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View Poll Results: Nisemonogatari - Episode 07 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 31 | 33.33% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 29 | 31.18% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 17 | 18.28% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 8 | 8.60% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 7 | 7.53% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 1.08% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-02-21, 16:09 | Link #101 | |||||
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I have to state this clearly, if not for you for other people. The parts with Sengoku and Kanbaru were necessary. The series attempt at striking everyone's fancy. It can't abandon characters without reason. As it is, in the first half of Karen Bee in the plot Araragi has a parallel route to Karen, where he meets other characters while Karen has her adventure, and meanwhile Araragi get hints at what Karen is doing. That part was ingenious. Also, in doing so the characters got developed. Kanbaru in Nadeko Snake was joking about stripping, and in Nise she actually did it. Sengoku raised her bangs, which was an important detail in the novel, and she also showed a new side of herself. With Hachikuji it was raised the plot point of how long can Hachikuji stay there. These are not co-protagonists, so their importance in the plot of Karen Bee is obviously limited, but they contribute in creating an image of the world of the series as alive and thriving. Quote:
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2012-02-21, 16:16 | Link #102 | |
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2012-02-21, 17:05 | Link #103 |
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She says she plays only the famous games, like Metal Gear. For MSX2. And she also plays Popira 2. It got cut from the anime though.
While not much, there are small details here and there, but they usually the got cut in the adaptation. EDIT: come to think of it, the game Nadeko likes the most must obviously be the Game of Life, which she played with Araragi as a child. Last edited by Shikijin; 2012-02-21 at 17:27. |
2012-02-21, 20:29 | Link #104 | |
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I mean yea, it's only natural to talk about yourself in real life too. I mean, we don't just sit around and wait for plot to happen, and then give exposition after all.
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2012-02-21, 23:39 | Link #107 | |||||
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Kurt Vonnegut (If you don't know him look him up, famous writer), once said and I quote: "Write to please just one person. If you open a window and make love to the world, so to speak, your story will get pneumonia." I think this should apply here, and I really hope Monogatari doesn't run into this issue too much as it goes on. Quote:
I don't think the Sengoku and Kanbaru development though was very good though. Particularly Sengoku. So it was almost like negative development to me. Quote:
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I don't think her development was particularly great in any case, and very little was given at all. She's better than Nadeko though. Nadeko is just a moe blob.
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2012-02-22, 00:05 | Link #108 |
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just think it's Japanese novel style,and Shaft have only been trying to faithful with it. I means all of us probably once read/watch a European or Asian translated novel/drama, and can't understand the point of half of its content... I think someone mentioned before, that this part of the novel at first was considered to be near the end. So every character was mentioned to pay their homage (hence Kanbaru and Sengoku screen time). And then,boom, the author are allowed to write more, and it becomes a bit out of places (sort of). And frankly, Monogatari Series are slowly becoming a picture/sound novel, more than an anime. It's more "dialogues with animated background", than "animated characters with dialogues"
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2012-02-22, 00:06 | Link #109 | |||||
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2012-02-22, 06:17 | Link #111 |
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Sorry if I go back to an old argument but I still don't understand Kaiki's character.
He says that he is like someone who doesn't believe in ghosts but still fears them. Fine. But then he makes some very specific remarks: 1. He feels something threatening hiding in Koyomi's shadow; 2. He understands that Koyomi took half of Karen's illness (this part was visually reinforced by Koyomi's shadow taking the shape of a bee). He shouldn't be able to perceive those things. The second contradiction is about the illness. If it's just the result of hypnosis, how can Koyomi share half of it through a kiss? It doesn't make sense!
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2012-02-22, 06:40 | Link #112 | |
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What Koyomi did with Karen was suck out the effect of the hypnosis. |
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2012-02-22, 06:46 | Link #113 |
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Actually, if I may add to Shikijin and Ominon's points versus any hate, criticism, or boredom which I choose not to read in detail (because of time o_O). One of the main uniqueness in Monogataris is in the dialogue. But unfortunately, things may seem lackluster to some because quite a lot of the language quirks, puns, and other creative use of words, which sometimes hold a deeper meaning or relevance get lost in the translations. It's not a criticism to the translators as this is pretty inevitable for this series. It is thus quite impossible to attain 100% enjoyment of the show if you don't know the language, quite unfortunately. I know I probably didn't get everything even when I've read the source.
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2012-02-22, 07:39 | Link #114 | |||||
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Seriously, it is naive to take any advice literally without its context. What Vonnegut said is just his idea of style, not a universal truth. And he wasn't talk about writing a series of novels. AFAIK he never wrote one. To use another example, Vonnegut also states: "Give your readers as much information as possible as soon as possible. To hell with suspense. Readers should have such complete understanding of what is going on, where and why, that they could finish the story themselves, should cockroaches eat the last few pages." Can you see why this wouldn't work in a mystery novel? Would it make sense to reveal the name of the assassin in the first page of the book? Quote:
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Even if we cut that part of Sengoku and Kanbaru, we would be left with the problem of killing time. How did Araragi spend the day? He must receive the phone call from Hanekawa because Hanekawa is helping Karen that day, which is a plot point. He also must talk with Tsukihi to foreshadow his fight with Karen. Hachikuji also raises the important plot point of whether mentioning kaii to his sisters. In short, the more you rearrange things, the more things you have to rearrange. Not to mention things I can't even allude to because it would be spoiler The real problem with the part of Nadeko is that they cut Araragi's inner thoughts which was what made the scenes funny. The problem is just the adaptation. Quote:
Then again, the confrontation between Araragi and Karen involved their own personal feelings, their idea of justice, and their plans on the best thing to do. It is enough stuff for a story. Quote:
You forgot he even sensed the aura of Kanbaru's monkey paw. Let's say he has the abilities of an occultist, but he views himself as a swindler. In the end all he cares about is money. In his trade he uses even kaii which he knows to be fake. The important thing is that the other person sees them as real. You could say this is a metaphor of himself. He is a fake, but he can be more real than the real. In fact, even the snake curse Nadeko suffered from was his doing. Even though the curse activated only because of Nadeko, it was as effective as a curse as it gets. Quote:
Then again, even with a real virus what Araragi did should have been impossible It's just that in Japan there is a superstition that you can cure a cold by infecting another person with it. |
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2012-02-22, 16:38 | Link #116 |
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For the record, there's something called a Somatoform disorder where you get physical symptoms from a disease that doesn't exist. It's not implausible that he could convince someone they had a fever and it'd actually happen. It's also not implausible that it could be weakened by Karen believing that she shared it.
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2012-02-23, 06:23 | Link #119 | |
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Defend Nisio as much as you want but he is a damn pervert. Kanbaru stripping was completely unnecessary to the story, the same goes for the sisters sleeping naked. Someone even said that Nisemonogatari is Nisio Isin masturbating with a pen.
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