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It may not be a gatling, however. Single-barrel chainguns do put out a rather respectable rate of fire... garh I'll need to download 13 and watch it carefully. Or as Tak would so cheerfully proclaim, these are rapid-fire beam guns with the wrong sound effect. Quote:
Let's not forget people that the VF-171 is based off the VF-17, which is a design THIRTY YEARS OLD by the time of Frontier. Hell even the VF-19 is an aging design, being twenty years old, and let's not forget that while the VF-17 was one helluva spec ops fighter in its heyday, it was phased out for the VF-22. To put things into perspective, while VF-25 is a late-model Flanker, the VF-171 is an upgraded F-4 Phantom. As for dual seaters, in Episode 1 Deculture and broadcast, when Guillame ejects, note that his "seat" folds out to reveal the Ex-Gear system, and that when Alto jumps into the cockpit, his Ex-Gear unfolds to become the seat and controls. Since the ejection seat is essentially an Ex-Gear, so long as you make the cockpit long enough and put in the appropriate jacks and drivers and plugs, you can fit two people in there so long as they're wearing Ex-Gears. The YF-19 did have two seats. I have no idea why. 2-seater "tub" Valks are canon; the ELINT VF-1 was a 2-seater, as was the combat capable VF-1D (which was normally used for training, which is how it is in USAF squadrons: F-15 and F-16 squadrons have a few 2-seaters for training, but the rest are single seaters). With Ex-Gear, since the exosuit forms the seat for the pilot, and the controls, you don't really have so many issues; as long as the cockpit can fit, you can turn a VF-25 into a tub with less fuss. Quote:
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It may also depend on the leadership; Glass hasn't, IMO, appeared to be the kind of leader who is too concerned with military details; contrast with Max and Millia, who ran a tight ship with well-trained and well-drilled crews. That said, there's only so much you can do with a cheapass, nerfed, no frills fighter that doesn't even have FAST packs. Though it does have the ability to carry underwing long-range missiles, which is something I wish they'd kept for the VF-25.
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He acts like they're not even on the same side. That's a mercenary for you. |
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That said as we see in Deculture there were a few pilots who were giving a good fight; one guy for instance used his TVC nozzles to boost to the side for a better shot (only to get the hit by the brakes - Top Gun ref there), so there are some pilots who do have skills, and the episode 14 preview shows a battroid mode VF-171 killing a red; may or not be past Ozma, but it goes a long way to disproving the idea that as a whole NUNS are crap. You can't stamp out skills, just like you can't stamp out incompetance. Quote:
That said, note how SMS is always used: recon, tip of the spear, always getting sent in to do the military's work for them - there's ample reason for Ozma to be resentful and to feel a sort of "us vs them" attitude. Hell such attitudes were present in the US Navy SEAL community, due to tensions between the counterterrorist SEAL Team Six and the more conventional SEAL Team Two; this is just one example of many. It cannot, however, beat an US Air Force briefing document leaked several weeks before the USAF was to present its new "business strategy" and plans before Congress, where that document identified the Army, Navy, Marines, AND the Coast Guard, as the enemy.
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2008-07-07, 08:39 | Link #425 | |
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ooo that just reminded me, I hope we get to see one of the VF-171's use the beam adapter for its gun pod |
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Contrast with the F-16, F-15 and F/A-18, where if it will fit they can fire it. The F-16 was just designed to be a cheapass no frills fighter and it's evolved into a potent strike/multirole platform with new gear mounted externally (LANTRIN and CFTs). Quote:
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Then where did the missiles that Gilliam shoot at the Red Vajra in episode 1 come from? Obviously not from his Super Packs, since he ejected those beforehand when he entered Frontier...
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2008-07-11, 00:06 | Link #432 |
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So... Apparently the VF-171's have pinpoint barriers, as evidenced by that Diamond Force pilot PPB Punching that Vajra...
It begs the question of why the VF-25 and 27 don't seem to have them then...
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On the other hand, the VF-25 and VF-27 all seem to be equipped with pinpoint barrier-like blade weapons. Except the 25s would have to wield them and the 27s have one internally inside the arm. - Tak
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2008-07-11, 07:32 | Link #435 | |
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Too surprised in the early phases to act properly, but eager to catch up. Even if it took them 13 bleeding episode to do so, eh? - Tak
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2008-07-11, 08:00 | Link #436 |
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True enough - and while we're on the subject of Pearl Harbor, the Allies' early aerial encounters with the A6M Zero didn't go that well either. Once enough experience of its weaknesses had been accumulated, though, the story was somewhat different.
Alto's first sortie with the Armoured Pack reveals something interesting, too - the VF-25's pilot can select which of the pack's components to jettison, rather than having to blow them all off at once. Alto sequentially releases first the thruster modules, then the shoulder and leg attachments, while retaining the chest modules throughout. |
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http://i32.tinypic.com/dgtkx4.jpg Notice how thin the legs are. There is now way in h*ll that there are internal missles in that area. BTW, that was a scan from some Japanese magazine that has been floating around Macross World for a few weeks now. Quote:
BTW...... Alto heading towards Vajra Mothership: http://img.muri.se:8080/Macross/Macross%20...0Large%2027.jpg Alto inside Vajra Mothership: http://img.muri.se:8080/Macross/Macross%20...0Large%2034.jpg In the two pics above note that the radar thingy on the Armored Pack rotates 90 degress in Battroid Mode and that the Box Launchers in the legs seem to be ejectable if you have expended them. The things I'm talking about are encircled in the pic below: http://i37.tinypic.com/vicm69.jpg Pic with box launchers still attached to legs (Episode 2): http://i38.tinypic.com/28vw2f4.jpg
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