point where I wanted to mute it and look away.

Still, I was in awe of the fight with her father. The animation was incredible and the choreography was top notch, especially her finishing move. There were no speed lines or other animation cop outs, and simply put it just looked cool. I also liked the final dialogue as he died, it was really just perfect how they treated those scenes.

Still....the brutal deaths were just too much. I haven't seen this much senseless gore porn in a long time, and I don't think it helped the narrative then or now.

Silverwyrm · 2011-09-30, 06:26

So, they kill off all the character so systematically and predictably while making them so shallow I don't care to see them die painful bloody deaths. Then, they bring them back, but they are shallow in the opposite way, so when they die painful bloody deaths a second time I STILL don't care.

Ok...

PzIVf3 · 2011-09-30, 06:34

Human Barbecue stick
Blendering
Chopping
Munching

Those Darn #%*#& RRRABBBITTS

Dralha · 2011-09-30, 06:36

Spoiler for Final thoughts:

patnam · 2011-09-30, 06:52

all the characters deaths in this series are similar to latest mortal kombat's fatalities....

example, Twins deaths got noob saibot style...

BTW, all the matter is waiting for the real Blood style in movie.

And hope Saya not alone to fight the war as where the heck are the RED SHIELD...

7thFonon · 2011-09-30, 07:56

Fight scene between Saya and her dad was pretty awesome. Aside from that, I'm disappointed that when the show really starts getting interesting.... it ends. D:

Also not a fan of the pointless gore. Like blood in fight scenes is ok, I like that.... but stuff like the giant blender scene was just too over the top and out of place imo.

Xagzan · 2011-09-30, 08:45

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Originally Posted by Solace

Maybe some people think it's funny but I wasn't laughing. Fictional or not I would never wish those kind of deaths on anyone, and even though you don't see all of the damage to the body (finally a good reason for censorship), the screams, crunches, and squishes just made me cringe to the point where I wanted to mute it and look away.

Thank you. I was starting to worry I was the only one who felt that way. I may not have given a rat's ass about any of the characters, but you still don't want to see them get massacred in such a torturous way.

Except Guimauve. What an asshole.

Triple_R · 2011-09-30, 09:00

From reading the last couple pages on this thread, I think I'll skip the final episode. I watched this anime for great action scenes, out of an appreciation for CLAMP's artistic style, and (after the first few episodes) for the intrigue of what plot revelations would eventually be made. Gore, in and of itself, holds little interest to me, and from what I've gathered, the final episode is simply bathed in gore.

In fairness to CLAMP, there is a considerable overlap between vampire fans and gore fans (just look at the Blade movies that have been made). There is a market for this sort of material, although how large it is within the anime fan community is debatable.

Though I'll likely skip watching the final episode, there is one point I want to make pertaining to the possible theme of this work.

Perhaps the question Blood-C is posing is this: What does it mean to be human? Is it simply a matter of biology, or is it something more philosophical than that?

So, in answering its own question, Blood-C presents us with a bunch of human characters that viewers will probably not find terribly likable, and then it presents us with a technically non-human (or at least not fully human) character in Saya.

But, when it's all said and done, which character in this anime came off the most "human"? If it's Saya, then maybe there's a point being made there.

yourfriendrick · 2011-09-30, 09:49

I think Episode 12 had a nasty little inside joke.

Spoiler for plot details for Episode 12:

Kakkou · 2011-09-30, 10:03

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Originally Posted by Triple_R

From reading the last couple pages on this thread, I think I'll skip the final episode. I watched this anime for great action scenes, out of an appreciation for CLAMP's artistic style, and (after the first few episodes) for the intrigue of what plot revelations would eventually be made. Gore, in and of itself, holds little interest to me, and from what I've gathered, the final episode is simply bathed in gore.

In that case, I'd say watch the last episode simply for the fight between Saya and _________. While there was indeed a huge amount unnecessary, over the top and debatably comical gore, that fight is the series best so far imo. If you have no interest in said gore then just skip over them.

PNGO · 2011-09-30, 11:32

I don't know why but I was laughing my as off in the whole bunny monsters sequence. People were dying in so many crazy ways, only the Japanese can come up with this sht haha, they all looked like candy for the bunnys

liro · 2011-09-30, 12:56

Saya protection charm:

orion · 2011-09-30, 13:13

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Originally Posted by liro

Saya protection charm:

I bet that's as effective as the anti-virus program.

blue_sora · 2011-09-30, 13:23

So after watching the last episode, my complaint will be the same as everyone last, not that much character development. They should have make all the characters have more development instead solely on Saya, which develops in a very snail pace.

Loved the fight scene between Saya and Tadayoshi, one of the best fights I've seen.
When class pres helped Saya I thought finally someone from the series going to be by Saya's side in her quest of slaying Fumito in the movie (because I already figured out the guimauve guy will escape unharmed early on) but nope, he's dead too. Damn it, my romance fangirl side is not satisfied of this, CLAMP. Oh well, at least two guys cared about Saya even though she's inhuman.

Totally love Saya at the end, she's so bad-ass and amazing. I will watch the movie just for Saya, and I hope Yuka gets a major role in the movie, maybe as the governor of Tokyo. It will be just a waste if the sole survivor just thrown away in the movie. And I guess Watainu will appear in the movie too?

Silverwyrm · 2011-09-30, 14:05

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Originally Posted by PNGO

I don't know why but I was laughing my as off in the whole bunny monsters sequence. People were dying in so many crazy ways, only the Japanese can come up with this sht haha, they all looked like candy for the bunnys

It was just ridiculous and the monsters looked goofy

2011-09-30, 02:48	Link #1185
AuraTwilight The True Culprit Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The Golden Land	Am I the only person pretty much totally satisfied with the series save for the cliffhanger? Also, I'm pretty sure the implication was that "You cannot kill humans" was the price Saya gave Watanuki for "staying herself." The Elder Bairn thing is just her natural food chain. __________________ When the Silent Spirits Cry: An Umineko/Silent Hill crossover fanfiction http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=4565173&postcount=531

2011-09-30, 05:54	Link #1186
Solace (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006	I'm always appreciative of a good mind screw, and these last two episodes did a pretty decent job of that....but the brutality was just horrible to watch, even censored. Maybe some people think it's funny but I wasn't laughing. Fictional or not I would never wish those kind of deaths on anyone, and even though you don't see all of the damage to the body (finally a good reason for censorship), the screams, crunches, and squishes just made me cringe to the point where I wanted to mute it and look away. Still, I was in awe of the fight with her father. The animation was incredible and the choreography was top notch, especially her finishing move. There were no speed lines or other animation cop outs, and simply put it just looked cool. I also liked the final dialogue as he died, it was really just perfect how they treated those scenes. Still....the brutal deaths were just too much. I haven't seen this much senseless gore porn in a long time, and I don't think it helped the narrative then or now. __________________

2011-09-30, 06:36	Link #1189
Dralha Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Neo-Venezia	Spoiler for Final thoughts: The series certainly lived up to its namesake, with quite a gruesome variety of crunchy deaths and buckets of gore flying everywhere. The Saya in this one was quite a cutie. Her hairstyle bothered me at first, until I saw that it made her look like she had black wings all the time. The cliffhanger ending was awful, though. I don't want to sit through a second season or a movie. I want coffee guy sliced and diced into bite-sized chunks right now. __________________

2011-09-30, 09:00	Link #1193
Triple_R Senior Member Author Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Age: 42	From reading the last couple pages on this thread, I think I'll skip the final episode. I watched this anime for great action scenes, out of an appreciation for CLAMP's artistic style, and (after the first few episodes) for the intrigue of what plot revelations would eventually be made. Gore, in and of itself, holds little interest to me, and from what I've gathered, the final episode is simply bathed in gore. In fairness to CLAMP, there is a considerable overlap between vampire fans and gore fans (just look at the Blade movies that have been made). There is a market for this sort of material, although how large it is within the anime fan community is debatable. Though I'll likely skip watching the final episode, there is one point I want to make pertaining to the possible theme of this work. Perhaps the question Blood-C is posing is this: What does it mean to be human? Is it simply a matter of biology, or is it something more philosophical than that? So, in answering its own question, Blood-C presents us with a bunch of human characters that viewers will probably not find terribly likable, and then it presents us with a technically non-human (or at least not fully human) character in Saya. But, when it's all said and done, which character in this anime came off the most "human"? If it's Saya, then maybe there's a point being made there. __________________

2011-09-30, 09:49	Link #1194
yourfriendrick Member Join Date: Sep 2011	I think Episode 12 had a nasty little inside joke. Spoiler for plot details for Episode 12: The surviving classmate was a black-haired girl who says she is too old to act like a high-school girl. She tells coffee guy that she wants to go into politics. He says, "Oh yeah, you want to be Mayor of Tokyo, right?" She says, "Yes, lend me your power." This is probably a nasty little swipe at the current Mayor of Tokyo, who hates anime and generally annoys anime fans.

2011-09-30, 06:26	Link #1187
Silverwyrm Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Folsom, CA, USA Age: 37	So, they kill off all the character so systematically and predictably while making them so shallow I don't care to see them die painful bloody deaths. Then, they bring them back, but they are shallow in the opposite way, so when they die painful bloody deaths a second time I STILL don't care. Ok...

2011-09-30, 06:34	Link #1188
PzIVf3 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Somewhere at Earth	Human Barbecue stick Blendering Chopping Munching Those Darn #%*#& RRRABBBITTS

2011-09-30, 06:52	Link #1190
patnam Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007	all the characters deaths in this series are similar to latest mortal kombat's fatalities.... example, Twins deaths got noob saibot style... BTW, all the matter is waiting for the real Blood style in movie. And hope Saya not alone to fight the war as where the heck are the RED SHIELD...

2011-09-30, 07:56	Link #1191
7thFonon seventh Join Date: Dec 2006	Fight scene between Saya and her dad was pretty awesome. Aside from that, I'm disappointed that when the show really starts getting interesting.... it ends. D: Also not a fan of the pointless gore. Like blood in fight scenes is ok, I like that.... but stuff like the giant blender scene was just too over the top and out of place imo.

2011-09-30, 11:32	Link #1196
PNGO #1 in ♦YouR♦ ♥HuRt♥ ♂ Join Date: Aug 2006	I don't know why but I was laughing my as off in the whole bunny monsters sequence. People were dying in so many crazy ways, only the Japanese can come up with this sht haha, they all looked like candy for the bunnys

2011-09-30, 12:56	Link #1197
liro Super Driver Join Date: Mar 2011	Saya protection charm: __________________

2011-09-30, 13:23	Link #1199
blue_sora Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011	So after watching the last episode, my complaint will be the same as everyone last, not that much character development. They should have make all the characters have more development instead solely on Saya, which develops in a very snail pace. Loved the fight scene between Saya and Tadayoshi, one of the best fights I've seen. When class pres helped Saya I thought finally someone from the series going to be by Saya's side in her quest of slaying Fumito in the movie (because I already figured out the guimauve guy will escape unharmed early on) but nope, he's dead too. Damn it, my romance fangirl side is not satisfied of this, CLAMP. Oh well, at least two guys cared about Saya even though she's inhuman. Totally love Saya at the end, she's so bad-ass and amazing. I will watch the movie just for Saya, and I hope Yuka gets a major role in the movie, maybe as the governor of Tokyo. It will be just a waste if the sole survivor just thrown away in the movie. And I guess Watainu will appear in the movie too?