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- He is the father of protagonist Monkey D. Luffy - He is the leader of the revolutionaries, who are in direct contention with the World Government - He has a D. in his name, so you know that he is going to be damn strong (there hasn't been an exception so far) - He is the most wanted man in the world All of these things automatically put him and his fellow revolutionaries in the top tier. This cannot be disputed. He may not be as powerful as Whitebeard, but will definitely be in the top tier of strength.
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Or, this could all be a plot twist, and Iva's words in this chapter a foreshadowing of Dragon's emergeance and the WG's retaliation. And, as others have already said, this is almost impossible to actually argue for or against. Both have nations under their leadership, and both have significant titles to their names, but their military strength is completely unknown. While Whitebeard may have 1600 crewmates, its a good bet that 1550 of them are grunts that will be taken out by the marine grunts. And absolutely nothing is known about Dragon's forces besides the fact that they have conquered dozens upon dozens of countries. So, there is no real realm of comparison between the two forces, and trying to say that one is less than or greater than the other is unprovable with the current data. Last edited by james0246; 2009-04-13 at 15:28. |
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With that being said, I think the MHQ and Shichibukai are aware of the possibility of Dragon making some kind of move. Sengoku is at least one of the few people that would know, considering how he always reports things to the World Government and has conversations with them concerning the world's affairs. Quote:
Furthermore, Strength isn't everything. The overall threat of a person doesn't solely depend on strength alone. Dragon may not be stronger than Whitebeard, but there are other factors (tactics, intelligence, ideals, etc.) that make him more dangerous in the eyes of the World Government than Whitebeard.
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Edit:and "Strength ISN'T everything," tell that to Doflamingo. Last edited by Master Mold; 2009-04-13 at 15:53. Reason: joke |
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Here's the way I've always looked at it. We have the three world powers (MHQ, Shichibukai, and Yonkou) that form a delicate balance of stability in the One Piece world. Beyond that, there is the World Government and Revolutionary army that are in constant opposition with each other. Even though they are not considered world powers, their power and influence are unrivaled and both must have a formidable fighting strength because they are greatly feared. This tells me that they do have the strength to be world powers, but they do not wish to establish themselves as such because there is already a balance of power that keeps the peace from crumbling.
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The following week's Jump is issue #22-23 (a double-week issue because of Golden Week) and has One Piece on the front page. That seems to have Naruto and Bleach as well (Eyeshield 21 marked as absent). The next issue of Jump (#24) will be 2 weeks after that.
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Dragon got an army, we have heard of Dragons acts of causing civil wars here and there and conquering lands that belong to the WG. The WG strongest fighting Powers exist to fight against the Yonkou, and not dragons army. Now Dragons making noise with his operation but not enough noise to make him into a power or a full on top priority of the WG like the Yonkou have done, which is why the Yonkou are apart of the World Powers. I mean the WG's Seven Armed Seas and MHQ Powers exist to fight and keep the Yonkou in line, maybe the Seven Armed Seas other purpose is to liberate islands Dragon has control over, but that comes 2nd to existing to fight against/ keep the Yonkou in line. I don't think Dragon can establish himself as a world power, for he is lacking in power and influence. |
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Dragon lacking in power and influence? You're joking right? The guy keeps on liberating islands and seizing them for his own control over them. His power and influence are both proliferating as the story progresses. Why do you think the World Government wants him dead and labels him as the world's most wanted man? The fact that the World Government considers him the biggest threat tells you that he has an abundance of power and influence on his side. It wouldn't make sense otherwise.
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He is not a big Power threat, to the WG, thats the Yonkou, the WG using there strongest powers to fight the Yonkou, and not Dragon, hence why I said lacking in power. Dragon knowing/having the plans to make/find the location of a ancient weapon, could be why he is consider the most wanted man.
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^Were are you getting this info from? How do you know what the WG has done or hasn't done to fight Dragon? Considering the fact that he has been around for at least 8 years, unless they have been completely ignoring him (which is impossible due to the title they have given him) its probably safe to say that he has battled Admirals and Vice-Admirals and a slew of other WG forces, or else he wouldn't be considered the Greatest threat within the One Piece world.
Even if you are correct, and Dragon does not have the prestige you keep saying he lacks, need I remind you of the plucky young pilot that flew a space fighter and fired one shot that destroyed a planet size space station? Power, prestige, strength, influence, none of that matters if you are at the right place, at the right time, and have the needed capablities to act. For all we know Whitebeard and the WG could be fighting, and because they ignored the possibility of an act by Dragon (which you are more or less claiming they are going to do simply because he does not fit with the agreed upon 3 Party system), he and his forces could sneak into Mariejois and kill the Gorousei and the Council of Kings, effectively destroying the entire WG. Last edited by james0246; 2009-04-13 at 17:45. |
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And if you want to talk about strength, I've already given you a few reasons to suggest why he and his army are going to be very powerful (top-tier caliber).
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You mean Yamakaji (the cigar-smoking VA)? Yeah, I think he's pretty awesome, too (and considering that Urouge, a character who had a goofy grin on his face 99.9% of the time was an asskicker, I expect to see Yamakaji tearing s*** up, too). Strawberry was the VA who resembled Blueno. Bu I'm still looking forward to the return of Doberman the most.... Oh, and just to remind everybody: THERE IS NO CHAPTER THIS WEEK. There'll be a chapter next week, but then we'll have an additional two-week break afterwards because of the Golden Week holiday...... |
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^By the logic you are using above, then why wasn't Robin considered the most wanted female in the entire world? She had knowledge of the void century, the ability to decipher and, with pirate backing build, one of the superweapons. So, using your logic that Dragon is so feared because he could resurrect one of the superweapons (he obviously does not have one, or else Robin or Crocodile would have mentioned that already), then Robin should be equally as feared. So, why wasn't she? Because she was not part of an armed rebellion? That is not really sufficient reason considering that if Dragon is only feared due to his knowledge, then an Admiral or two could have simply stepped in to seize him (much the same as the CP9 seized Robin). Added to that, even if Dragon is the greatest tactician in the history of the world, as Phenomenal is so fond of saying, overwhelming might will always prevail.
To put it in very simplistic terms: If Dragon is so unimportant, then why is he still around? If you can provide sufficient reasoning for why a known criminal has not been brought to justice by a group you consider to be superior to the crminal, then please explain yourself, because otherwise what you are saying makes very little sense. |
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