Tsuki ga Michibiku Isekai Douchuu (月が導く異世界道中) [WN]

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by Trov

No, Makoto has a sister older than him and a sister younger than him.

Also Like what was said before, he was a baby that should have been still born. Also IIRC, he has a talent, but instead of using that talent, he rejected it and poured himself into archery. Something he had no talent in at all. So All his skills in archer are pure hard work.
We don't know what that talent is though, Obviously been kept secret.

I thought he had two younger sisters? Shit musta missed it. Well there goes my theory

[Darius Drake]

^^ From memory, it's fairly spread out. However, from what I remember spoilers saying...

The God's started following Makoto because he started messing with his own fate. Specifically, to start with, he caused himself to live despite the fact that he should have been a stillborn baby due to the "severity" of Earth's Manaless atmosphere, while lacking the divine protection that allowed the safe transfer of his parents and safe birth of his older sister, or the natural adjustment to the environment that allowed the safe birth of his younger sister. This is why a number of the God's of Earth started paying attention to him on Earth, and, with him not abusing this instinctive power unreasonably, probably ended up making a Makoto Fan Club.

Please note, the bit of him not abusing his fate-changing powers unreasonably being an important factor in the creation of the Fan Club is purely conjecture on my part and hasn't been said by anyone else who has actually read the scenes beforehand to my knowledge.


Onto the "possibility of Makoto becoming a God", this probably isn't the case. Not saying that it's not a theoretically possible fan theory, just that it doesn't relate to why he started receiving Divine Attention on Earth. Anyway, to explain this, Makoto is someone that one of the people who give spoilers described as a "Magic God". Now, this isn't saying that he's an actual GOD, but rather that he's a Magician on similar Power Level as an actual God. AKA, while Makoto might not be a God, he is recognized as having Godlike Power by Gods. I don't remember if where the term of "Magic God" came from was described in detail, and, if it was, I don't remember where it was in the story.

[Corvo269]

Originally Posted by Darius Drake

^^ From memory, it's fairly spread out. However, from what I remember spoilers saying...

The God's started following Makoto because he started messing with his own fate. Specifically, to start with, he caused himself to live despite the fact that he should have been a stillborn baby due to the "severity" of Earth's Manaless atmosphere, while lacking the divine protection that allowed the safe transfer of his parents and safe birth of his older sister, or the natural adjustment to the environment that allowed the safe birth of his younger sister. This is why a number of the God's of Earth started paying attention to him on Earth, and, with him not abusing this instinctive power unreasonably, probably ended up making a Makoto Fan Club.

Please note, the bit of him not abusing his fate-changing powers unreasonably being an important factor in the creation of the Fan Club is purely conjecture on my part and hasn't been said by anyone else who has actually read the scenes beforehand to my knowledge.


Onto the "possibility of Makoto becoming a God", this probably isn't the case. Not saying that it's not a theoretically possible fan theory, just that it doesn't relate to why he started receiving Divine Attention on Earth. Anyway, to explain this, Makoto is someone that one of the people who give spoilers described as a "Magic God". Now, this isn't saying that he's an actual GOD, but rather that he's a Magician on similar Power Level as an actual God. AKA, while Makoto might not be a God, he is recognized as having Godlike Power by Gods. I don't remember if where the term of "Magic God" came from was described in detail, and, if it was, I don't remember where it was in the story.

To summarize what he's saying. He has a fan club of Gods cause he managed to live on his life normally when his fate was supposed to be death as a still born.

Also, Makoto is no God, he may eventually become a God, but at the moment, he's a magician with a mana capacity so hideously gigantic and the ability to read and understand all languages including the runic languages for magic, so he essentially has powers equalling that of a God

[Windsgrace]

Spoiler for Adult Topic Rant & Hypothesis:

I always thought since the start of the series that it was possible that Makoto had a troublesome birth and or was in distress during his mothers pregnancy. Since hyuman's are meant to have a near impossible perfect set of symmetric features and Makoto turned out "ugly", "average" or below average appearance wise. I thought it was probable. The amount of complications that can cause deformations during pregnancy are endless. Thanks to Spoiler-san saying he was meant to be born a stillborn this hypothesis is most likely true.

He could of regenerated himself during that time and turned out that way as well. Who knows?

Then again most people don't read this far in to the topic. However since this topic now has some importance to the story now I thought I might as well add it to the thread.

Thoughts?

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by Windsgrace

Spoiler for Adult Topic Rant & Hypothesis:

I always thought since the start of the series that it was possible that Makoto had a troublesome birth and or was in distress during his mothers pregnancy. Since hyuman's are meant to have a near impossible perfect set of symmetric features and Makoto turned out "ugly", "average" or below average appearance wise. I thought it was probable. The amount of complications that can cause deformations during pregnancy are endless. Thanks to Spoiler-san saying he was meant to be born a stillborn this hypothesis is most likely true.

He could of regenerated himself during that time and turned out that way as well. Who knows?

Then again most people don't read this far in to the topic. However since this topic now has some importance to the story now I thought I might as well add it to the thread.

Thoughts?

Well we have never been given an unbiased outsiders opinion on his looks. Given the reactions of the 2 club girls at worst he is just average . He's likely fairly good looking but not supermodel level which is what even bums look like in this world.

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by kagato3

Well we have never been given an unbiased outsiders opinion on his looks. Given the reactions of the 2 club girls at worst he is just average . He's likely fairly good looking but not supermodel level which is what even bums look like in this world.

Well he was confessed to by a very attractive girl and from his demeanor and general attitude to women I'd say he grew up to be at the very least mildly popular because he doesn't act awkward or scared of good looking women, plus he grew up with two incredibly good looking parents and, from the looks of it, sisters. My guess is he's at the awkward stage of growing up where you don't settle into you skin yet, I'm guessing he's gonna grow up to be at least decent looking.

[Sparteh]

Since everyone are talking about Makoto's past and stuff I will share my opinion as well.

Can Makoto now be considered a human in the first place? Or at least a person with normal human lifespan?

His birth was a miracle. Under normal conditions he was supposed to be born a hyuman, but he was born under special circumstances. How exactly that influence his body and spirit? It should have made it very strong.
2nd point is his massive mana increase during training. Why can he handle it? If body is like battery and mana like electricity there should be a limit how much power he can handle. Yet, Makoto shows no symptoms of negative effect while it is at level of low class god (or stronger).

As their body abilities were remarkably over their limits, it was natural that the thing called magic power was thin in exchange.

That’s why it was natural for humans to live for only 100 years or so and most of them were unable to utilize a single magical spell.

From first POV chapter

Based on this, if his spirit is strong, mana level is that of the god and body can handle it easily, can such existence actually be hyuman/human with normal lifespan?

Another little fact is that he has contracts with 3 slaves which are crazily OPed and nearly immortal. Even if the pact is 80/20 shouldn't it influence Makoto somehow?

[Windsgrace]

I wonder if his magic capacity and magical power shortens or elongates his life span.
In many series magicians w/ a lot of magical power increased their life force therefore giving them longevity.

In many other series there are those w/ a lot of magical power but it strains the body to the point that they live extremely short lives.

So...where does Makoto fit into this scale?

[J4n1]

i always understood that Makoto was average looking guy on earth, which translates to "throw up at the sight of" ugly in the buggesses world.
That said, he is confident (when in his element), polite, used to dealing with beautiful women, reasonably smart, hard worker, and probably in a very good physical shape.

[Darius Drake]

On Makoto's Appearance: In Japan, on Earth, Makoto was considered to have a fairly average appearance. He wasn't bad looking, but he wasn't someone really attractive, either. Now, on Bug's Planet, he's not at the "disgusting" level that J4n1 thinks he is (that would be a person considered unattractive on Earth), but he's definitely at a point where people would question if he's a Hyuman or not (because of Hyuman's typically looking like Supermodels). Basically, many Hyuman Women look at him like we would a Talking Gorilla, you can see the resemblance, but you don't want to have a physical relationship with it.


On Magic Life Extension: I believe that that is a part of the magic system in this story... but I don't remember it clearly, nor do I know significant it is. It could be that it can extend a small amount, or be used as a medium to extend one's life. Personally, I see Magic Life Extension here being sort of like automatic Medical Care. It's going to help you live longer, but there's diminishing returns. AKA, Makoto isn't going to live until he's 1,000 unless he changes species to something either immortal or longer lived.


Can Makoto be considered Human or Hyuman? He is Hyuman, but can be considered Human due to being Human enough in appearance (and probably biology) and able to comfortably survive on Earth. As for his Magic Power, living on Earth is kind of like Magic Training from Hell. Then he developed his Archery Concentration Technique, which doubles his magical power, at the expense of likely killing him if he learnt that technique on anywhere but Earth (and possibly even on Earth, we don't know if his ability to survive it is purely due to his Fate Manipulation ability).

[Corvo269]

Originally Posted by Sparteh

Since everyone are talking about Makoto's past and stuff I will share my opinion as well.

Can Makoto now be considered a human in the first place? Or at least a person with normal human lifespan?

His birth was a miracle. Under normal conditions he was supposed to be born a hyuman, but he was born under special circumstances. How exactly that influence his body and spirit? It should have made it very strong.
2nd point is his massive mana increase during training. Why can he handle it? If body is like battery and mana like electricity there should be a limit how much power he can handle. Yet, Makoto shows no symptoms of negative effect while it is at level of low class god (or stronger).


From first POV chapter

Based on this, if his spirit is strong, mana level is that of the god and body can handle it easily, can such existence actually be hyuman/human with normal lifespan?

Another little fact is that he has contracts with 3 slaves which are crazily OPed and nearly immortal. Even if the pact is 80/20 shouldn't it influence Makoto somehow?

Makoto is, genetically speaking, purely Hyuman. The thing is though, through sheer will he was able to change his own fate of dying as a still born baby and that got the Gods interested, he was able to live on as a hyuman on Earth, albeit a weak one, so as a result his parents got him into physical activities to train him to have a physique that is above average for his age.
As a result, he has access to magic power as a hyuman should have, as his physical body is a result of training and Acclimitizing to Earth rather than getting human traits. On top of that, his archery meditation of null state before he fires a bow, puts him through death and rebirth experience so that causes his MP to double in capacity each time he does that, making him have more MP than 14 demon lords and dragons.
On top of that, Makoto got the ability to comprehend all languages from the bug Goddess and Tsukuyomi gave him the ability to extend a divine field that he can choose the attributes of.
Essentially Makoto is a pseudo God considering he has mana matching or surpassing Gods, the ability to understand every language, Omniscence for anything under his divine field when he extends it, followers that worship him and the world which was made from him and Tomoe "Asora"

[Windsgrace]

I have been wondering what Susanoo's reaction to Asora for a while now. He politely asked to come in but since its like Japan I wonder how he feels. He could be like "It reminded me of home and its relaxing". Or "Man I am tired of Japan, give me a break. I was looking forward to something new." "Also why the hell are you giving me offerings?" xD

[kaikalaila]

I've thought Tsukuyomi gave Makoto the blessing when he is falling after kicked out by bug and is the reason for his enormous mana?

[Hokoga]

^ Nope, that blessing only does as Corvo269 already stated

Originally Posted by Corvo269

Tsukuyomi gave him the ability to extend a divine field that he can choose the attributes of.

Makoto having a sh*t tun of mana is because of his very own ability and has nothing to do with blessings from any Gods or Goddesses.

[The One Above God]

No wonder Makoto bled during that time with the Bug. Not only did she haphazardly put the ability on him, the completed skill itself already puts a huge toll on the user. Damned bug.

[Gerard07]

Good chapter 3 Gods are nice, although I was hoping that they would give another blessing to Makoto.
* Anyway, I have a question: what is the name of the bug?

[coded321]

^it's still hasn't been mentioned yet.

[Firestar2471]

Originally Posted by Gerard07

Good chapter 3 Gods are nice, although I was hoping that they would give another blessing to Makoto.

Makoto is quite strong enough. Anymore and he will go from thinly veiled BS overpowered character to completely open BS overpowered character.

[Riz]

Originally Posted by Firestar2471

Makoto is quite strong enough. Anymore and he will go from thinly veiled BS overpowered character to completely open BS overpowered character.

they seems want to do it tho, from TL, but with current his body as vassel which kinda smaller(yet bigger) than their though, makoto need to raise his power more to be able received the power that those three want to give to..
...right?

[Keitaro hutako]

Shiva said he is in a near to death stage also the bug gave him something that even the gods considered rare. That is "mastery to understand all". And from what I understood is one of the seven artifacts that the others gods gave to the BUG to manage the world.

Also about the power Tsuki-sama... I think it just doesn't use mana and it's just like using god's power where you can control anything inside that field...