(L+CR) Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon Crystal [Anticipation]

[Chiibi]

Originally Posted by Fiemma

so creppy design looks like KANON 2003 :O

o_O

It doesn't look anything like that at all! It's pretty and cute! >:I

[Mura]

This does remind me when we'll get an update on the series. I don't think we've heard anything since it was announced.

[VampirePaladin]

Originally Posted by Matts

As long as they keep the odango-atama joke from Mamoru in instead of that stupid 'bakatte nani yo?' from the live action, I'll be ok with the couple. Though if it's going to be a direct adaptation of the manga, I'm really scared they might add that stupid

Spoiler for manga and anime end:

suicide scene. Serenity doing it was bad enough, but when Usagi did it in the present, I felt really uncomfortable about it. I liked how Usagi in the anime didn't even kiss Mamoru goodbye and went into the final battle, thinking of her friends' sacrifice and how they couldn't say goodbye to their loved ones.

The manga might be darker, but it has a lot more of those inappropriate messages for young girls. Even the live discarded those ideas and made Usagi much more sympathetic, they probably figured by that point that doing that scene would kill the character and the story of the present.

Which is funny, cause I am hoping for something more like the live action version of their relationship. It is the only version of Usagi/Mamoru that I like.

[Matts]

Oh, I think the live action had the best development between Usagi and Mamoru, even if I could have lived without the Special Act. While I didn't think the relationship was a 100% ok, specialy by the end of the show, it was still miles better than the manga and the anime, so I'm all for that. I just never, ever want to hear the 'Baka!' 'Bakatte nani yo!' exchange ever again. Maybe it was Miyu's voice, but by the time I got to the Special Act, I felt like throwing something at her, and I have no problem with the character otherwise.

[Daniel Lind]

This does remind me when we'll get an update on the series. I don't think we've heard anything since it was announced.

In summer, say the obi for the latest manga reprint.

[T-6000]

Originally Posted by VampirePaladin

Which is funny, cause I am hoping for something more like the live action version of their relationship. It is the only version of Usagi/Mamoru that I like.

I actually liked their relationship in the Manga the best. It felt like it developed at a good, normal pace while the Anime, it felt too forced. It may have seemed extreme when Usagi killed herself in the present with the sword, but I can easily imagine some couples going through that kind of grief when they loose a loved one (or they think they loose a loved one).

Originally Posted by Mura

This does remind me when we'll get an update on the series. I don't think we've heard anything since it was announced.

God knows when we'll get an update, though I'm starting to loose my patience. We're in the middle of January and so far no trailer, no screenshots, no concept art, not even *any* bit of new info!

(well since it looks like I'm sticking around a bit longer than I thought, I really should get an Avatar and Signature for my Forum account here)

[NoemiChan]

Originally Posted by T-6000

God knows when we'll get an update, though I'm starting to loose my patience. We're in the middle of January and so far no trailer, no screenshots, no concept art, not even *any* bit of new info!

I expect a lot from Sailormoon since its the very first anime I fell in loved with. I think its the best Mahou series out there..... Sailormoon is a legend for me...

[Chiibi]

Originally Posted by T-6000

I actually liked their relationship in the Manga the best. It felt like it developed at a good, normal pace while the Anime, it felt too forced.

Yeah....I like how she starting falling for him in the manga BEFORE she knew his identity. You didn't get that so much in the manga.

It may have seemed extreme when Usagi killed herself in the present with the sword, but I can easily imagine some couples going through that kind of grief when they loose a loved one (or they think they loose a loved one).

*nod*
Most people see this as weak but the person normally just isn't in their right mind during the first stage of grief...which could lead to extreme reactions like that.
It also seems that with elderly couples, if one dies, the other soon follows. They just sort of.......give up.

In the manga Usagi's case: If you recall correctly SHE had to kill HIM with the sword because Beryl turned him evil. So Usagi couldn't live with that. Which is a little different than "I must die because he died and my life is meaningless." It's more of "I just murdered the person I love and now I can't stand the thought of living on, knowing that."

[Matts]

Using spoiler tags for spoilers + tl;dr

Spoiler for for manga:

Killing herself is not only a bad message to children, but also leaves everything else unresolved. Metalia and Beryl are still there to be dealt with, but she just leaves everything to her guardians because the guy she loved had to be killed. If the Crystal was not there to save them, all would have gone to Hell, and Usagi did not know or care at that time. Wanting to be reborn yet again, is one thing. However, chances were, if Metalia wins, there would have been no place to be reborn again. I'm sorry, that didn't go over well with me and it never will.

Spoiler for for anime:

I think the anime handled this much better. By the time Usagi looses Mamoru, her friends also died. The connection to her friends, the sacrifice they made to save her and their own loved ones is what pushes Usagi to move on and face Metalia. Sure, she is running to her death, but will do her best to win for them even if she dies. To not make the deaths of her loved ones meaningless. When she decides not to kiss Mamoru goodbye, that was the point of her growing into her role as the main character. Before that, she needed to be slapped to snap out of her selfish whining. This time, she chose to take responsibility and grow up.

Spoiler for for the live action:

Mamoru and Usagi face similar problems in the live action as in the manga, which Naoko was involved in more than the anime, and they tackle it very differently. Usagi does her best to stay strong and smile, not only for Mamoru, but her friends and loved ones. What I disliked about the manga is that it forced the connection between Usagi and her past life. The live instead made it very clear they were vastly different people and Usagi was a much better, much more mature person, even for a young, ditzy teenager, because she cared for others.
The Princess had the mentality from the manga, that she doesn't care. Usagi and Mamoru did.

I respect your views and don't mind that you favor the manga for your own reasons. I personally like some parts of all the different retellings. I like the role of Venus in the DK arc in the manga, I prefer some bits of the live action, most notably the romance, though I'm not really a fan of the series itself and felt that the ending was rushed with some parts not making any sense. I like the ending of the first season of the anime best, and overall, I prefer the other 4 arcs in the manga to the anime.

[Chiibi]

Originally Posted by Matts

Spoiler for for manga:

Killing herself is not only a bad message to children, but also leaves everything else unresolved.

I think children should be given more credit than what people give them.....>_> They aren't going to imitate every single thing a manga character does.

[Ithekro]

I am actually more curious about how they will handle the other scouts rather than just Usagi.

[Konja7]

Originally Posted by Matts

Using spoiler tags for spoilers + tl;dr

Spoiler for for manga:

Killing herself is not only a bad message to children, but also leaves everything else unresolved. Metalia and Beryl are still there to be dealt with, but she just leaves everything to her guardians because the guy she loved had to be killed. If the Crystal was not there to save them, all would have gone to Hell, and Usagi did not know or care at that time. Wanting to be reborn yet again, is one thing. However, chances were, if Metalia wins, there would have been no place to be reborn again. I'm sorry, that didn't go over well with me and it never will.

I agree.

Spoiler for for manga:

I did not like she kills herself, because she leaves many issues unresolved (Beryl, Metalia). She also leaves her friends abandoned in the middle of the battle.

I prefer the anime in this part of the story.

[maximilianjenus]

I prefer not to use anime as a moral guideline , that way I can enjoy anime that has horrible people.

[Celestia Ludenberg]

Can't wait for it, thinking about watching the original Sailor Moon again, see if it holds up.
I remember it having a really kick ass transformation theme in the first season.

[xizro345]

It doesn't hold up. At all. Too many fillers, and inconsistent characterization, IMO. After S it goes downhill even more.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by maximilianjenus

I prefer not to use anime as a moral guideline , that way I can enjoy anime that has horrible people.

Even if you put the moral issue aside, there is still the matter of character development. Usagi in the manga, instead of getting stronger to protect her friends and the world, basically just gives up. They still won because she got lucky but...

The anime, on the other hand, clearly shows her character growth in the last episode (of the first season). At the end she is a strong-willed girl ready to fight insurmountable odds even though at that point she has lost almost everything she holds dear.

[T-6000]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

The anime, on the other hand, clearly shows her character growth in the last episode (of the first season). At the end she is a strong-willed girl ready to fight insurmountable odds even though at that point she has lost almost everything she holds dear.

At least she gets stronger in the Manga, as a character. By the time the Sailor Moon R Anime starts she becomes the same bumbling (and weak) character from the beginning of the first season. And this is how it is in the Anime, each season it looks like she gets stronger but then she returns to the same weak and bumbling character in the beginning of the series. In fact, she couldn't even take out a monster herself and Luna had to re-awaken the rest of the Sailor Soldiers. Many enemies in the Manga Sailor Moon took out herself but in the Anime, she almost always needed help from the other Sailor Soldiers. Hell, she would often get bitchslapped (err....no offense to the women here meant) when she faced an opponent herself! Compared to her Manga counterpart, that's pretty pitiful.

Some would argue that Usagi showed a weakness in character when she drove that sword through her chest. Some would even condemn her as a coward. I personally think she shouldn't have left her friends like that. But I also have to understand that she was stricken with alot of grief, and that is what makes her human. I mean, she's a 14 year old girl who got shoved in this battle against evil when she wasn't completely mentally prepared. And having to *kill* the man she loved (especially when she had alot of regrets arguing with him and not getting to know him), that did drive her over the edge with grief. Already loosing a loved one can drive some adults with enough grief that they kill themselves on the spot. So I can easily see why she was overcome with enough grief to kill herself on the spot, even though I didn't agree with her actions.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by T-6000

At least she gets stronger in the Manga

Later on, but we're talking only first season.

[kk2extreme]

S is my favorite arc for me with the outer planets introduce with their unique weapons (they are seriously cool especially Uranus and Neptune ), I still like Pluto alot (Pluto is still the 9th planet in my heart)

[Matts]

Originally Posted by kk2extreme

(Pluto is still the 9th planet in my heart)

Ah, yes, that. You and me both. If they even get that far this time, it's gonna be a little awkward.

Speaking of which, I wonder if they'll up the technology, they did with the live and Takeuchi even modified parts of the manga.