2008-03-31, 13:43 | Link #81 |
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Could be. It seems the ability to use multiple elements is limited though since Kakashi was impressed with Kazuka's ability to use any element. From this I assumed you needed some affinity to even use an element properly (i.e., for bigger jutsus).
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2008-03-31, 13:57 | Link #82 | |
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So far Kakuzu is the only individual that is known to be able to have five affinities (even if they were all stolen), and Pein can supposedly use all 6 elements (5 element and the 6th which is combination (Wood, etc.) or specialty (Nara Shadow techniques, etc.)) but we have not actively seen him really use any jutsu yet. |
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2008-03-31, 13:58 | Link #83 |
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It's probably about chakra usage: if you have an affinity you need less chakra for the same effect, and with the same amount of chakra you can do more damage. Also that means that the maximum power of the jutsu can be achieved if you have an affinity to the element of the jutsu. So even if a kage level guy knows jutsu for all elements he will most likely use only one or two elements because he has limited chakra and also because he wants to make the strongest jutsu he can. The reason to use other elements is that the ninja has made a good tactic for it or that the element is good against the other element. For example Kakashi uses lightning against earth when killing Kakuzu's first heart, when he is attack by Itachi's fireball he uses earth elemnt to hide himself. Kakashi also uses water when needed. I guess Kakashi has no affinity for earth but he uses it when it's effective for defense. Kakashi's earth skills are probably limited to basic defense type jutsu, if he would fight with earth he would be out of chakra very soon, and of course he would be unable to make earth from nowhere like the 3rd hokage did in his fight against Orochi.
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2008-03-31, 14:19 | Link #84 | |
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2008-03-31, 14:51 | Link #86 | |
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btw, nice pic HiroInazuma, you should post that on one of the Image threads here. |
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2008-03-31, 14:57 | Link #87 | |
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Of course if someone like Jiraiya fight against jounin like Asuma or Kurenai he could waste his chakra however he wants and still be able to win the fight |
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2008-03-31, 14:58 | Link #88 | |
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Sasuke only has one affinity. Lightening like Kakashi. But as an Uchiha, he was trained to master katon and makes it just as powerful as his lightening. With training anyone can master any element. |
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2008-03-31, 15:11 | Link #89 | |
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Naruto can probably learn all chakra natures due to his large chakra reserve and ability to do KB training but so could Sasuke by cheating ala Sharingan. Oro hasn't shown much elemental jutsus instead mostly snake jutsus |
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2008-03-31, 15:12 | Link #90 | |
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Pein is a special case, probably the rinnegan power, as Jiraiya said Pein has mastered all elements quite easily. We don't know if it means an equally strong affinity for all or that Pein can learn very fast because of his rinnegan. And it was not the affinity of the 6 bodies added back then, because Nagato existed only in one bady at the time of Jiraiya training them. |
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2008-03-31, 15:13 | Link #91 | |
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Additionally, I thought that only combination jutsu, such as Wood, could be created when you have an affinity for two elements? Is that wrong? So far the Rinnegan has been the only mention of something/someone being able to master all elements, what Kakuzu did was considered unique (i.e. Kakashi was suprised that Kakuzu was a master of all elements save the sixth). But if anyone could master all elements it would be Naruto . |
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2008-03-31, 16:29 | Link #93 |
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This reminds me of the thread I made a while back.
Needless to say, all ninjas have one and only one affinity. When a clan is born out of two affinities, you can effectively call that a kekkei genkai. Now I don't agree on the fact you can just "learn" other elemental jutsu. Why? Because any stupid jounin can probably master water and wind and form it up into an ice jutsu. As Kakashi/Yamato explained, Water and wind in either hands, seal, et voila. Ice Jutsu anyone? If it was so easy to learn, then Kakashi's mastery of both water and earth jutsus should be able to produce competent mokuton (wood). I don't think a kekkei genkai just suddenly pops out of nowhere. To me, it's the slow growing merger between the recurring two elements inside the clan or family that leads to the creation of a kekkei genkai. I don't believe there is enough information on how elemental affinities work just yet, I hope Kishimoto will elaborate on it. But don't hold your breath.
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2008-03-31, 22:57 | Link #96 | |
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As to Sasuke having more than one; it is clearly said by Naruto that Sasuke has two affinities, and since Kakashi never denies Naruto's conclusion, that can only mean that Naruto was correct in his assumption. |
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2008-04-01, 06:32 | Link #98 |
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I cleary remember kakashi saying that uchiha's including sasuke had fire as for their primary element, and that they learned how to use it very soon ( sasuke learned that breath of fire when he was a kid!). And that in sasuke's case (not uchiha's) he learned that he had lightning as he's second element (thus when he was older he learned chidori). To combine those two he had to have a specific bloodline that mixed both, which so far he hasn't. My point is that beeing fire sasuke's primary element, and learning how to use it so soon, why the hell are most of his jutsus lightning?? It does'nt make sense!
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Easy, Kishi F**ked up. He gave in to the pressures of the Sasuke fanboy cult global network. Though until its is explained its probably one of the perks the creator added to Sasuke when he decided that Sasuke, was his favorite character. Quote:
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