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Old 2018-03-08, 10:44   Link #17021
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Spoilers are out on bakadata.

So I think I have a pretty good idea what Azami is really after. Azami wants to increase the standards of the cooking world because it's currently causing most people unable to truly understand just how great the dishes made by top class chefs are. Most people treat all delicious dishes mostly the same because they often eat average dishes and so they can't really tell the difference between dishes made by just normal expert chefs and dishes made by top class chefs. Azami believes that as a result of this people were unable to fully appreciate Jouichirou's dishes back in the day and caused Jouichirou to believe that he doesn't have to cook great dishes and that just making slightly better than average dishes would be enough for most people.
actually made quite a bit of sense, the thing about taste, most people probably won't truly able to discern the taste when it's too delicate
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Old 2018-03-08, 10:57   Link #17022
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Although AP24's analysis about the motivations for both is spot on, for the sake of the eventual wave of displeasure that's gonna hit the thread in a while, I'm gonna do the summarized version: It's Azami's love letter to Eishi, featuring Rindou to not make it completely sausage festival.
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Old 2018-03-08, 11:16   Link #17023
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so they just want attention?, if the cooking is good and makes the client happy is not enough?, now if they want to take the problem because you are a better chef and you need/want to win more money but the people rather go to a cheaper one because it seems to taste the same?
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Old 2018-03-08, 11:31   Link #17024
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actually made quite a bit of sense, the thing about taste, most people probably won't truly able to discern the taste when it's too delicate
Indeed, not to mention that fact that most people won't have access to rarer ingredients that chefs use.
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Old 2018-03-08, 13:09   Link #17025
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what a foolish ideal, indeed, dat edgelord.
elitist always be elitist,
just because you want everyone to taste what you've called true gourmet,
doesn't mean you could force your shit into their mouth and then shutting down every restaurant which below your standard, besides, not everyone could afford to buy such dish.

so what would happend when you taste a food that you undoubtly praise to the high but the truth is that one is made of cheap shit....truly blasphemy lol
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Old 2018-03-08, 15:31   Link #17026
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^The view itself makes sense. The problem is mainly just that he can't just go around closing the businesses of chefs making "ordinary" delicious food because it doesn't meet his standard. As you said, most people wouldn't be able to afford the food approved by him, anyway.
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Old 2018-03-08, 16:04   Link #17027
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All the more reason for Soma and Erina to make Azami eat spiders with their combo.
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Old 2018-03-08, 17:46   Link #17028
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@^ Surströmming sauted in kiviak dashi, dressed with stirfried kimchi and melted Bourgogne cheese. grilled Squid Natto butter as side dish and durian-patai-djenkol mix juice as drink :v
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Old 2018-03-08, 18:15   Link #17029
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Rindou's dishes all use disgusting stuff that uses true gourmet techniques. I wonder why Azami's fine with her cooking.
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Old 2018-03-08, 18:42   Link #17030
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Her cooking is freespirited, but Azami espouses different views lol
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Old 2018-03-08, 18:54   Link #17031
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Spoilers are out on bakadata.

So I think I have a pretty good idea what Azami is really after. Azami wants to increase the standards of the cooking world because it's currently causing most people unable to truly understand just how great the dishes made by top class chefs are. Most people treat all delicious dishes mostly the same because they often eat average dishes and so they can't really tell the difference between dishes made by just normal expert chefs and dishes made by top class chefs. Azami believes that as a result of this people were unable to fully appreciate Jouichirou's dishes back in the day and caused Jouichirou to believe that he doesn't have to cook great dishes and that just making slightly better than average dishes would be enough for most people. Tsukasa is supporting Azami because he also believes that most people are unable to fully appreciate the dishes he make.
Then lower the damned prices. People eat low quality food because it's all they can afford.

You know, this concept was brought up in Silver Spoon as well. But it was lowkey and done properly, which prompted character growth for the main character.
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Old 2018-03-08, 19:48   Link #17032
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So Azami's ideas are based from a misunderstanding of why Jouichiro quit Totsuki? Not surprised.

Some of his reasons makes sense. But his solutions are fucking ridiculous. Humans naturally have different tastes, and thus different standards. Ideally, everyone wants to taste 5-star dishes, but already accepted the fact that they might not do so in their lifetimes, which influence their standards.
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Old 2018-03-08, 22:42   Link #17033
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Spoilers are out on bakadata.

So I think I have a pretty good idea what Azami is really after. Azami wants to increase the standards of the cooking world because it's currently causing most people unable to truly understand just how great the dishes made by top class chefs are. Most people treat all delicious dishes mostly the same because they often eat average dishes and so they can't really tell the difference between dishes made by just normal expert chefs and dishes made by top class chefs. Azami believes that as a result of this people were unable to fully appreciate Jouichirou's dishes back in the day and caused Jouichirou to believe that he doesn't have to cook great dishes and that just making slightly better than average dishes would be enough for most people. Tsukasa is supporting Azami because he also believes that most people are unable to fully appreciate the dishes he make.

Nothing less to expect from our chuunibyou. Everything based his delusion ideal and is idiots the people following him.
He either completely retard or ignorant about the fact money play important factors here. Without moneys people will not have enough ingredient to creates high-class dishes and without money people can't afford to buys the so called high-class dishes.
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Old 2018-03-08, 23:14   Link #17034
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Without moneys people will not have enough ingredient to creates high-class dishes
Ironically, Souma can create high class dishes with regular ingredients. So, if Azami really wants a cooking revolution, Souma is the one he should be looking at.
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Old 2018-03-09, 00:25   Link #17035
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Nothing less to expect from our chuunibyou. Everything based his delusion ideal and is idiots the people following him.
He either completely retard or ignorant about the fact money play important factors here. Without moneys people will not have enough ingredient to creates high-class dishes and without money people can't afford to buys the so called high-class dishes.
Just when you thought Azami can't be more dumber, he will prove you wrong.

His statement just showed how disconnected he was with the public. Just looks at Momo's castle cake. How much do you think she is going to charge others for that cake?

Azami is just a sad guy. His idol had been slowly changing and shaping the gourmet world with his son until now without suppressing others while Azami is still dreaming. Those mindless drones were indeed a bunch of loser. No wonder that they follow Azami because dreaming is the only thing they good at it. Expected no less from those 2 WGO sluts.
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Old 2018-03-09, 00:44   Link #17036
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as i said before, there is some sense in his reason, but his method just prove himself to be a complete idiot, 1st, the price of said Gourmet isn't going to be cheap, and this is not counting special case like Rindou who used very exotic ingredients, which bloated the price, and this is counting they can even get their hand on the ingredient in the 1st place. You need hunters, fishers, etc.... to get their hand on ingredients, so you just casually dismissed them as general populace ???? nah, i doubt people would bother selling hunting game to him consider how his view is

It is interesting how Azami is actually part of that same people that he said, he said that most people don't understand true Gourmet. But he himself actually don't understand how hard it is to get his hand on wild ingredients like bears, boars,... Going by his reason, people can simply won't sell meat to chefs because they don't understand true hunting and general chefs don't know the ingredients enough.
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Old 2018-03-09, 02:05   Link #17037
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It's just my theory but it seems everyone agrees with it.

Assuming this is true, the only ones who will really benefit from this are chefs at the top. If the standards of taste are increased then even the ordinary expert chefs will be treated as average.
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Old 2018-03-09, 04:01   Link #17038
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And only few selected chef that allowed to create new dish and or innovation dish for general standart @_@
Different place, Different people, Different taste, Different ingredients, Different cooking styles

it's impossible to make gourmet became like chain convenient store
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Old 2018-03-09, 04:48   Link #17039
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Saw the Korean scans, turns out Tsukasa and Rindou are capable of assisting each other.
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Old 2018-03-09, 04:54   Link #17040
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Saw the Korean scans, turns out Tsukasa and Rindou are capable of assisting each other.
F***. I thought one the reason for their loss would be their lack of assisting each other.
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