(L) Shokugeki no Soma [Manga]

[Black Moon Rin]

Originally Posted by Log

There was other ways that Erina's character could've developed without "super edgy asshole father that was barely hinted at abusing her from childhood". For instance it would've been believable if Erina's jerkass behavior was a result of isolation from her peers as well as the pressure of having so much expectations heaped on her that she doesn't understand social interactions and uses her jerkass attitude as a defensive mechanism. It would've explained her character and behavior without suddenly having "devil dad #110000" introduced as well as given her room for development. Even if you don't think my explanation resolves Erina's character surely there's some other way to develop her.

In all honesty I would have preferred this as well. I just figured since it seemed that Tsukuda was ready to introduce her father he used him to speed things up a bit. Could it have been better handled? Of course.

[n0m@n]

Seems like the spoiler is out.

Spoiler for 181:

Pretty much a cooking preperation chapter. Doujima makes a comment about how much Akira's skill improved and the current Souma has no chance of beating him at this rate. Souma thinks its better to use the bear meats trait rather than to eliminate its smell. Souma decides to head out to the mountain to see what kind of environment the bear lives in.

Though like always we cant trust it 100% till we get an image at least.

[Hakai]

Originally Posted by n0m@n

Seems like the spoiler is out.

Spoiler for 181:

Pretty much a cooking preperation chapter. Doujima makes a comment about how much Akira's skill improved and the current Souma has no chance of beating him at this rate. Souma thinks its better to use the bear meats trait rather than to eliminate its smell. Souma decides to head out to the mountain to see what kind of environment the bear lives in.

Though like always we cant trust it 100% till we get an image at least.

Spoiler for if true:

Defeat flag for Akira o_0

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Cake-Carrot

Spoiler for if true:

Defeat flag for Akira o_0

Spoiler for Regardless of what any spoiler says:

The stakes of Souma being expelled if he loses was already a defeat flag for Hayama.

[Skaddix]

We could get another effing tie. Still I wanted to know who the other rebels are fighting. Glad to see Azami looks at Megumi and the rest and thinks Scrubs. Still he has to send someone good against Alice and Ryou right?

[DragonOsman]

@Skaddix: Yeah, hopefully he'll send someone worthwhile to Ryou and Alice. They don't deserve anything less.

And yeah, I agree about the spoiler with you guys.

Thanks for the spoiler, Noman.

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by Skaddix

We could get another effing tie. Still I wanted to know who the other rebels are fighting. Glad to see Azami looks at Megumi and the rest and thinks Scrubs. Still he has to send someone good against Alice and Ryou right?

Or another Soma vs Eishi Tsukasa copout.

Dojima: The winner is Hayama. The bear meat he cooked was beyond godlike. This is complete victory of Hayama.

Hayama: I won..again, but I've decided not to expel you because you are so much fun. *Take out a cellphone* *Make a call* This is Hayama, Soma passed the exam.

Rindo: I don't mind with your decision because plot.

Hayama: Work harder Soma, I am looking forward for my 4th win on you.

Soma: Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Dojima: This is lucky turn of event for you. By the way, I knew someone that you should be friend with..His Eng name is..Ash and Satoshi in Japan, I think.

[Skaddix]

Eh I guess its not an incredible stretch. I don't think Hayama gives a damn about actually expelling Soma. Dojuma certainly doesn't. And Rindou is kinda Laisez-Faire.

[NAJ P. Jackson]

Originally Posted by Sixth

Or another Soma vs Eishi Tsukasa copout.

Dojima: The winner is Hayama. The bear meat he cooked was beyond godlike. This is complete victory of Hayama.

Hayama: I won..again, but I've decided not to expel you because you are so much fun. *Take out a cellphone* *Make a call* This is Hayama, Soma passed the exam.

Rindo: I don't mind with your decision because plot.

Hayama: Work harder Soma, I am looking forward for my 4th win on you.

Soma: Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Dojima: This is lucky turn of event for you. By the way, I knew someone that you should be friend with..His Eng name is..Ash and Satoshi in Japan, I think.

If Hayama wins again I riot

[Skaddix]

LOL Soma is Ash. That is so true. Of course Soma doesn't have a broken Pikachu.

[KrimzonStriker]

Man, Shokugeki can't win for nothing, doesn't seem like anyone would be universally happy if either Soma or Hayama won

[GDB]

Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker

Man, Shokugeki can't win for nothing, doesn't seem like anyone would be universally happy if either Soma or Hayama won

It's almost like people have different opinions.

Though it IS on the writer for creating a situation where Soma cannot lose because of plot armor. That's the biggest failing of the Central "arc".

[NAJ P. Jackson]

Originally Posted by GDB

It's almost like people have different opinions.

Sarcasm at its finest

[KrimzonStriker]

Originally Posted by GDB

It's almost like people have different opinions.

Though it IS on the writer for creating a situation where Soma cannot lose because of plot armor. That's the biggest failing of the Central "arc".

That's fine if I didn't also think nobody would be happy even if their preference won out, because they'd be instantly derided by the other side

That's kind of the standard for every shounen manga hero though, no one really expects the main protagonist to die in any of those other series do they? It's all about the journey in these kinds of stories cause some things are inevitably written in stone in order for it to function in the first place.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker

That's kind of the standard for every shounen manga hero though, no one really expects the main protagonist to die in any of those other series do they? It's all about the journey in these kinds of stories cause some things are inevitably written in stone in order for it to function in the first place.

Dragon Ball. Or really anything with a tournament (like Yu Yu Hakusho) where a main character can lose without dying.

But really, outside of a couple of previous matches (vs Nikumi, vs Mimasaka), Souma didn't have this level of plot armor. vs Shinomiya was a bit different since they DID lose, but that whole thing was character building and no one was expelled.

The main point being that it didn't use to be a constant string of "do or die" battles. There was tension most of the time. Every battle since Central started has gone exactly as expected, even the match against Tsukasa where he should have lost with consequences. Instead, he lost but the consequences were hand-waved, as we mostly expected because plot armor. At this point they might as well not even cook and just gloss over it like they did the second half of the Stagiaire.

[KrimzonStriker]

Because they're tournaments, in the actual battle arcs with the bad guys which I consider the Central Arc to be, with things on the line all the MC get plot armor in one way or another cause dragon ball revival or something.

Hey first off, if the match with Shinomiya was character development then so was his half of the Stargire Arc so let's get that straight. And if some of the secondary characters go at some point then I expect the tension will ramp back up again, we'll see but I really don't see how this is any worse then any other shounen series with Natsu,Luffy, Ichigo, or Naruto or whoever going into a fight where convenient plot twists will fall their way

[GDB]

Stagiaire was a month. They only showed two weeks (week 1 with Hisako, week 2 with Shinomiya). That's what I meant by glossing over the second half. We have no idea where he went or what he did in weeks 3 or 4.

And being "not any worse" than generic shounen when it used to be vastly better isn't really a positive thing...

[KrimzonStriker]

^Ah, alright, to be fair they could be saving that for an appropriate situation, ie Kurokiba's spice shop flashback during his Survivor Hunt battle.

I'm just saying that there's not a lot of wiggle room when your in this type of setting, since the main character can't outright lose otherwise it shuts down the whole story, so I'm treating this more as once again character development, seeing how Soma's skill has improved along with how his relationship with others, such as Erina, continues to evolve.

[Skaddix]

Well in those mangas there is a chance a good guy might die. Theoretically of course. It never happens in Bleach or Fairy Tail. And it doesn't happen often in Naruto or One Piece. Compared to that Expulsion isn't really the same level. But yes the main protag cant die or at least its rare enough before the very end. Still maybe a few expulsions of some lesser Polar Star Members and other Rebels would be good motivation to add some stakes. Granted I don't expect Soma to lose and leave unless he goes on a road trip with dad to train up before coming back to kick butt. But surely we can toss some of the rest.

[Sixth]

Eng scan is out.

Dojima just triggered Hayama's defeat flag.

Dojima should have say something like Soma, you can beat Hayama at your current level. Go! Go!

Kuga's monks were so useful.