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Shadow5YA · 2013-07-15, 22:06

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That seems to be the general idea, yes.

They can't live forever, because eventually in their undeath they become mindless zombies.

They can't breed because... Well... I guess they just can't?

So those that live are forced to live in fear of those who have died, while those who have died experience an erosion of their mind and body until they become zombies that would murder those around them. Humanity is, indeed, pretty screwed.

They most likely can't have children because the series values the concept of a soul being needed in the process of life and death. No new souls, no birth.

However, people should already know it's not entirely true since Ai was apparently born after "God abandoned the world".

MeoTwister5 · 2013-07-15, 22:14

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Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

They most likely can't have children because the series values the concept of a soul being needed in the process of life and death. No new souls, no birth.

However, people should already know it's not entirely true since Ai was apparently born after "God abandoned the world".

Or that Ai is a special case that doesn't depend on the human concept of life and death. That is to say, she might not be... entirely human.

HandofFate · 2013-07-15, 22:15

Whatever his reasons, I think Hampnie is a jerk, and needs to lighten up.
I wouldn't mind if he wasn't in the story, and the girl just traveled around on her own, and it was self-contained stories of villages and how people react or adjusting to the new world, similar to Kino's Journey type of story.

Shadow5YA · 2013-07-15, 22:27

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Originally Posted by HandofFate

Whatever his reasons, I think Hampnie is a jerk, and needs to lighten up.
I wouldn't mind if he wasn't in the story, and the girl just traveled around on her own, and it was self-contained stories of villages and how people react or adjusting to the new world, similar to Kino's Journey type of story.

I don't think this world is as kind as a Ghibli movie.

Considering Scar's history of "names", I don't think Ai would have survived on her own outside her village, whose people may have been using her anyway.

I still think Alfa's death is very suspicious since she still should have been possible able to function and care for her daughter a little longer as a zombie. The only two possible ways for her to get buried are that A) she consented to it (which would raise the question why she didn't tell her daughter anything), or B) someone "killed" and incapacitated her, which would place the entire village under suspicion.

Chiibi · 2013-07-15, 22:31

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Originally Posted by HandofFate

Whatever his reasons, I think Hampnie is a jerk, and needs to lighten up.
I wouldn't mind if he wasn't in the story, and the girl just traveled around on her own, and it was self-contained stories of villages and how people react or adjusting to the new world, similar to Kino's Journey type of story.

Good God, if he wasn't in it, I wouldn't be NEARLY as hooked as I am! D:

Dark Wing · 2013-07-16, 18:44

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I don't think this world is as kind as a Ghibli movie.

Considering Scar's history of "names", I don't think Ai would have survived on her own outside her village, whose people may have been using her anyway.

Most likely Grave Keepers are feared and hated because they take loved ones away but it was most likely a job they never wanted but had no choice in the matter.

Shadow5YA · 2013-07-16, 18:47

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Most likely Grave Keepers are feared and hated because they take loved ones away but it was most likely a job they never wanted but had no choice in the matter.

I don't think Grave Keepers can want anything. You saw how Humpnie asked Ai and later Scar. It was like he was asking a robot or some kind of supercomputer.

Tenzen12 · 2013-07-16, 18:51

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Most likely Grave Keepers are feared and hated because they take loved ones away but it was most likely a job they never wanted but had no choice in the matter.

Most likely Grave Keepers are welcomed and worshiped, becasue they take loved ones away, when their time comes. But it was job they never wanted as they doesn't seem have any own will in first place.

Dark Wing · 2013-07-16, 19:11

Oh I see... Also if Ai is a Grave Keeper hybrid then dose that mean all Grave Keepers can have children?

I liked Hampnie's story about what happened 15 years ago that there wasn’t actually some voice from the heavens, but rather that just one day, without anyone realizing it at the time, death and birth just–stopped. That’s easier to imagine, and it grounds the story in reality.

Traece · 2013-07-16, 20:17

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Most likely Grave Keepers are welcomed and worshiped, becasue they take loved ones away, when their time comes. But it was job they never wanted as they doesn't seem have any own will in first place.

The impression that Scar gives is that gravekeepers are vilified to some degree. Perhaps because of their robot-like actions, and the nature of their existence. Even though the undead are supposed to become murderous zombies, I suspect that a lot of people would still despise the gravekeepers because they are intended to put the undead to rest. As we've seen, not everyone agrees with that.

I suspect that it's split. Some people probably like them and others probably hate them. At the very least, we know they receive abuse from society.

Tougarashi · 2013-07-17, 10:15

No wonder when the female viewers rate for the coolest anime guys and then came out villains from all the anime. Hampnie is so kakoii in here as well. His style even remind me about Makishima Shogo from Psycho-Pass and Izaya from Durarara. Bad guys always came with a style.

Kirarakim · 2013-07-17, 10:41

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No wonder when the female viewers rate for the coolest anime guys and then came out villains from all the anime. Hampnie is so kakoii in here as well. His style even remind me about Makishima Shogo from Psycho-Pass and Izaya from Durarara. Bad guys always came with a style.

It is pretty clear that unlike Izaya and Makishima, Hampnie is not a villain. If I were to guess I would say is somewhat of anti-hero. He kills people who need to die.

He is a bit rough and cold with Ai, but I don't think for one second he was really going to kill her.

MeoTwister5 · 2013-07-17, 10:58

I'm actually starting to think that this is my favorite role of Toyosaki Aki to date.

ApathyEcstasy · 2013-07-17, 17:32

Episode 2 has me confused about the white-haired guy's motivations. First he almost [spoilers] the loli, and then Julie [spoilers] her as a threat to white-haired guy, then white-haired guy loses interest in [spoilers] the loli and starts being [spoilers] to her. Confusing? Horrible writing?

Dop · 2013-07-17, 17:41

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It is pretty clear that unlike Izaya and Makishima, Hampnie is not a villain. If I were to guess I would say is somewhat of anti-hero. He kills people who need to die.

He is a bit rough and cold with Ai, but I don't think for one second he was really going to kill her.

I agree with that. I think when he had a gun to Ai's head he was testing her resolve - not "I don't want to die" but "I want to live" - rather than simply threatening her.

Ai is a mystery of a kind, so perhaps he's intrigued that she's not like the other Gravekeepers he's met, which might be another reason to bring her along.

Dr. Casey · 2013-07-17, 17:42

Oh, this looks fun. I think that Hampbert [spoilers] Ai-chan, but he can't [spoilers] because Hana reminds him that [spoilers], and Julie's involvement also muddies the waters because [spoilers].

ApathyEcstasy · 2013-07-17, 17:46

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Oh, this looks fun. I think that Hampbert [spoilers] Ai-chan, but he can't [spoilers] because Hana reminds him that [spoilers], and Julie's involvement also muddies the waters because [spoilers].

How can Hana remind him that [spoilers] if he is [spoilers] for Hana anyways? Also it's very clear that he fully intended to [spoilers] the loli and was a millisecond away from [spoilers] the loli because they do a zoom in of the [spoilers] as it gradually moved.

erhyka · 2013-07-17, 18:28

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How can Hana remind him that [spoilers] if he is [spoilers] for Hana anyways? Also it's very clear that he fully intended to [spoilers] the loli and was a millisecond away from [spoilers] the loli because they do a zoom in of the [spoilers] as it gradually moved.

what!? I'm curious!!!! hmmfp

Dark Wing · 2013-07-17, 19:39

Okay what? I can't follow any of the above post can someone explain to me why spoiler is plastered all over the place?

SeijiSensei · 2013-07-17, 19:43

I don't know what all that is supposed to mean either, but if the [spoilers] are references to the source material, please go discuss it over here: http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=120427

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HandofFate Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006	Whatever his reasons, I think Hampnie is a jerk, and needs to lighten up. I wouldn't mind if he wasn't in the story, and the girl just traveled around on her own, and it was self-contained stories of villages and how people react or adjusting to the new world, similar to Kino's Journey type of story.

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ApathyEcstasy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: USA	Episode 2 has me confused about the white-haired guy's motivations. First he almost [spoilers] the loli, and then Julie [spoilers] her as a threat to white-haired guy, then white-haired guy loses interest in [spoilers] the loli and starts being [spoilers] to her. Confusing? Horrible writing?

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Dr. Casey Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Tennessee Age: 36	Oh, this looks fun. I think that Hampbert [spoilers] Ai-chan, but he can't [spoilers] because Hana reminds him that [spoilers], and Julie's involvement also muddies the waters because [spoilers].