2012-12-14, 17:31 | Link #341 | ||
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Your attempt to generalize every American as constitutional literalist is not constructive to the debate, nor is ignoring all the good and accomplishments the US Constitution has had over the years achieve anything other than sheer provocation. Good thing there is a mechanic to do so if the people should decide to do so, but it certainly is not going to happen just because some foreigners disapproves |
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2012-12-14, 17:34 | Link #343 | |
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If only because there are laws that are just as old or older on pieces of paper that hold your Commonwealth together. If the Constitution is to be changed, it will be because of a majority of the people want it to change. Not before. Because those are the rules.
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2012-12-14, 17:36 | Link #344 | ||
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For all the U.S constitutions "accomplishments", its archaic nature has led to numerous unnecessary missteps. Australia is just as free as the U.S and we don't have a constitution. How did we find it so easy to achieve without a document that permits the blanket armament of an entire populace? Quote:
We don't have any documents that state the public has a right to be armed at all times against an opponent that doesn't exist. If that opponent were ever to exist, that is a different story, but in peace time? You're drawing a long bow. |
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Simply reducing the amount of gunpowder would render the weapons inoperable in some cases, and wouldn't make any meaningful change in lethality in close range shootings anyway. Quote:
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I'd like to think that I've had ample opportunities to look at the issue from multiple angles. I hold a dual citizenship, and I've lived my life equally in both, with one that has the right to bear arms, and another that bans civilian gun ownership, I've lived through martial laws, and have fought in wars, so I'd like to think my opinion isn't formed by a simple "hey he bashed america! he's wrong lololol". Quote:
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2012-12-14, 17:41 | Link #346 |
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Per design, Constitutional change takes generations -- as it should be. Last thing we want - a Constitution that can change on a whim; as that would provide an avenue for those who seek power -- to outright take it. A Constitution defined as the "law of the land" completely trumps that.
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2012-12-14, 17:45 | Link #347 |
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From what I can see, most proposed gun control laws are just "take away everyone's guns!" which isn't really viable. It CAN be done, sure, but if a criminal wants/needs a weapon, chances are he's going to get one--they're not forced to go through legitimate means, after all, they're criminals. And the end result of THAT is just law-abiding citizens getting gunned down by criminals who don't give a flying fuck about a gun control law. It'd only really make things easier for them.
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2012-12-14, 17:46 | Link #348 | ||
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The article does point out that there was talk of a Bill of Rights in 1898, but it was figured the British system of traditional rights and freedoms would hold well enough. Quote:
The US Constitution has been though the Supreme Courts many times and has been altered many times. When the people will it to change, it will change as per the rules. Not before. That is why we have ammendments to the Constitution in the first place.
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2012-12-14, 17:46 | Link #349 | |
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Read Point #11 please.
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2012-12-14, 17:52 | Link #351 | |
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The fact of the matter: people who have committed these mass killings acquired weaponry legally. They become criminals after said shootings. By then, it's already too late. And to anyone advocating needing guns to fight against the army -- you're going to need more than yourself and your gun. Don't forget about tanks, artillery, and air power. On that note, I haven't watched Girls and Panzer yet.
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2012-12-14, 17:57 | Link #352 | |
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TBH, a discussion on gun control that purely focuses on the guns without addressing the underlying societal issues is just an exercise in futility. |
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2012-12-14, 18:00 | Link #353 | |
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Point 2: That's just reduction to the absurd. You're saying there wouldn't be fewer guns around if people had to manufacture them by hand!? You totally can regulate things into oblivion. It's happened before. Also remember the abolishment of slavery passed by only a margin of 2 votes in congress. The "southern states" also didn't get to vote on this while they were still in sedition btw.. Reply hazy, ask again later |
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2012-12-14, 18:04 | Link #354 | |
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2012-12-14, 18:07 | Link #355 | |
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In a similar sense, I would make the case about video games: "Video games aren't the problem". I've played some FPS games and still come out fine. Though mentally, the thought have crossed my mind to go out and just randomly shoot. Thankfully, I'm a very stable case. *twitch* I can stop myself. Obviously, there have been people throughout the history of this discussion -- who could not and have acted upon these mental tendencies. The problem is: we cannot stop them until it is too late. So, I ask: What is the solution to this? In the news thread: I mentioned fencing around schools. Of course, that'll take money... tax dollars that should be spent towards the education of children. After Columbine, high schools have responded by increasing security around its properties. I've also thought about a system of Gun Insurance and Licensing. Want to own a gun? Want to maintain the status quo? Pay for it (in terms of liabilities and damages)! We as a society pays for each of these incidents in the form of blood. Individually, gun owners are not responsible; but they are responsible for maintaining the politics that allows these incidents to occur.
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2012-12-14, 18:10 | Link #356 | |
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2012-12-14, 18:10 | Link #357 | |
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The comment was not to say whether it's good or not, merely that it's simply how it began, as many in this thread seems to be thinking that gun proliferation is a relative recent occurance.
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You bring up the issue of slavery, yet what did it end up taking to resolve that issue? the bloodiest war in US history. |
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2012-12-14, 18:12 | Link #358 | |
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TBH, when Columbine happened, many of us then Highschool students were unsuprised--after all, some of our neighborhood schools lose 1-2 students to guns or knives each year. We only cynically joked about it as "It is only a problem if a white suburban kid gets killed" Today's mass shooting did break a new barrier though, that is shooting in an elementary school... |
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