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Old 2020-08-30, 01:36   Link #241
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I was too distracted by Jerga reenacting EVA 01 breaking through Anos' AT Field (complete with the hexagonal pattern) to even comment on everything else . As if Misha & Sasha's designs, clothes-colors & personalities are not enough callbacks to Evangelion already.

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Old 2020-08-30, 02:18   Link #242
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Ah, time for a class trip, but heh, who needs to travel when you can have the Demon King teleport there in a second. At least the new teacher so far is pretty friendly (whether its real or not, at least she hasn't tried to mess with Anos yet).

So we've seen in the past Kanon was pretty reasonable, but Jerga sounded much more extreme. And the human realm version of history is inaccurate too. There's the last character from the main series poster, wonder what her role will be.

So far the present Kanons don't seem that strong (not that anyone slows down Anos), but then looks like the human spell was meant to combine strength so maybe their individual strength won't matter. Anos has most of his old subordinates back (although it is strange one wasn't taken over directly) but sounds like the conspiracy reaches the human realm too. Though if Kanon was so strong that he could give Anos a good fight, how did someone else ever take him out? Unless that sneak attack actually managed to get all his sources. Well, should be time soon for a whole new group of people to be in awe over Anos.
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Old 2020-08-30, 03:06   Link #243
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To be fair, Kanon wasn't on par with Anos. Anos just liked Kanon so he never bothered to actually kill him, as the next hero might not be as nice as him. (just look at Jerga)
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Old 2020-08-30, 09:43   Link #244
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To be fair, Kanon wasn't on par with Anos. Anos just liked Kanon so he never bothered to actually kill him, as the next hero might not be as nice as him. (just look at Jerga)
But from what i understood based on the story so far in the Manga and Anime, its a bit different.

While its true that Kanon was weaker than Anos, but Anos couldn't kill Kanon either because of the "7 Sources" which Kanon had as even if one Source survived it allowed Kanon to resurrect himself (kind of like the Horcruxes of Voldemort, with Saiyan abilities included which increased his base strength upon each resurrection).


Note: Just want to clear that this can't be spoiler from Manga, as the plot of the Manga is behind the Anime now.
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Old 2020-08-30, 09:52   Link #245
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^That's not a problem. Seriously, it's Anos, do you think he can't destroy Kanon 7 times?
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Old 2020-08-30, 10:09   Link #246
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Yeah, I figured Anos probably didn't go all out against Kanon (with the way Anos speaks about him, he obviously held him in high regard), but I figured Kanon was still pretty powerful.

But then someone did manage to subvert Anos' direct subordinates too, so someone powerful has obviously been moving behind the scenes. Whether that someone got to Kanon too (given the same fake demon lord name in the human realm), who knows at this point.
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Old 2020-08-30, 11:49   Link #247
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Well I think the situation isn't too problematic. While it's still up in the air if Anos' sword could wipe out all of Kanon's sources at once, he at the very least didn't choose to if he could. Entirely possible Kanon developed all those sources precisely as a counter to Anos' sword since one or two sources would be easy enough to eradicate at once. May not be wise to put a cap on anything Anos can do. But if he could 'only' pull off the insane move of wiping out 6 sources at once then killing Kanon wouldn't be possible.

And it doesn't even mean whoever took down Kanon is that powerful. They appear to have chosen a different option from simply trying to destroy his sources. If they had the ability to split and forcibly reincarnate each source into a different body that would be effective enough in stopping Kanon. They'd still have to be powerful to some degree or catch him offguard, but that's in the realm of possibility.

I do wonder if whomever took out Kanon was connected to Avos. But, obviously we've got way too little information to be sure about much of anything. There'd be plenty of hateful people that would resent Kanon for his part in putting up the wall and which prevented them from massacring all the demons like they wanted. They may have acted against him on their own or had support from Avos in the process.
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Old 2020-08-30, 13:07   Link #248
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Hmm, I always assumed that Ray/Lay was the reincarnation of Anos' past right hand man. Both have an affinity with the sword, this very episode Ray/Lay choose a sword that belonged to said right hand guy. And, Anos and said guy also made a promise, that if he was ever reincarnated he'd want to serve under Anos again.
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Old 2020-08-30, 14:41   Link #249
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Come to think of it, aren't there other two people who helped Anos and Kanon created the barrier? No one in the show mentioned about them so far.

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Old 2020-08-30, 16:59   Link #250
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^That's not a problem. Seriously, it's Anos, do you think he can't destroy Kanon 7 times?
Its wasn't about defeating Kanon 7 times, but rather destroying Kanon's all 7 Source together at once, which i think even Anos commented was really hard for him to do (because the Hero's existence is special which is meant to specifically counter the Demon King, which is why Anos could never kill Kanon).

If i remember right, Anos was mentioned to have defeat Kanon multiple times in the past and even destroyed 6 of his Source at once, but failed to do destroy the last 7th one which resulted in him coming back (just like he can't use the Sword exclusive to the Hero, even-though he can use almost any Sword in existence in that World).

I think there are some rules/mechanic of that World that even Anos can't easily change or affect, just like with destroying the 7 Sources of the Hero and being able to use the Hero's Sword.

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Come to think of it, aren't there other two people who helped Anos and Kanon created the barrier? No one in the show mentioned about them so far.
I think it was hinted in the Anime that the Half-Spirit/Demon girl in the group of Anos might be related to the Spirit that was helping the Hero Kanon in the past.
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Old 2020-08-30, 17:15   Link #251
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^Anos can do anything. If he doesn't, it's not because he can't but because he can't be bothered to.

Kanon sources, when destroyed, take a while to recover, so you can kill him pretty easily if you're strong enough to destroy six of his sources.
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Old 2020-08-30, 18:05   Link #252
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Hmm, I always assumed that Ray/Lay was the reincarnation of Anos' past right hand man. Both have an affinity with the sword, this very episode Ray/Lay choose a sword that belonged to said right hand guy. And, Anos and said guy also made a promise, that if he was ever reincarnated he'd want to serve under Anos again.
That's the thing, it's just too obvious. Not to mention I think Anos would be able to recognize him. On the other hand, we were just told in this episode that he wouldn't recognize Kanon for reasons, so that increases the likelihood of Ray being him. IIRC, when the right hand man was introduced, Anos commented his swordsmanship was only surpassed by Kanon's (could be wrong), which would mean he has an affinity with swords too.

I totally thought Ray was the right hand man when it was revealed Anos had only been using 10% of his power until now, as it seemed highly unlikely Kanon who was said to be on par with him would be helpless against such a severely gimped Anos. What was revealed at the end of this ep completely changes things.
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Old 2020-08-30, 18:18   Link #253
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Hmm, I always assumed that Ray/Lay was the reincarnation of Anos' past right hand man. Both have an affinity with the sword, this very episode Ray/Lay choose a sword that belonged to said right hand guy. And, Anos and said guy also made a promise, that if he was ever reincarnated he'd want to serve under Anos again.
Wasn't Kanon using the exact same sword in the flashback sequence of him skewering Anos? I could be wrong but that's how it looked to me.
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Come to think of it, aren't there other two people who helped Anos and Kanon created the barrier? No one in the show mentioned about them so far.

These were Kanon's companions from the Spirit world, I believe. One of them fought Anos' right-hand man.

I think Misa might be a reincarnation of one of them...?
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Old 2020-08-30, 19:45   Link #254
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Well it’s not much a surprise that the human world has some conspiracy too, I mean the flashback showed their narrow mind of no listen to anos when he only wanted to talk, jerga just jump to attack without listen.

So kanon was betrayed and killed by a human, I’m sure someone with deep hate to demons.
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Old 2020-08-30, 19:50   Link #255
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So my suspicions are correct. Someone from the Hero side messed with Anon's peace plan and even went so far as killing the Hero himself. And it's pretty much implied that Eleanor is one of Kanon's reincarnations, because Kanon's real cause of death isn't supposed to be public knowledge.

Now the question is did the culprit had an accomplice from the Demon side? Because brainwashing all of Anos' subordinates is a pretty hard task for one person, unless he has access to some S-tier forbidden spell or something.
Either she's an incarnation of Kanon, or of the person that killed him.

And yeah, I recall Anos commenting that Kanon was tough to fight, the only one who could put up a real fight against him. I'm sure he'd still have been able to kill him, but the way he talked at the very least it'd be the only time he'd have to put some real effort into killing someone.

Also, I, too like the new teacher. Nice to go from someone like Emilia to one who's actually ready and willing to offer praise when Anos shows off his knowledge.
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Old 2020-08-30, 20:57   Link #256
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Come to think of it, aren't there other two people who helped Anos and Kanon created the barrier? No one in the show mentioned about them so far.
That's the Arch Spirit and Creation God.
Arch Spirit isn't covered within the scope of anime.
Creation God is out right SPOILER territory.
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Old 2020-09-05, 11:28   Link #257
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Figures the Heroes would be arrogant and prideful enough to be the ones to cheat to make the Demon's look bad. Their titles don't fit them at all. I can't wait for Anos to wipe those smug smirks off their faces and give them a beatdown that's twice as bad as what they did to the third years .

I thought Revest was just another arrogant Royalist, but he's a pretty decent and upright guy with valid reasons for being wary and angry at Anos (at least from his perspective). And that's why, in-spite of his attitude, he managed to gain Anos' respect .

Time for a festival date! And of course both Sasha and Misha rope Anos into it, but the real surprise is seeing Misa and Lay together. Not only do they have a cute moment, but Lay even gives her a necklace with a very romantic backstory. I smell a sailing ship and I couldn't be happier about it .

Man, Ms. Menou really is a good teacher. She cares about her students, she understands them, and she takes pride in their accomplishments. She even seems to understand the Founding Ancestor better than the textbooks do, so she "gets" Anos in-spite of all the Avos propaganda. This teacher change really worked out for the best .

Never dare Anos to do anything. Not only will he do it, he'll do it in the most awesome and imposing way possible .

Where's Eleonora? Seemingly lying in wait in the temple as the Heroes' secret weapon, with dull lifeless eyes likely ready to receive orders to fight Anos .

So...maybe Eleonora is a Kanon reincarnation, or his true reincarnation, and can wield the Holy Sword the legend says will slay Anos ?
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Well that kind of trickery honestly fits. Humanity is often the weaker side. Trickery and cheating is often a needed move to make up for that. Of course in this case there's no sign that they are actually weaker than the third year students so they didn't need to go that far. I wouldn't blame them going that far when taking on Anos since...that's a necessity unless you a one in a billion entity like Kanon.

Some solid character moments though. Revest has his flaws, but he has his strengths as well. Also appreciate what they could do in limited time to show the bond between teacher and student. Menou is a pretty nice person and a good teacher. And it was that fact that effectively forced Revest to put aside his pride for a moment and not give her anything else to feel bad about. She's not bending over backwards for Anos and his team, but she's not dismissive either. She's a fair person all across the board.

Kind of glad that they are going full speed ahead with Ray and Misa. Let's them continue to develop in a way that fits their characters. And also keeps the circle around Anos at a reasonable level with just Sasha and Misha.

Curious about the truth regarding Eleonora. Whether she's Kanon, the one that killed him, or some third option that isn't at present obvious.
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Old 2020-09-05, 12:13   Link #259
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Yeah, you can certainly see that mankind has developed an even more deep-rooted contempt and hatred for demonkind. If this were a true war I wouldn't actually say that their actions were in the wrong; in order to protect their people it would only be natural to try and ensure that battles occurred in locations where they would have a powerful advantage and to do whatever one can to trick the enemy and ensure victory. However, in a peaceful match using such tactics to create an illusion of superiority and try to humiliate the opponent is seriously pathetic. And that instructor is truly pathetic, trying to halt the fight the moment his little cheats were circumvented. It feels like Anos views things more in terms of the old war days though, seeing how he doesn't really seem bothered by the underhanded tactics. I'd hope the next interspecies interaction would be at the demon king academy, so the demons would be able to make similar preparations and tricks.

On a different note, I really hope Revest ends up joining the Anos faction. His reverence toward the demon king seems to be based on attributing to him characteristics that are very much in line with Anos' true nature, so it feels like he'd be quite happy to follow him if he just overcame that stupid pure-blood supremacy.
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Old 2020-09-05, 12:15   Link #260
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They did mention that there are 4 Kanon reincarnations, and we only see the 3 fighting this episode. That makes it seem like Eleonora is the 4th by default. However, I'm wondering if Eleonora is the Holy Sword, instead of just wielding it? Like it requires her spirit to be summoned.


And really, these types of series always have to have an annoying and arrogant Shota. This trope is getting a bit overused and always annoying. However, I think there is a audience for this type of character, so I guess that's what the creators are hoping merchandise for.


I still don't understand why people continue to underestimate Anos, even after he over and over again display power that is overwhelming without any effort. The three stooges can't even fathom that they are going to get a major spanking. Even their sensei knows how dangerous Anos is immediately. Also, Revest continually disbelieve that Anos is the demon king, but how else is he going to explain Anos' crazy demon powers?


There is only so much suspension of belief one can take before things become ridiculous. On the bright side, at least Ms. Menou doesn't seem to outright deny Anos.


Only 3 episodes to go to figure out who Avos is.
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