Code Geass - Spoilers & Speculation (ver 2 old)

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

Something has to go wrong during this whole thing. What weirded me out was seeing V.V. look so happy.

I'm also confused about Kallen. Certain things in the opening make me think she'll still be with the Order, but other things make me think she might be with Britannia. The complete lack of her in the ending is also rather odd when they have pretty much everyone but her (and a few others like V.V. and Charles).

some say (me included) that she is in the ED in a symbolic way
there is a shot of nanali holding an empty birdcage with the birds flying in the background
nanali herself is covered by a cape like the one that the KOR wear
only the cape is red (kallens colur)
could be an indicator

[Pink-chan]

Originally Posted by yamibakura

Well it said Lelouch cornered VV, then Sigfried appears. So I would think someone else would be piloting it and not VV. And since Jerimiah is the only qualified pilot, it's likely him.

I still find Jeremiah's loyalty to Lelouch questionable. Why will he switch side so quickly after what Lelouch did to him? I think this is where he will show his true colours.

[incorrupts]

I don't know if my mind can take the WTFery that the rest of the episodes hold. XD
I can see a lot of backstabbing. And yes, i'm quite concerned about Jeremiah as well, he did seem honest but.. it seemed to easy and good to be true.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Interesting, the mark on the cape/banner behind Nunnally looks sort of similar to the Ashford crest. If the cape/banner is meant to refer to Kallen, then I wonder if that is the Stadtfeld crest or something...

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Pink-chan

I still find Jeremiah's loyalty to Lelouch questionable. Why will he switch side so quickly after what Lelouch did to him? I think this is where he will show his true colours.

For all intent and purposes, the worse thing that was done to Jeremiah was not in the hands of Zero but those Britannians who took advantage of him afterwards. In effect, Zero might have left him down a well, but it is the Britannian government that threw stones down at him.

You might as well ask why would anyone be loyal to a government that brainwashes you and made you a puppet killing machine?

[aurr]

After seeing the Ed i think it was perfect for Nunnaly.
There she is with an open golden bird cage - She is a bird in a cage, yet it is golden. Being it open means she will break free someday, and the red cape COULD be reference to Kallen as a britannia soldier.
Also, where did you get it as a round symbol? It is the symbol of britannia, unles i have mistaken.

[Pride]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

For all intent and purposes, the worse thing that was done to Jeremiah was not in the hands of Zero but those Britannians who took advantage of him afterwards. In effect, Zero might have left him down a well, but it is the Britannian government that threw stones down at him.

You might as well ask why would anyone be loyal to a government that brainwashes you and made you a puppet killing machine?

True, but I'm pretty sure that he'll remain loyal to V.V., the man who pulled him out of the well.

[lotus7]

Hm, don't know if anyone has brought this up yet, but...



looks like marianne, vv and the emp. significance? probably none.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

I'm also confused about Kallen. Certain things in the opening make me think she'll still be with the Order, but other things make me think she might be with Britannia. The complete lack of her in the ending is also rather odd when they have pretty much everyone but her (and a few others like V.V. and Charles).

Well, I think we all understand your confusion, friend
Possibly we are going to see her in a... conflicted role. Nunnally may let Kallen enter her service/care - or even do something so outrageous as to make Kallen her knight - but despite all that, she'll remain loyal to the OotBK on the inside while she might put on an appearence of loyality towards Britannia for nunnally's sake. Either way, I can't see her joining Britannia for anyone but Nunnally's sake (and perhaps her mothers as well as Japan as a whole), such as it is.

[bladeofdarkness]

they did say that they fucked up his emotions
his reaction to lulu being mariannas son could be the return to his human side

[Pink-chan]

Originally Posted by lotus7

Hm, don't know if anyone has brought this up yet, but...



looks like marianne, vv and the emp. significance? probably none.

Why did I see the first figure as C.C?

[aurr]

Once someone, don't rememer who, said that there is a theory, that maybie Lulu had altered memories in his childhood, after the death of Marianne. Maybe there is something else than what he remembers. C&C please on this theory. I just remembered about it and i found that very interesting.

[Guilford]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

they did say that they fucked up his emotions
his reaction to lulu being mariannas son could be the return to his human side

if i remember correctly, his eye even looked a bit more human, okay it was still green but except for that it was rather normal

[zgmf-x19a]

Originally Posted by yamibakura

Well it said Lelouch cornered VV, then Sigfried appears. So I would think someone else would be piloting it and not VV. And since Jerimiah is the only qualified pilot, it's likely him.

Don't forget that V.V can teleport so it's not easy to get him plus he's immortal so ....

[Dann of Thursday]

Originally Posted by lotus7

Hm, don't know if anyone has brought this up yet, but...



looks like marianne, vv and the emp. significance? probably none.

Could be C.C. as well I guess. Either way, it's confusing and seems like bad news.

Originally Posted by DarkLordOfkichiku

Well, I think we all understand your confusion, friend
Possibly we are going to see her in a... conflicted role. Nunnally may let Kallen enter her service/care - or even do something so outrageous as to make Kallen her knight - but despite all that, she'll remain loyal to the OotBK on the inside while she might put on an appearence of loyality towards Britannia for nunnally's sake. Either way, I can't see her joining Britannia for anyone but Nunnally's sake (and perhaps her mothers as well as Japan as a whole), such as it is.

I don't really care that much to be honest since I'm not a Kallen fan, but it still seems odd to me. I rather hope this isn't going to turn into some silly subplot with her.

I don't see Kallen joining Britannia or anything like that though. Helping Nunnally is pretty much it and her appearence in the opening sort of makes me thinks she'll still be with the Order thought the Guren's appearence in connection to Lancelot is rather odd.

[demon_god04]

It was speculated that Lloyd being the mecha otaku he is just couldn't resist tinkering with the Gurren. I also see it as a way for him to one up Rakshata for beating him to finishing the Hadron cannon.

[Dann of Thursday]

That I can understand since it seems like something Lloyd would do. I wonder how she would get away though I suppose Nunnally could just let her go. Doesn't seem likely though.

[demon_god04]

Well, it could be during the confusion when the Black Knights invade Area 11 or something. I don't see how Nunally could just let her go either, but we will see.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

I don't really care that much to be honest since I'm not a Kallen fan, but it still seems odd to me. I rather hope this isn't going to turn into some silly subplot with her.

Well, I hope it won't be TOO silly/stupid at least. And I hope we won't see a mass-switching of sides of those who are (for the most part) supposed to be among the most loyal ones to their respective sides...

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

I don't see Kallen joining Britannia or anything like that though. Helping Nunnally is pretty much it and her appearence in the opening sort of makes me thinks she'll still be with the Order.

That's my thought on the matter as well, for now.

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

thought the Guren's appearence in connection to Lancelot is rather odd.

Gee, I dunno; the two strongest KMF around, maybe?
Though it could be for some other purpose, though. but we'll see.

[Dann of Thursday]

Originally Posted by DarkLordOfkichiku

Well, I hope it won't be TOO silly/stupid at least. And I hope we won't see a mass-switching of sides of those who are (for the most part) supposed to be among the most loyal ones to their respective sides...

That's my thought on the matter as well, for now.

Gee, I dunno; the two strongest KMF around, maybe?
Though it could be for some other purpose, though. but we'll see.

Meh, the faster we just wrap things up with her the better, for me anyway. I want to get to the real aspects of the plot like some answers. Mass switching would be very annoying indeed.

Unless she is Geassed, she'll always be loyal. She might protect Nunnally I suppose since that would technically be something Lelouch would want.

Meh, I suppose. New wings seems a bit Gundam-ish for some reason.