2020-11-21, 19:49 | Link #281 |
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The only mystery for me is Satoko. The rest seem rather straightforward, Shion was the one during the ladder scene. She went crazy and killed the three heads who she thought were responsible for the curse. Mion was the one at the house, it's obvious from her line of thinking: she knows the three main family have nothing to do with it, and she suspects the village elders do it. She even mentions to Keiichi that the Furude family has lost most of its influence, which is the opposite of what Shion was saying (she thought Rika was the mastermind).
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2020-11-21, 20:01 | Link #282 | |
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Remember, there are some keypoints where we can identify the twins rather clearly. Then they walked down the temple hill, and Mion asked a rather similar question to what "Shion" later asked on the phone. Note her expression from the moment on she realized Shion might have gotten Keiichi into trouble. The ladder thing was clearly also her having a minor Syndrome fit. MY theory in regards to that is that Mion was actually waiting for him to come clean, so she could tell everyone that she'd take care of his punishment personally and then tell everyone that she has taken care of it. By my theory, by locking him up in the dungeon for a while. Frankly, she could have even made him do the fingernail thing, it wouldn't have changed a thing. - Other than that any answer to her confession would be fear driven, that is. The only thing that is imho raising a chance the twin in the basement was Shion is that she was far too calm while confessing.
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2020-11-21, 21:36 | Link #283 | |
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2020-11-21, 23:16 | Link #284 | |
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"This level of reasoning is possible for Furudo Erika. What do you think, everyone?"
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2020-11-21, 23:28 | Link #285 |
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Many are hesitating that Mion could reach a high level of HS without exhibiting outward symptoms, but wasn't this already confirmed to be possible through Satoko in the past?
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Not saying I think Mion went L5 (if that was even her onscreen), but rather I don't think it can be ruled out just from 'it didn't look like an L5 state'. |
2020-11-22, 08:26 | Link #286 | |
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Now it's still possible that Mion didn't actually kill anyone. We haven't seen her killing or even attacking anybody, moreover the person she was going to meet with a gun in hand was probably not even Satoko. But using our previous knowledge of the situation to base our reasoning is probably a bad idea. There's a clear spelled out trap in this series and it fully relies on us assuming it's the same "game" as before. Now I will concede that perhaps Mion never actually reached L5, but there sure was something wrong in her behavior, locking up K1 and thinking that the 3 families (and let's not forget that Rika is all that's left of the Furude family) were responsible for the killing and disappearances of Oyashiro's curse isn't something that Mion has ever done or thought before. I'm pretty certain that in this timeline Mion ended up believing the same delusions that plagued Shion's mind in the original series and the trigger is probably the usual doll. At any rate gathering the hints so far I think this point is the most relevant: Takano has nothing to do with it, and the Hinamizawa disaster never happens. There's another mastermind at work leading the Yamainu (or perhaps a completely different group) instead of Takano. In the remote case that Takano is still the mastermind, then it's like a completely different version of Takano with a completely different objective.
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2020-11-22, 09:24 | Link #287 | |
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Sure, her plans can get sidelined if others take action before her. That's what happened in the Watanagashi/Meakashi timeline. Shion went on a rampage, so the whole great disaster plan got canceled. The only thing that I know has changed for sure is Rika. My theory, though it's still very low-resolution, is that the timelines in this new series aren't that different from the previous ones. But it's somehow Rika's own actions that are derailing them.
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2020-11-22, 09:37 | Link #288 | |
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2020-11-22, 12:44 | Link #290 |
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Well apart from the the fact that Takano leaves with Tomitake instead of going with her usual plan which necessarily requires one dead person and an a disappearance (which has never happened so far in Gou), there's also the fact that Takano in the original series had absolutely no interest in the whole situation in Hinamizawa outside the realization of her personal plan.
In Watanagashi/Meakashi her plans are also foiled be the premature death of Rika, however by that point she and the Yamainu completely abandon any initiative and everything that happens is just and solely Shion going wild. Here however there is more than enough evidence that shows that regardless of the plan going wrong early on, some kind of organization is still active.
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2020-11-22, 13:56 | Link #291 | ||
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But yeah I can't understand why people don't want to accept a possible shard with Mion as culprit either. Quote:
Shion wouldn't need to be as happy being treated like a girl as Mion would be, while the calm confession seems strange for Mion. The issue is just, that it only looks strange under normal circumstances. Mion is basically a different person when wearing her Kimono, so it becomes less surprising. Shion's snapping also usually looks a lot different from what we see in the ladder scene, and even if we assume it was Shion, she would have still spoken with Mion's voice which would be strange during one of her snap-fits. A possible point where they could have swapped is when Mion went to making tea, however, that would leave us with a bit of a timing problem. Shion also lacks a motive for lying to Keiichi about the torture tools not having been used, because we know they were, and so do both sisters. What we do indeed not know is, where each sister's corpse was found, as their identities remain a mystery to us.
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2020-11-22, 18:10 | Link #293 | |
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Also, perhaps we could have some elaboration as to how Shion snapping is different from what we saw here with the ladder? Because it looks almost identical to the ladder scene from the first series, which was clearly shown to have been Shion. Only difference is the source of the break, which makes sense if in this line she remembers Satoshi wanting her to take care of Satoko. And we'd seen in the past that this is another possible path for a break for her, as she nearly went ballistic out of a desire to protect Satoko in one of the answer arcs until Keiichi stopped her (and admitted that if she hadn't lost it he would have). |
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2020-11-26, 10:18 | Link #296 |
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can some1 expain to me how this series works? in ep4 rena and 2 girls died, then next ep every1 is still alive. And now we have the same curse but affect different people, so i gonna assume every1 is gonna magically revived and the series will have the curse affect different people.
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2020-11-26, 10:32 | Link #297 |
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Basically we're dealing with self contained realities. So after a series of events with all the blood and death and then we start again with everyone alive again means we've left the previous "reality" and are starting in a new one. These different realities have different tragedies based on different series of events. Part of the point of the series is figuring out just what the f*** is happening and realizing that not everything you see is accurate and real.
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2020-11-26, 11:50 | Link #298 | |
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Anyway if you haven't seen the original anime or played the original visual novel or read the manga, you are going to get heavily spoiled, because this isn't a remake, it's a sequel.
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2020-11-26, 13:28 | Link #300 |
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It only happens if Shion remembers her promise she made with Satoshi, so yeah, it never happens in a Tatarigoroshi-type of fragment. I assume Tataridamashi will be quite similar to Tsukiotoshi (PS2 arc), although with some huge changes considering GHD not coming to play thus far in Gou.
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