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Fome · 2011-10-09, 15:07

Well it's obvious assassin is not really dead this episode. I can only surmise that he has an ability that revives him, or he can play dead. Or maybe he can make clones or something. I'm sure all of you who've read the novel are raging at my shitty speculation

Also, best OP and ED I've seen in a long while.

Luminisk · 2011-10-09, 16:40

Alexander the Great is a lot more older and easy going than I expected.
Now, if some of his awesomeness can rub off on Waver.

SoldierOfDarkness · 2011-10-09, 16:46

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Originally Posted by Fome

Well it's obvious assassin is not really dead this episode. I can only surmise that he has an ability that revives him, or he can play dead. Or maybe he can make clones or something. I'm sure all of you who've read the novel are raging at my shitty speculation

Also, best OP and ED I've seen in a long while.

He dead man he dead. He ain't coming back from the grave.

Unless Archer is that great of an actor.

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Alexander the Great is a lot more older and easy going than I expected.
Now, if some of his awesomeness can rub off on Waver.

Artistic license I know but Alexander the Great shouldn't even be that big to begin with

Haak · 2011-10-09, 17:40

I thought Alexander the Great didn't have a beard...

creb · 2011-10-09, 17:43

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I thought Alexander the Great didn't have a beard...

You know this is a work of fiction...right?

Forsaken_Infinity · 2011-10-09, 17:46

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Originally Posted by Haak

I thought Alexander the Great didn't have a beard...

Why'd you think that? O_o

chaos_alfa · 2011-10-09, 17:56

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Why'd you think that? O_o

http://www.google.nl/search?gcx=c&ix...w=1372&bih=815

In no picture here he has a bread.

Jean Claymore · 2011-10-09, 18:19

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Originally Posted by Fome

Well it's obvious assassin is not really dead this episode. I can only surmise that he has an ability that revives him, or he can play dead. Or maybe he can make clones or something. I'm sure all of you who've read the novel are raging at my shitty speculation

Also, best OP and ED I've seen in a long while.

Nah, he IS dead but NOT dead

ZeKeR · 2011-10-09, 18:21

so anyone wants to start the annoying debate about how the Great Rider of Macedon was gay/bi?

Azami · 2011-10-09, 18:22

The first two episodes of this anime have been mind-blowing, and I have really high expectations for the rest of the series - I especially like the art style and most of the characters.
However because of my lack of previous experience with the Fate franchise I have found some things about it really confusing, like some of the terms that have been used (prana? magic circuit? familiar?) and the actual requirements for summoning a servant (I didn't see Ryuunosuke using any relic such as Excalibur's sheath or skin of the first snake), but hopefully I will come to understand them as I watch more episodes.

I also found this on another forum earlier today:

Spoiler for picture:

LostHanyou · 2011-10-09, 18:27

That chart is pretty stupid but I won't go into detail as to why.

Cherry_Lover · 2011-10-09, 18:36

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I'm not sure if this is legit, but judging by the stats of the characters (not counting that one omake char)

I'm pretty sure it's not legit. The fifth category (and how it changes for everyone) should be a big enough hint, really. Oh, and the other character isn't an "omake", he's the protagonist of the sequel. He's presumably there for comparison....

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I have to wonder what is the point of some of them even participating in the war?

The only good stats for Ryuunosuke for example are "hobby" and "courage", and his servant is mediocre so I would assume that he does not stand a chance against Kirisugu or Tokiomi.

His "point" for participating is to kill people. And, indeed, he didn't even know what he was signing up for....

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I would also like to know if a powerful mage can actually beat a servant in direct battle, because if the servants are always stronger than humans wouldn't Kirei be totally screwed in this war because his servant is so weak? On the other hand would it be possible for Waver to beat Archibald with his overpowered servant even though Archibald's magic and combat abilities are vastly superior?

Servants are supposed to be far more powerful than magi, so in general it's not, no. They can attack other masters, though....

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Check out Kariya's luck btw

Well, yeah, he's not the luckiest of people. Although, having said that, pretty much everything that has gone wrong here has been due to his own actions, rather than bad luck (the exception being Sakura being given away, and really that's more her bad luck than his).

SorenSan · 2011-10-09, 19:31

Question for those who read the novel... is knowing berserker true identity a big spoiler?

hoarfrost · 2011-10-09, 19:33

It is in the novel, but ufotable apparently aren't treating it as one given how blatant the ED still is to anyone with cursory knowledge of the legend.

Yuna Amakura · 2011-10-09, 19:42

LOL at the chart. This is from Persona 4.

Azami · 2011-10-09, 19:47

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Originally Posted by Cherry_Lover

I'm pretty sure it's not legit. The fifth category (and how it changes for everyone) should be a big enough hint, really. Of, and the other character isn't an "omake", he's the protagonist of the sequel. He's presumably there for comparison....

Well yeah, I didn't take most of the chart seriously because of the non-consistent and totally retarded categories that most of the characters had but I was mainly thinking about the power statistics.
The text at the top that sequel character's chart says omake so that's why I referred to him as such.

Would it be a bad idea to watch the sequel series now, before finishing this one? My plan was to watch it after Zero so that the events would be in chronological order but maybe I could get a better grasp of the series' concepts by watching it first.

Vicious108 · 2011-10-09, 20:37

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Would it be a bad idea to watch the sequel series now, before finishing this one? My plan was to watch it after Zero so that the events would be in chronological order but maybe I could get a better grasp of the series' concepts by watching it first.

You certainly would. Fate/Stay Night is the true introduction to the "Fateverse" and has a lot more world-building than Fate/Zero. This prequel is clearly one of those that's aimed at people who've already experienced what proceeds it chronologically. There are a lot of moments that are almost "winks" to people who've gone through F/SN. Now obviously you don't absolutely need to have experienced it in order to follow the story of Zero, but having done so can only increase your enjoyment and understanding of the latter in my opinion.

Either way, if you do wish to experience the F/SN, I'd recommend going with reading/playing it, aka the Visual Novel, rather than watching the anime, which was a rather crummy adaptation. Though that might be a little too time consuming for you, I suppose.

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2011-10-09, 21:02

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so anyone wants to start the annoying debate about how the Great Rider of Macedon was gay/bi?

No, thank you. I already receive enough answers/guesses to that question of mine from other posters

. Now I'm just wondering why Bluebeard's eyes look like that.

Sheba · 2011-10-09, 21:09

Probably to show how far gone over the edge he is. The real bluebeard is portrayed as prettier in french paintings. Honestly, Zero Caster makes me want to see Elizabeth Bathory as Servant.

DragoZERO · 2011-10-09, 22:08

The endings can be a little spoilerish, but only if you are familiar with all of those legends and I don't think the average person is.

And to be honest, the only servants whose identity I ever cared about was F/SN Rider (whose identity I suspected from the beginning of Fate, haha) and Saber's. When I found out everyone else's, it was just a general "That's cool" reaction.

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Azami Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Finland Age: 32	The first two episodes of this anime have been mind-blowing, and I have really high expectations for the rest of the series - I especially like the art style and most of the characters. However because of my lack of previous experience with the Fate franchise I have found some things about it really confusing, like some of the terms that have been used (prana? magic circuit? familiar?) and the actual requirements for summoning a servant (I didn't see Ryuunosuke using any relic such as Excalibur's sheath or skin of the first snake), but hopefully I will come to understand them as I watch more episodes. I also found this on another forum earlier today: Spoiler for picture: I'm not sure if this is legit, but judging by the stats of the characters (not counting that one omake char) I have to wonder what is the point of some of them even participating in the war? The only good stats for Ryuunosuke for example are "hobby" and "courage", and his servant is mediocre so I would assume that he does not stand a chance against Kirisugu or Tokiomi. I would also like to know if a powerful mage can actually beat a servant in direct battle, because if the servants are always stronger than humans wouldn't Kirei be totally screwed in this war because his servant is so weak? On the other hand would it be possible for Waver to beat Archibald with his overpowered servant even though Archibald's magic and combat abilities are vastly superior? Check out Kariya's luck btw

2011-10-09, 15:07	Link #121
Fome Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Well it's obvious assassin is not really dead this episode. I can only surmise that he has an ability that revives him, or he can play dead. Or maybe he can make clones or something. I'm sure all of you who've read the novel are raging at my shitty speculation Also, best OP and ED I've seen in a long while.

2011-10-09, 18:27	Link #131
LostHanyou Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA	That chart is pretty stupid but I won't go into detail as to why.

2011-10-09, 19:31	Link #133
SorenSan Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011	Question for those who read the novel... is knowing berserker true identity a big spoiler?

2011-10-09, 19:33	Link #134
hoarfrost Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Age: 31	It is in the novel, but ufotable apparently aren't treating it as one given how blatant the ED still is to anyone with cursory knowledge of the legend.

2011-10-09, 19:42	Link #135
Yuna Amakura Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Age: 32	LOL at the chart. This is from Persona 4.

2011-10-09, 21:09	Link #139
Sheba RUN, YOU FOOLS! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Formerly Iwakawa base and Chaldea. Now Teyvat, the Astral Express & the Outpost Age: 44	Probably to show how far gone over the edge he is. The real bluebeard is portrayed as prettier in french paintings. Honestly, Zero Caster makes me want to see Elizabeth Bathory as Servant.

2011-10-09, 22:08	Link #140
DragoZERO Spoilaphobic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: USA Age: 37	The endings can be a little spoilerish, but only if you are familiar with all of those legends and I don't think the average person is. And to be honest, the only servants whose identity I ever cared about was F/SN Rider (whose identity I suspected from the beginning of Fate, haha) and Saber's. When I found out everyone else's, it was just a general "That's cool" reaction. __________________ • Anime List \| Manga List \| Manga Thread Template •