(L+CR) Isekai Maou to Shoukan Shoujo no Dorei Majutsu

[Klad]

I hope the Fallen commander joins Diaburo's harem

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Though in the positive side this should allow Rem and Celes to show off what they can do without having anyone there to back them up.

Originally Posted by Lukes YGO & WS on YT

Oh dear another fallen is after Rem, I do want to see Celes in action and see what she is capable of seeing that she is the leader of the mages and held in such high regard by the people.[/SPOILER]

Unfortunately all of Celes' magical power is tied up in maintaining the barrier around the city. The barrier can withstand an attack even by a demon lord, but so long as it's up Celes is effectively powerless. That's why killing her is the first thing any fallen invader would aim for.

[rladls2121]

Celes, your last assumption is wrong though.
But she is right on this "Isekai Maou", since that doesn't make any sense at all.
Diablo made that up, I think it's funny when you think about it.
Where Diablo really came from, and who he really is is something both simple and complicated at the same time just saying.

Unrelated, but the game kind of feels like Destiny.
Not that it is similar, but somewhere just feels like it the way the game-like story goes.

Things are getting interesting.

[Kuroageha]

Originally Posted by pervypig

I got a feeling this season's gonna go up to 3 Vol.

By the way, for all those interested, the author's the same one as Altina Sword Princess, so you can bet on da MC being some goody-2-shoe wont kill unless absolutely necessary... frankly, ima kinda tired of this kinda hero...

Atlina's mc doesn't fights tho.

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

Unfortunately all of Celes' magical power is tied up in maintaining the barrier around the city. The barrier can withstand an attack even by a demon lord, but so long as it's up Celes is effectively powerless. That's why killing her is the first thing any fallen invader would aim for.

Well correction then. Good luck Rem, you've got this !

Originally Posted by rladls2121

Celes, your last assumption is wrong though.
But she is right on this "Isekai Maou", since that doesn't make any sense at all.
Diablo made that up, I think it's funny when you think about it.
Where Diablo really came from, and who he really is is something both simple and complicated at the same time just saying.

Unrelated, but the game kind of feels like Destiny.
Not that it is similar, but somewhere just feels like it the way the game-like story goes.

Things are getting interesting.

I don't think Diablo being a literal demon lord from another realm is any less unbelievable than a summoning spell merging Diablo the game character with the human who controls him from his computer and summoning that combination to their world. Heck Rem and Shera somehow summoning a demon lord seems more probable by comparison .

Regardless though, Rem is right in there being nothing to worry about there. There's a collar of obedience around her neck, just that alone would make it incredibly easy to kill her if Diablo cared to. It's almost silly for Celes to even consider him being a fallen a possibility.

[rladls2121]

I wonder what is the deal though?
I still have not hear Rem and Shera years of age.
Clearly Shera is basically a child in an adult-like body.
I said adult-like body because the most part of her body looks like it is still a child except for something that is moving in front of its chest.
Rem has the child body, but not completely a child and i think it is because of her face.
And being mature as its character's purpose to be.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

In terms of power he's probably on the level of Ainz.

I doubt that. For one thing, I don't think Ainz would need to "watch his MP" to take care of those scrubs. One good spell and they're gone.

[DracoS]

Yer, prety sure Ainz is stronger, even before you take into acxount Ainz has some grade A backup and surport.

[Magewolf]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

I doubt that. For one thing, I don't think Ainz would need to "watch his MP" to take care of those scrubs. One good spell and they're gone.

On the other hand I do not think Ainz can just bounce all hostile magic back at the caster.

They are both max leveled, endgame geared characters. So their power difference will mostly come down to the difference in their original games. However if they are even close in power Diablo could probably crush Ainz in a fight easily. Since he is an elite pvper while Ainz is a whale with decent theory-craft.

[xeviouses]

Celes deciding that Diablo might be a Fallen is a good thing for her, a person of authority that is suspicious of an unknown is good rather than just blindly trusting someone like so many stories do.


Ainz is stronger than Diablo if barely, he's powerful enough on his own but its his support that's to watch out for, they're no slouches themselves and Diablo will be focused on Ainz.

Though it's hard to compare the two since their origin games are different.

[Liddo-kun]

On Ainz vs Diablo... it's really hard to tell in 1 vs 1. Both have overpowered gear and max levelled. The battle would probably last a long time, and will be decided on who runs out of useful items first to restore MP. I've watched Pvp's in Ragnarok Online between high level players, if evenly matched on gear... it then comes down to personall skill level and character stats -- we don 't use items on some personal 1 vs 1, it's done on computer shops where both players are present with people watching, so no one can cheat by using items. XD

[DemonneoPT]

It's pretty obvious Ainz came from a game with way more broken/OP spells compared to Diablo. The guy could not even one-shot those monsters to begin with.

This anime is delivering and being way better than expected. That scene where Diablo fought the blonde dude with us seeing our MC thoughs regarding PvP and the way pros used their skills in the game, was the highlight imo. This might be an harem with fanservice but at least the author did not forget the background story and actually is exploring a lot of interesting points regarding this "what if" scenario of a human gamer/avatar trapped in a fantasy world. And the comedy with Diablo's expressions is gold which is nice. Well done.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by DemonneoPT

It's pretty obvious Ainz came from a game with way more broken/OP spells compared to Diablo. The guy could not even one-shot those monsters to begin with.

Diablo isn't hitting them with all he's got here. He has several more powerful spells (some much more powerful) but they also have higher MP costs as well as longer casting times. A spell that takes 30 seconds to cast is not the best thing to use in a melee, after all.

As for Diablo vs Ainz, I think what it comes down to is the difference between the magics in their universes. Ainz comes from a universe where magic totally frikken broken, which allows for some stupidly ridiculous capabilities. Diablo's is more balanced, keeping casters from dominating everything with various limitations.

[Lex79]

Originally Posted by Klad

I hope the Fallen commander joins Diaburo's harem

Why would Diablo ever want to associate with an enemy....wait, she is a cute girl in an harem series. It's definitely going to happen.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

Diablo isn't hitting them with all he's got here. He has several more powerful spells (some much more powerful) but they also have higher MP costs as well as longer casting times. A spell that takes 30 seconds to cast is not the best thing to use in a melee, after all.

As for Diablo vs Ainz, I think what it comes down to is the difference between the magics in their universes. Ainz comes from a universe where magic totally frikken broken, which allows for some stupidly ridiculous capabilities. Diablo's is more balanced, keeping casters from dominating everything with various limitations.

Yggdrasil's balanced too. Warrior types just have equally powerful skills and items. (For example, the strongest in the guild was a tank warrior, not a magician.)

Originally Posted by Liddo-kun

On Ainz vs Diablo... it's really hard to tell in 1 vs 1. Both have overpowered gear and max levelled. The battle would probably last a long time, and will be decided on who runs out of useful items first to restore MP. I've watched Pvp's in Ragnarok Online between high level players, if evenly matched on gear... it then comes down to personall skill level and character stats -- we don 't use items on some personal 1 vs 1, it's done on computer shops where both players are present with people watching, so no one can cheat by using items. XD

No, one of two things would happen, and they'd both result in a short fight:
- Ainz casts a spell powerful enough to one-shot himself, which is reflected.
- Ainz figures out magic is reflected (if only because his own spells come back to him), summons one or more high level undead warriors, and kills Diablo with them.

The former is very unlikely though, both because he's a prudent player, and because he specializes in instant death spells. Those wouldn't affect an undead.

(I guess there's a third possibility: Ainz uses skills, which aren't magic. Like his Death Aura.)

[nojay]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

Diablo's is more balanced, keeping casters from dominating everything with various limitations.

Diablo's Big Thing is the use of Elemental magic which he has in a very powerful form compared to the locals. This seems to be because, in this world Summoning magic is a lot safer -- Summon a monster to fight for you and if you lose you can run away. Getting good at Elemental magic by levelling up in combat involves the direct risk of dying, and losing once in this world is the end unlike games where you respawn, maybe sacrificing some levels or status.

It wasn't shown in the Overlord anime but it was mentioned in the LN around the time of the Shalltear fight that Ainz Ooal Gown was actually quite good in Yggaddrisil PvP combat but he usually had to take a loss to his opponent to learn enough about them to put together a winning strategy the next time around. He wasn't the best in the guild though compared to a fighter like Perororoncino-san. Diablo can't afford to lose once (and neither can Ainz of course, now.).

[moridin84]

One difference between Overlord and Isekai Maou is that in Overlord almost everyone except for Ainz and his buddies are low level whereas in Isekai Maou there are actually antagonists with reasonably high levels. Edeldart is something like level 100? Or maybe only 80 or something.

The difference is that Overlord is more about intrigue whereas most things get resolved in Isekai Maou with violence. It was be pretty boring if he was fighting level 50s.

Originally Posted by nojay

Diablo's Big Thing

Spoiler for image:

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by moridin84

Edeldart is something like level 100? Or maybe only 80 or something.

Spoiler:

Uncertain, but we know she is at least level 80, because in the upcoming fight she uses an attack that can only be learned then. Still far below the level 150 Diablo with his endgame equipment, but she's way more powerful than the "strongest adventurer in the Faltra guild" Emil.

[eiyuuou]

emile is lv 50, and diablo still ohko him with a physical normal attack.
unfortunately, This "low level norm" doesn't apply to the mazoku, which appears in episode 3 onwards, which were mentioned to appear as boss monsters in the game. right, basically he's playing a boss rush mode.

on the other hand, a 3rd tier out of 10 tier spells, Archangel Flame, just a a herd of them gave Gazef Stronoff, the Strongest Warrior of the Kingdom, a very hard time and even raised his death flag were not ainz saving his hide. amazed at ainz not running out of mp against low level creatures is actually the amazing thing itself.
even the lizards and the hamster were but low level mobs for ainz.

[rladls2121]

I would love to play this kind of game, if it is really a game.
I wonder when Diablo will not have to fight strong enemies directly alone in the future?
Though he is on high level, no whether he is on high level or not he played this game alone.
But, except as of now he is not really playing, he is fighting for real so it is more harder for other people to fight alongside him to help out.
I have a feeling Diablo is afraid of losing someone, so he'll push others away from the frontline almost all the time, and if some enemy finds out this weak point of his then more despair for him maybe.