Mobile Suit Gundam 00 - Episode 23 Discussion / Poll

[X207]

damn, another great ep with shocking moments ie lock on dieing . now lockon's death has made flay angry at kira for not saving him. felt only has a momento of lockon to hang on to even if the ms can be repaired w/o a pilot lined up for it. how many gn-x have been destrroyed in total??? i count 12-15 since they were introduced and 15 presumes only one made it out of the bunch of gnx vs dynames+gn arms. i cant wait for ep 24, kyrios seems to be in a dangerous situation vs alejandro's ms.

[brightman]

Originally Posted by Iriliane

Even that's not enough to keep a character dead sometimes.

Spoiler for Macross 7:

Gamlin manages to come back after fading to white and having his mech explode. Heck, even most of the cast thinks he's a goner 'till he shows up and rescues them.

Spoiler for G Gundam:

And Master Asia actually got the white fading thing AND the fuzzy face thing AND the mech exploding thing and he still came right back the next episode (with no DG cells to aid him either...)

[ashlay]

Originally Posted by Iriliane

Even that's not enough to keep a character dead sometimes.

Spoiler for Macross 7:

Gamlin manages to come back after fading to white and having his mech explode. Heck, even most of the cast thinks he's a goner 'till he shows up and rescues them.

now I didn't say if and only if, did I?

If you want to shift gears from Ali to Lockon, Lockon's death shares some striking similarities to Trowa's "death" in Gundam Wing. So there's a chance he's alive...but I have to agree with some of the earlier posters, given his motivation in his fight with Ali and that in relation to the overall themes of this show, this had to be his death.

[Ori]

Wow. The recent episodes really changed my mind about Gundam 00.

This episode was pretty powerful as well.

Good job 00 team!

[Aquaman OS]

Lockon's gone. He was moved in the voice cast credits from the main Meister group to the rest of the cast. While he might not be dead parsay he's no longer considered one of the series leads. So he won't be showing up again for a long time if ever.

[X207]

was dissappointed with one thing in ep 23: the fate of nena. i want to see her redeemed and all they did was show her crying for a few seconds .

[Sides]

Originally Posted by The Small One

BTW, there is something I wonder: Is Setsuna able to go back to space by himself with this new container, or do they still need the elevators?
If they still require the elevators, what use was there in taking the container to earth?
But if they can fly back to space independently, how comes that Ali and the UN-Force arrived before Setsuna?

Think Lasse was piloting the container, with Exia docked on board. Setsuna was doing a transmission to the Ptolemaios at the back of the transporter. I reckon the stopped by somewhere, before heading out back into space.

[Shinkouhyou]

Originally Posted by The Small One

BTW, there is something I wonder: Is Setsuna able to go back to space by himself with this new container, or do they still need the elevators?
If they still require the elevators, what use was there in taking the container to earth?
But if they can fly back to space independently, how comes that Ali and the UN-Force arrived before Setsuna?

That's been bothering me too. Ali had time to return to space, get a snazzy new uniform, and have Zwei restocked with Fangs (where did the AEU get those from? ). The UN forces were able to completely regroup too. And CB had time to repair serious damages to Dynames. That would take at least several hours. Since the GN-ARMS container seems to be able to get to space by itself and it only takes less than two hours to completely orbit the earth at that height without any power at all... where the hell was Setsuna!? I'll be pissed if he was off sneaking into Marina's room again. x__x I like Jihad-kun but I hope Tieria punches him in the face.

And for that matter, how long have Ribbons and Alejandro been on the moon?

[DJ_RockmanX]

Completely off topic: ZOMG MENCLAVE'S ALIVE!!

[Terra]

The HRL have access to the base the Trinity's were using. They probably got the spare parts from there. Ali was with the HRL.

As for why it took Setsuna and Lasse longer, they have to be careful how they return to space or they risk getting attacked. It's be shown several times since the 3 powers got the GN-X's, they've been able to track/find the Gundams fairly well. It's not like before where CB got away with anything they pleased.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Originally Posted by Aquaman OS

Lockon's gone. He was moved in the voice cast credits from the main Meister group to the rest of the cast. While he might not be dead parsay he's no longer considered one of the series leads. So he won't be showing up again for a long time if ever.

Was he able to take Ali down with him?

With the way the blast looked like it seemed that it cut the bottom and right after Ali fired a shot we see his suit explode which engulfed the torso., especially since it was right next to the cockpit.

If he is dead one thing for sure is that we all thought that it would've been Ali vs. Setsuna and not Lockon. But then again Lockon has a need of revenge against him.

[ashlay]

Originally Posted by DJ_RockmanX

Completely off topic: ZOMG MENCLAVE'S ALIVE!!

yeah, but it's not like they're releasing any of their subs for the past 3 weeks.

[Terra]

Speak again. They've just double release 20/21.

[brightman]

Originally Posted by ashlay

yeah, but it's not like they're releasing any of their subs for the past 3 weeks.

Umm... Yes they are.

[X207]

am i the only one that thinks fgraham will get screwed over in the series aside from saiji? they sure are taking their time to install the gn drive onto the flag and it can only appear for 2 eps in se1 minimum. now with transam hes behind a step again.

[Terra]

It takes time to reconfigure a suit to a completely different power source, not to mention the part redesign needed to install the GN Drive onto the Flag. Plus this is new tech to them.

[AlphaDragoon]

Originally Posted by thermopyle

Nice episode. I could care less what happens to the meisters. Boo hoo for Lockon. Not really, they've been killing the comrades of the Three Blocks for the past 20 episodes now, I can't find myself pitying them one bit.

I wish they'd start sparing the comrades and killing the Three Block aces themselves. THAT I would start cheering for.

[X207]

Originally Posted by Terra

It takes time to reconfigure a suit to a completely different power source, not to mention the part redesign needed to install the GN Drive onto the Flag. Plus this is new tech to them.

i just presumed that they had enuff time within the CB1 battles and when they showed it in ep 22.

i got a gn-x count. ep 20:3 - eins, exia, gn arms.
21: NA,
23: 6 confirmed, 7unconfirmed: 3 kryios (1 unconfimed when soma met him). 2 virtue. 7 dynames: 1 confirmed 6 unconfirmed.(daryl's squad)
so at most they 13 gn-x with a minimum of 6 destroyed.

[thermopyle]

Originally Posted by AlphaDragoon

I wish they'd start sparing the comrades and killing the Three Block aces themselves. THAT I would start cheering for.

I suppose that would be a step up and possible now that they have their deusex transam. Eh, I'd rather cheer Soma, Sergei, & Graham on than the meisters. Patrick on the other hand...hehe, he's funny but I don't care either way.

[Terra]

Fixing something you know inside out takes less time than trying to reconfigure something with brand new tech you're just learning about. For the GN-X's they were probably given the blueprints so they just follow that. For the Flag, they're altering stuff to fit something it isn't designed for.