2014-06-09, 04:35 | Link #2321 |
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Been reading some of the spoilers for the latest volume, and it seems that the hypothesis I made in this post 9 months ago was partially correct.
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I suspected as much after reading the synopsis of Connect, but the complete mess that is the latest volume seems to confirm that the author has indeed lost control of the story, and it seems fairly likely that the wheels started coming off during volume 8. The main error in my prediction was that I had originally believed that Yozora was the intended end girl that the story was deviating from, but apparently it's actually Rika. I had thought that Connect was meant to be a slight correction to flesh out Rika's character, with Yukimura's and Yozora's developments to be left for the last few volumes. If volume 10 is indeed the last volume, however, then that would mean Connect was specifically meant to put the end girl herself back in the driving seat.
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2014-06-09, 05:13 | Link #2322 | |
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By the way, is Connect really important to proceed with the story?
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2014-06-09, 05:22 | Link #2323 |
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Didn't author said that volume 8 or 9 is "end of prologue" and next volume is start of main part of story?
Kinda like Tokage no Ou manga which had 14 chapters of prologue and ending chapter. Kids, remember: When author says something like this - series will be cancelled soon.
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2014-06-09, 05:58 | Link #2324 | |
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Anyway, CONNECT did two important things. First, it gave a more detailed backstory of the previous generation (Sena's parents and Kodaka's parents, as well as the close relationships between the four of them). Second, it added to the main plot itself with the Kodaka-Rika rooftop scene involving flying metal balls and the Yozora running away scene. My main gripe about CONNECT was that it was written as a side story to support the events in previous volumes, but also contained elements that are important to the main plot itself. I consider this a no-no in creative writing because anything that is important to the plot should be interspersed within the chronology of the main series itself. While side stories are very common in light novel series, such as Toradora with The Palm Top Tiger of Happiness, these side stories merely serve to develop the setting or a few minor characters that are auxiliary to the main plot. The reader can omit the side stories without losing track of the main plot itself. This was not the case with CONNECT, and was what led me to suspect that the author himself might have lost the plot. As mentioned in my previous post, the author admitted in his Vol 8 notes that he had not intended for Pegasus to play such a major role in the story, which was what precipitated the writing of CONNECT. It follows that the plot point that Pegasus was involved in - Sena's and Kodaka's engagement - did not feature in his original plans. He had not fully thought through the ramifications of adding in such a plot device (e.g: we were never fully told about the relationship between Sena's and Kodaka's parents, which made the engagement plot device come out of left field), which was why CONNECT was needed in order to tie the new developments back to his original plans. This is also how CONNECT received its title - it served to CONNECT the plot devices that he had mishandled . Anyone who has written multi-chaptered fanfiction would be familiar with the above problem. Every now and then, certain events are written into the story as a shiptease or as a fun detour, but the characters somehow take on lives of their own and end up changing the story to the point that the original plans are no longer feasible. The difference is that earlier chapters of fanfiction can be easily edited for continuity. With published novels, earlier volumes cannot be recalled and rewritten. The anime adapted the key parts of CONNECT in chronological order with the rest of the story, and left out the history of the older generation. If there were to be a 3rd season, one way to adapt it would be to show the auxiliary parts in the first few episodes and then show the rest of the main plot after that. It would still be very messy though.
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2014-06-09, 07:29 | Link #2325 | |
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In all honesty I'm just trying to understand what the author is thinking cause I didn't expect vol 10 at all. not in the least. |
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2014-06-14, 05:04 | Link #2327 |
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Okay wow IF any of these spoilers are actually true then the author just seems to have resolved to troll as many of the readers as possible and make Kodaka out to be an asshole.
Three largest shipper bases? Sena, Yozora and Rika. So who do we pick? Yukimura... After confessing to Sena and making her promise to wait for him until after they graduate, stating his reason as not wanting the club to fall apart, then just up and going out with Yuki when she asks him would strongly imply that Kodaka doesn't consider nor want Sena as a friend let alone love her. In fact he just parallels those guys that Sena complains about back in volume one that only show her any attention out of sexual attraction which justifies her jaded viewpoints. And as if that isn't enough to make him seem like an asshole, he goes out with Yuki WHILE mulling over how he loves Rika? In the same way he loves Sena? Is he just stringing Yuki along? I feel bad for Yuki and seriously question the value of Kodaka's love. Also no one has mentioned this yet but do any of the other girls know about his "confession" to Sena? If so then how in the hell did they respond to Kodaka doing this? Is this what Sena's outburst in class is about that causes her and Yozora to become friends? Unified against a common enemy... I'd like to believe that this is all BS trolling but if it really isn't then just... wow... nice way to feck up your own novel there :/ |
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Yeah I agree it is pretty a**holish. Usually you actually date that person for a while before deciding. "I think I'll have the chicken. I love chicken." "No, actually I prefer fish." |
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2014-06-15, 01:41 | Link #2331 | |
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2014-06-15, 09:27 | Link #2332 |
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Well pretty much either way he looks like a douche.
If he chooses Rika, he lied to both Sena and Yukimura If he choses Sena, then it'd make sense that he was just in shock If he choses Yuki, then he basically lied to Sena. And if he choses Yozora (that'll be one outta left field at this point), same as Rika But regardless who he choses, it won't be pretty for the others. (Still calling School Days ending ) |
2014-06-15, 12:03 | Link #2333 |
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Hirasaka Yomi's comments:
http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-24672.html Did he just said "It doesn't matter who Kodaka ends up with?", really? |
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No. It's closer to- "Hmm... The chicken looks good... But I DO love fish... Oh you already charged me for the pasta... Fuck it." Yozora wanted Taka back she was just confused by her desperation to relive her best memories with him, Yukimura is in love with his mystique of the ideal man not the real Kodaka who's smart, dorky and thoughtful. Sena wanted Kodaka because he's the first person to treat her like a person instead of a princess and Rika is the only one who saw through all the bullshit to see the real person Kodaka is and still wants him. Sena and Rika are the only two people who had a shot from the beginning. People who thought Hinata and Aoi had a shot were reaching, hard, they don't know the real Kodaka from the beginning the only two contenders were Sena and Rika. Yukimura blindsided him and her stern innocence caught him off guard and acted without thinking, who can blame him, he's in love with Rika and has very strong feelings for Sena. You guys are making him out to be some cold-hearted player who intentionally thinks nothing of the feelings of the girls. If anything it's the exact opposite. He purposely stopped himself, ALOT, from responding to the feelings of any of the girls. His one moment of weakness came after a girl, who he's said is incredibly attractive to him and an ideal girl, pinned him up against a wall and kissed him for a loong time. It's completely natural he'd respond without thinking. Quote:
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The story is from Rika's point of view and from what I've gathered from volume 10 ends on an optimistic note before the blindside with Yukimura of course.
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2014-06-15, 17:19 | Link #2335 |
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I would like to agree but the author brought the love issue himself, now as a professional he has to deal with the issue and take responsibility.
I don't mind Yukimura but I demand a proper closure for Sena which the author dug himself hard. Of course part of me wants Sena to win after she had the guts to tell her feelings and endure the wait Kodaka asked her. |
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2014-06-15, 19:06 | Link #2337 |
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I'd chalk it up, again, to my theory that the author lost control of the plot in volume 8. By having BOTH Sena's confession and engagement in the same volume, he ended up changing the entire story irreversibly. The subsequent novels then had to be modified in order to accommodate the new plotline because such a major development meant that the romantic subplot could no longer be swept under the carpet as was done in previous volumes.
Having chosen to go in this direction, the author cannot then turn around and claim that the story is about friendship and not romance. That may have been true in the earlier volumes, but it certainly isn't true anymore. This isn't fanfiction - where authors can edit and reupload previous chapters that veered off course - it's a published work, whereby the author has to proceed with whatever has already been published, regardless of whether or not he intended for the story to take a particular turn. I guess the lesson to be learned here is that authors should decide early on what kind of approach they want to take with their stories. If they intend to stick resolutely to a pre-arranged plot, then do it and don't change the story for external reasons such as popularity, social pressure, etc. If they intend to make up the plot as they go along and let the characters take control, then go all the way with it by giving them free reign with very minimal restrictions for the sake of advancing the overall plot outline. And if the characters you create are so real that there are signs of them starting to wrest control out of your hands, then make the decision to stick with the plot or let it go completely. But do not make a half-hearted choice to let your characters take control of the story then subsequently turn around and try to reign them back in because it will only lead to an absolute mess that pleases nobody - not even the author himself.
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This about "the characters wrestling control of the story" is just an excuse for poor story planning and execution people make for the writers. The story was going in a certain direction and their was a plan before the author for whatever reason decided to call it quits. Romance was always second to the overall story so the author saying it doesn't matter who Kodaka chooses makes sense.
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2014-06-16, 05:39 | Link #2339 | |
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My argument is that the poor quality of the latest volume cannot be attributed solely to the author's illness, though it had a hand in it. The primary reason for the current plot is because the author dug himself into a hole with earlier volumes and lost control of the story. Where the illness comes in is that it makes it difficult for him to dig his way out. So yes, there was a plan, but the author already deviated away from it by introducing the romance aspects of the plot and overdeveloping it. As such, my view is that the story isn't going where it was meant to go. What the author said about Kodaka's choice being immaterial would have made sense before volume 8 and Connect, but it no longer holds now. "Characters wrestling control of the story" does actually happen in various media, such as manga and printed books. In this case, my point was that the author allowed the characters to develop in an unintended direction but tried to regain control of them, so it is certainly not an excuse that I am making for the author of this story - I am, in fact, calling him out and criticising him on it! Authors of other printed media have admitted to changing the plots of their stories because of unintended character developments, fan popularity, or even self-fulfilment. In the case of light novels, it is often not practical to plan the entire story from the get go because light novel sales are extremely volatile and most authors cannot predict with certainty whether a particular series will take off. It makes much more practical sense for authors to only have a general framework and make up the story as they go along depending on how popular the series is. If the series is unpopular, they need to have a checkpoint that can serve as an ending. If the series is extremely popular, they have to be prepared to extend the story beyond their original plans.
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