2007-04-04, 12:26 | Link #81 |
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I admit the 2D animation isn't flawless (the raw's quality wasn't anything to write home about either), but I personally really like the design work and am particularly fond of the CG craft which will no doubt be playing the largest role in the show. Scifi action is definitely one of, if not my, favorite genres so I'm sure I'm picking out the good parts but a first episode with not a lot of surprises doesn't really phase me and there are tons of shows that start with a very rushed and jumpy first episode. I'm more interested in the setting and characters and getting a feel for the kind of action to expect and it's art design and Macross-style large action pieces hit my buttons.
While I know the majority of the people on this topic don't do it, I am a bit tired of hearing every bland harem comedy get praised for amazing artwork and a show like this with some choppy animation but better designs gets slammed. There's a lot more animation here than in a show like that too and maybe the issues with starting up the show did have something to do with rushing it a bit. If that's the case, perhaps I'm even more impressed with the CG action :P This show is probably going to be unoriginal (but I like supposedly unoriginal scifi) but I could watch it for the human vs alien action especially if the 2D animation smooths out over time now that hopefully some of the production problems have been dealt with. I wouldn't put it above Heroic Age since that show has an even more epic setting with the multi racial war galaxy-spanning setting and rather high production values and probably a really good story to it. Last edited by DangerMouse; 2007-04-04 at 12:49. |
2007-04-04, 12:38 | Link #82 |
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Gurren... we aren't even going to go there and talk about the crap that show is. As for Kissdum, which is what this thread centers around, remember, looks very promising. I don't know why people got their panties in a bunch over the first episode. I'm sure that the Japanese population, which this show is geared to, not us, is aware of the problems which may be fixed for a DVD release.
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2007-04-04, 12:48 | Link #83 |
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Was it that bad? I didn't see much wrong in this one except for some animation consistency problem (character-wise) but the rest of the show is pretty decent in my book.
As for originality, ummm.... does it matter that much? It's the same issue with every genre nowdays and not just centred around mecha genre. I think it's refreshing to see a mecha design that doesn't resemble the Gundam or the old giant roboto design.
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Also... you can't just call one show crap without actually, you know, saying why it is bad. That's the point of opinions, what you did is just trolling, specially for Gurren-Lagann that already counts with a number of well written praising reviews |
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Just saying something is bad without actually saying why it is bad is actually fairly close to trolling, as to express an opinion is done for other people to listen to you and by actually posting that here you attempted to be read by someone, who can either agree or disagree with you but is still reading what you wrote. You are allowed to enjoy and think whatever you want, but when you express your thoughts there are consequences you must confront, because you made public what crosses your mind for shamelessly influencing others, creating polemic or in your case using them an argument, something fairly debatable since you use it as indisputable fact without any foundation to it. As of now, you should be ready to defend your claims or just get used to be called a troll for negatively commenting, without any clear reason other than "if I didn't liked it, then it must be BAD", on a series in a thread that doesn't belongs to it. You may just stay out of the discussion, but you shouldn't have brought it into the topic to begin with. The previous mention was fairly insignificant as it only included it in a list of potentially throughly good mecha anime to be released this year. |
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2007-04-04, 18:13 | Link #93 | |
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Outside... in another forum where most of the people here cannot read. Your absolute claim may be justified, but it looked like trolling since most of know don't know what you think is wrong with Lagann and you're just declaring in bad as objective truth. |
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2007-04-04, 18:26 | Link #94 |
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I don't think it really matters if one expresses a negative or positive opinion of anything in particular without justifying that opinion.
We cannot compel each other to justify out beliefs, because some beliefs are not rational and sometimes it's only a "gut feeling" that tells us that something is going to be awesome, or that something is going to be awesomely bad, with no real evidence to support us before our peers. In fact, Deacon can claim whatever he wants, it's his prerogative. He doesn't have to explain to me why he thinks that KissDum is great. Nor do I have to explain to him why I think that KissDum is a great waste of time. At the same, we don't really have to believe each other either. We are just stating our opinions. By justifying them, we give our opinions credence in the eyes of others. But we are not required to be credible, so when Deacon says something without explaining himself, he is just stating his opinion. My opinion is that he is smoking it, but that's only because he never gave a valid reason as to why he is the ultimate source of truth. This is the nature of our discussions here. We state opinions. If we want to look rational while doing that, that's a whole 'nother ballgame. |
2007-04-07, 16:15 | Link #95 |
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Interesting reading the comments here. I guess most people were disappointed, considering the potential. I found the first episode very confusing; the randomness of some of the sequences (the giant condor thing, the car appearing out of nowhere, the pink disc) left me baffled, not because they weren't well done but because Kissdum made no attempt to explain them. It's like we're thrown into the middle of some chaotic battle with no exposition and told to figure it out for ourselves. If rumours of the production problems hadn't influenced me I may have thought it was a bold move, instead it feels like it's rushed, lacking in tight direction and helmed by someone who cannot control the scale of the ideas here.
I can imagine, given the time and directorial control, Kissdum could have been much more memorable than say Heroic Age or Gigantic Formula. Instead it comes across as a jumbled mess of, admittedly, well animated but incoherent action sequences punctuated by some ill placed humour. It's not bad (technically), it's just feels like a waste of an opportunity to produce something of lasting value. At least that goes for the first episode. I'll probably watch a few more episodes, in case they pull it together and begin to makes sense of things. All criticisms aside the CG is excellent. Some of the best I've seen in action/mecha shows and that alone is a considerable achievement. I just hope they pull it together and inspire some confidence its ambitions. |
2007-04-07, 17:43 | Link #97 |
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A lot of shows these days start off totally confusing throwing us head first into an action heavy first episode with no absolutely no attempt at explaining things until episodes 2-3. Tokyo Majin Kenpuchou for example. I'll give them another episode or 2 to before I rate where the story is going, currently the CG is the main highlight.
Edit: There's a newer RAW out now that definitely looks nicer IMO than the old one last week, whether or not it's upscaled or not it's a much nicer raw. Last edited by DangerMouse; 2007-04-08 at 15:08. |
2007-04-10, 18:59 | Link #98 |
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Episode 2 brings us flesh-melting, glowing mystic women and A BIG GUN INSTEAD OF AN ARM!!!! It also makes slightly more sense than episode 1, even only through skipping through it, which at least bodes well even if it's painfully obvious that there are perhaps five people on the staff of this show and none of them are getting paid...
This show, incidentally, is the Necrodiver project that Satelight was working on some time ago. |
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2007-04-11, 03:16 | Link #100 |
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There was for quite some time listed on Moonphase a project called "Necrodiver" with Kawamori mecha designs with an unknown release date (even post-announcement of Kissdum). The term "Necrodiver" is important in episode 2 of Kissdum.
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