Fate/strange Fake (Light Novel)

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by Kimidori

Well, of the known archer servants across all fates, half of them are actual archers so I would not say they are exception, not to mention how many servants who will also have bow primary if summoned as archer.

But keep in mind that nearly all of those archer Archers came only in the last few years, almost entirely from "spin-off" media like FSF or Apoc (and the former is still only batting .500). For the longest time, the prime examples of the Archer Servant were two guys who were both considered Archers because they, through different methods, spammed swords and other weapons at you. EMIYA at least actually sometimes uses a bow, though his most successful method of doing so is still to fire modified swords with it. Gil doesn't even try, even though he no doubt owns the first bow, and is almost certainly proficient with them.

[Kimidori]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

But keep in mind that nearly all of those archer Archers came only in the last few years, almost entirely from "spin-off" media like FSF or Apoc (and the former is still only batting .500). For the longest time, the prime examples of the Archer Servant were two guys who were both considered Archers because they, through different methods, spammed swords and other weapons at you. EMIYA at least actually sometimes uses a bow, though his most successful method of doing so is still to fire modified swords with it. Gil doesn't even try, even though he no doubt owns the first bow, and is almost certainly proficient with them.

well, it cause those 2 were the first and probably works best for the story Nasu write at the time, but it doesn't change that now in recent major fate works, archer class are properly represented by actual archers, other than the first 2 fates (Zero, SN). Fate Extra we have Robin Hood, Apoc we have Atalanta and Chiron, SF here we have Hercules, Prototype fragment we have Arash, and the poster Archer of Grand Order is Arjuna, all of them are actual legendary archers. from these, I would say that actual Archers being summoned as archer class servant is the rule, and the first 2 we had were exceptions.

and just nitpick, Gil don't have any preference for sword spamming, just weapons in generals.

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by Kimidori

and just nitpick, Gil don't have any preference for sword spamming, just weapons in generals.

Hence the "and other weapons" in my original comment.

-*NITPICK DENIED*-

[quigonkenny]

Zealot too OP. Nerf plz.

[alex_drian]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

Zealot too OP. Nerf plz.

Zealot is a STRANGE(pun) case

More powerful that the normal Assasin Hassan, but a Hassan shouldn't be powerful, only efficient.

Normal in power terms with other classes, but not very powerful

In summary, a decent servant, but not a very good Assassin

[Tenzen12]

It's not like she had many opportunities get real experiences, but I think you are too hard on her. Her blind spot attacks combined with hit and dematerialize tactic are sneaky as hell. Considering she actually managed assassinate Cashura in perfect manner she has significantly better results than most other Hassans in history of HGW already imho.

[quigonkenny]

Someone posted various spoilers from volume 4. There is also plenty of FGO translation, so scroll down to the bottom for the FSF stuff if you don't want to see that.

https://pastebin.com/yP9nRYZM

[Gatmar]

Exactly how many volumes are out for this series so far? and how much has the story progressed? is it near the end yet?

[belatkuro]

4 volumes. Only at Day 2 of the war. Plenty of encounters and fights already but no casualties. The war even started with the biggest fight of all as a signal to start it.

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by Gatmar

Exactly how many volumes are out for this series so far? and how much has the story progressed? is it near the end yet?

It had supposed end around volume 5 or so, but Narita underestimated his own writing spree and decided go with full series when he realised it. Anyway almost all masters were introduced, factions were formed and relationship between both allies and enemies were fleshed out. We got following battles: Gil-Enkidu, Gil-Alceides, f.Assassin-Police, Enkidu-Richard, Vampire-Supervisor, Alceides-t.berserker, Alceides-Hyppolita, Alceides-Jack, Sigma-f.assassin. I might forget something but that's should be it.

[Gatmar]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

It had supposed end around volume 5 or so, but Narita underestimated his own writing spree and decided go with full series when he realised it. Anyway almost all masters were introduced, factions were formed and relationship between both allies and enemies were fleshed out. We got following battles: Gil-Enkidu, Gil-Alceides, f.Assassin-Police, Enkidu-Richard, Vampire-Supervisor, Alceides-t.berserker, Alceides-Hyppolita, Alceides-Jack, Sigma-f.assassin. I might forget something but that's should be it.

I see. Is their a source for all the translations?

Another note. Why re-use the same servants again.. Gilgamesh,, Hassan(i know the assassins rule, but still cant another be summoned in fake grail war) Jack the Ripper, as well 'Acildes' ( i know who he is...just so i wont spoil) granted the later two are different class and look different..but still their are so many servants out their already and even more potential..it seems kind of a waste.

[Tenzen12]

I don't think it's waste.(and Honestly having classic assassins is rare and refreshing event). Narita doesn't try just slap new content here, but build huge construct of story on foundation Type moon laid in previous decades. FSN is continuity porn in it's finest. Yes there is plenty of new characters but even these are made to explore already existing aspects (even if small and forgotten). Also why randomly add new characters, when already existing has lot of nevervused potential? I would say that's much more waste.

As for where to find translations, not sure if it's allowed share, so...

[Gatmar]

Ok managed to find a link for the first volume translation.

I have to say, this Holy Grail war is so freak-in broken, it's practical unbelievable.

We all know of Archer and his astounding arsenal of Treasury.
But than the other servants are so op.
You got the unnamed Assassin who has all the abilities of the 18 Hassan
You have Rider who is literally a walking calamity of the Apocalypse.
You have Berserker, who can shape his form to anything and be anywhere at all times.
You have Lancer. The ultimate weapon created by the most powerful gods who is the literal Divine.
Than you have caster. i feel like he was just added as an ironic joke. but to create Noble phantasms for regular people to control and are better than the originals is also op.

This Holy Grail War can literally bring about the end of the world if they are not careful.

[Renchan]

Originally Posted by Gatmar

I see. Is their a source for all the translations?

Another note. Why re-use the same servants again.. Gilgamesh,, Hassan(i know the assassins rule, but still cant another be summoned in fake grail war) Jack the Ripper, as well 'Acildes' ( i know who he is...just so i wont spoil) granted the later two are different class and look different..but still their are so many servants out their already and even more potential..it seems kind of a waste.

It should be noted that originally Narita wrote the prologue (which later become 80% of Vol. 1) in 2006 as fanfic. Back when there are only FSN, FHA, ad zero, where non-hassan assassin like Kojiro is considered an exception (Zealot-chan technically not a hassan either, since she failed to become the chief). Gil, I think because Narita liked him. Alkeides was mostly for parallel to the original FSN and because being archer is cool. FSF Jack is actually PREDATES the Apocrypha one by 5 years.

Despite being same person, none of them acts like their other series appearance either. Gil act mellower somewhat closer to his GO self thanks to Enkidu in the town, while Alkeides is the exact opposite of his FSN counterpart. Jack and both Hassans are completely diffrent person, obviously.

[alex_drian]

Don't forget the mysterious True Berserker that apparently absorb machinery and growing to Gundam-levels

Prelati with enough skill for create illutions able to deceive the world itself

Richard that can shot Excalibur with whatever him call Excalibur + apparently can summon his own servants?

Alkeides with King's Order that exchange God Hand protection for 12 NP OP if we only knows a few:
- A defense enough powerful for protect of Gate of Babylon
- A NP-thief able of even steal conceptuals NP
- Arrow that turns in stymphalian birds
- Summon of Cerberus

Hyppolyte is mysterious yet and also Sigma and Watcher

[4th Dimension]

Thread necromancy.

Just posting to say that I read all the so far translated novels in practically one go. And I normally have issues with regular Nasuverse fare and before this preffered much maligned Apocrypha to anything else.

But this? This war is just sooooo f-ing BONKERS, in a good way. This is probably the only place that makes even Gil not be absolutely insufferable. Because here, he has actual respectable challengers. Probably the biggest flies in the soup are Pavarati and the Vamp, they just tend to interfeere with the pure fun. Spoilsports. Baze, could be in that group, but so far he impresses me by being a constant MENACE in each scene he is in despite being just a human mage.

The only actual complaint I might have is that this might just be a bit TOO much with too many sides, because in the last novel the writter is then forced to do the time rewind whenever things get interesting to recount what the other group was doing in the mean time. And this isn't excatly the best method to do this.

And now, as if we didn't have enough trouble with Avenger!Herc, Gil, Enkindu, personification of DEATH by disease, a demigoddess, a vampire, but now we have added an actual goddess from Mesopotamia and she is PISSED.
Yeah, there will be a LOT of "gas explosions" in future it seems.

[bakato]

Originally Posted by 4th Dimension

Thread necromancy.

Just posting to say that I read all the so far translated novels in practically one go. And I normally have issues with regular Nasuverse fare and before this preffered much maligned Apocrypha to anything else.

But this? This war is just sooooo f-ing BONKERS, in a good way. This is probably the only place that makes even Gil not be absolutely insufferable. Because here, he has actual respectable challengers. Probably the biggest flies in the soup are Pavarati and the Vamp, they just tend to interfeere with the pure fun. Spoilsports. Baze, could be in that group, but so far he impresses me by being a constant MENACE in each scene he is in despite being just a human mage.

The only actual complaint I might have is that this might just be a bit TOO much with too many sides, because in the last novel the writter is then forced to do the time rewind whenever things get interesting to recount what the other group was doing in the mean time. And this isn't excatly the best method to do this.

And now, as if we didn't have enough trouble with Avenger!Herc, Gil, Enkindu, personification of DEATH by disease, a demigoddess, a vampire, but now we have added an actual goddess from Mesopotamia and she is PISSED.
Yeah, there will be a LOT of "gas explosions" in future it seems.

Awesome Gil isn't anything new. Check out Fate/Extra CCC.

That seems to be a thing with Narito. Every novel dangles more delicious questions without answering previous ones. You should see Bleach Can't Fear Your Own World.

[zerozeronine]

Spoiler:

From summarise I read of vol 5,Gil lost to Alcides because Ishtar locked GoB and Alcides hit Gil with a Hydra poisoned arrow and was on the verge of dying with Enkidu trying to heal him