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Old 2017-08-21, 15:15   Link #1
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Age of Empires 4



It's finally happening. After so many years of waiting, Age of Empires 4 got announced at Gamescom today. Relic Entertainment will be developing this.

Been playing Age of Empires for many years on and off. So happy to see this!

https://twitter.com/AgeOfEmpires/sta...22586136879104

Age of Empires II and III are also getting definitive editions
https://twitter.com/Windows/status/899722027476582400
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Old 2017-08-21, 16:30   Link #2
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Age of Empires II and III are also getting definitive editions
https://twitter.com/Windows/status/899722027476582400
The hell does definitive edition mean?

They already sold HD ([H]alfasse[D]) for 2, so am I to understand we getting definitive ass this time? Is MS gone so low now that they're remastering remasters?

As for AoE4, we got 0 gameplay in that, and the trailer itself looked very cheap. Not going to hold my breath. Seems they're going to probably do a Empire Earth to some extend.
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Old 2017-08-21, 17:58   Link #3
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Age of Empires 4 gameplay will debut at PAX (next month).

Gamescom trailer for "Age of Empires 1: Definitive Edition"



Things that are new (I think)
  • bragging about changing one number in code to allow for higher pop ("herculean" task I'm sure)
  • bragging about attack move
  • building destruction (1:10), cool, now lets hope it applies to stuff other then wonders too (doubt it)
  • campaign ui with maps (I think the map things are new)
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Old 2017-08-21, 18:04   Link #4
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Meh, I'll be skeptical for now. Always found 2 better than 3...
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Old 2017-08-21, 19:12   Link #5
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Meh, I'll be skeptical for now. Always found 2 better than 3...
Everyone found 2 better then 3.
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Old 2017-08-21, 19:52   Link #6
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Everyone found 2 better then 3.

Yeah, I figured. I hope they can channel that in 4, but... Hmm...
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Old 2017-08-21, 20:26   Link #7
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I am getting the same vibe as when Blizzard tried to convince everyone that Diablo 3 would be better than Diablo 2, despite the fact that the Diablo 2 team had long disbanded.

MS is trying to sell the game as being better even though the old team is gone, and the new team has a bad recent record. And it is made worse by being a Win10 game. All signs point to fail, that MS likely had no members who has any idea of what made AoE2 good.
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Old 2017-08-21, 20:44   Link #8
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The current team of AoE2 is also nowhere near it if I understand right (for better or worse).

If Age of Empires Online (the AoE1 remake that never was) is anything to go by, expect this to be a giant fuckup. Marketing wise both it and Gigantic have been fucked by the MS store tie in.

Among their recent glorious announcements you also have the release of Rise of Nations extended edition (which has been on steam for ages). So whoever their announcements are for, it certainly isn't the current fan base.

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I am getting the same vibe as when Blizzard tried to convince everyone that Diablo 3 would be better than Diablo 2, despite the fact that the Diablo 2 team had long disbanded.
The saddest part is that D3 is actually a good game mechanically and graphically... the only problem is they tried really hard to just piggy back on D2, screwing everything over. The story screwups make the game near unplayable for me (it's like anti-nostalgia). They should have just given it a completely unrelated story, changed the world, etc.

I guess MS had the same problem "Should we continue an old game? Should we make a new game from scratch?"

Let's hope that out of FOUR! (aoe1:de, aoe2:de, aoe3:de, aoe4) we get at least one not terrible one (hopefully aoe4, but honestly that's the least likely for me atm).
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Old 2017-08-21, 22:49   Link #9
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Nice, been having fun with AOE 2 HD, so maybe this will also be something.

The team behind HD and the new expansions has been stellar, so I don't share the skepticism.

Certainly much better than Blizzard and their half ass looking remakes.
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Old 2017-08-21, 23:12   Link #10
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Relic is one of the best RTS developer that we have so far. So should be fine.

wonder if they follow the original plan of AoE4



Which basically put us in WW1/2 era which could be interesting since Relic did Company of Heroes
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Old 2017-08-22, 03:49   Link #11
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The saddest part is that D3 is actually a good game mechanically and graphically... the only problem is they tried really hard to just piggy back on D2, screwing everything over. The story screwups make the game near unplayable for me (it's like anti-nostalgia). They should have just given it a completely unrelated story, changed the world, etc.

I guess MS had the same problem "Should we continue an old game? Should we make a new game from scratch?"
Well I will admit that my main complaint is that I wanted DII but prettier. DIII is simply a different game.

And by inference, I believe MS have no choice but to make a new game from scratch and then dress it up to pretend it is the same game as the old series. If you don't have the old team, you simply can't have continuity.

For an example where it worked out, we have the X-Com remake. The game is well received, but certain parts of the game in hindsight were only there as window dressing. The remake showed evaluation and score of your progress each month, but it doesn't DO anything. The game had it for no other reason than because the original game had it.

Diablo III did the same with followers, designed to resemble DII followers but intentionally level capped to be useless, because the developers don't intend followers to be seriously used in the game.

Vestigial elements, made to appease the old fans. But in the end are useless.

I expect AoEIV to be a brand new game that had nothing to do with the old AoE series, but with certain design elements to fake its appearance. If the game ended up being good then it wouldn't matter that much, but that is basically what is inevitable.
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Old 2017-08-22, 16:00   Link #12
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Aside from the system, one of the most attractive parts of Age of Empires (1, 2) were the fact you got to use all of the ancient/medieval weapons and stuff. There are already enough Western games focused on shooting holes in people using guns, for more games to main such weaponry.
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Old 2017-09-04, 16:24   Link #13
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Randomly came across this...

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If I were a betting man, my money would be on AoE4 being a completly bland barebones strategy MOBA hybrid abomination using the AoE name to try and put some of the market into Window's corner. It will have glowing reviews from outlets like IGN, will have mediocre at best reviews from players, sales will be pitiful due to excessive DRM, the game will be all but forgotten within 3 months of release. The failure will be blamed on "just not enough interest in strategy games anymore" while actual strategy gamer fans will be left waiting for an actual strategy game to be developed. It will be a lose/lose situation and will kill off the AoE franchise for good.
Hmmm.

They wouldn't dare would they?
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That would not be the first time /stares at EA....

But I think it's too early to grab the pitchforks. I mean they've already revived Aoe2, a nearly 20 year old game to have 3 more expansion. What kind of game gets those kinds of balance and content additions when it's so old? I mean Blizzard can't even balance its games that it is developing right now.
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Old 2017-09-17, 14:56   Link #15
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Relic is one of the best RTS developer that we have so far. So should be fine.

wonder if they follow the original plan of AoE4



Which basically put us in WW1/2 era which could be interesting since Relic did Company of Heroes
This should be done(The picture i mean ) Even f the old team is gone ( like with 99.9% of every other good series teams) something half as good can still come out.
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