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Old 2015-03-04, 10:25   Link #61
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More images and the first videos of the Musashi discovery
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Old 2015-03-04, 10:27   Link #62
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While the Long Lance torpedo was intended a great equalizer against the more numberous Allied ships for night battles, the oxygen torpedoes probably sunk or heavly damaged more Japanese ships than Allied ships. This includes ships that had their torpedoes explode in the tubes due to fires (and possibly scuttling other ships).

The planned tactic would be to use the Long Lance at long range, outside the normal American visual range (at night) as the Japanese had excellent optics and night training. Then they might open fire with flashless powder to not give away their position to the enemy. This sort of worked, save several captains and crews did not follow procedure. There were several instances of the use of spotlights, which tended to get the ship using them blown out of the water by all the Allied ships, as it was the only clear target. Plus by the time the American radar fire control systems became more reliable, the Japanese could expect the Americans to fire before the Japanese launched torpedoes. The Americans also whiching to flashless powder helped later in the war to counter the Japanese night fighting.

When the Japanese torpedo tactics did work, the American did not know they had been attacked by torpedoes and assumed they had run into a minefield, and acted accordingly.
That's selling the Type 93 short.....That weapon, while highly vulnerable to enemy gunfire, was the single deadliest threat possessed by the Imperial Navy's surface force. And it worked on too many occasions to more than justify their short comings (Java Sea, Savo Island, Tassafronga, the Solomons...almost every major surface campaign really)



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So she's upright? Wouldn't be too surprising since it should be quite deep where she went down no?
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Old 2015-03-04, 10:50   Link #63
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i stumbled on this vids @ 4:35.. and i didnt know musashi use different ammo color to its AAA guns...

well those guys really paid attention into the smallest detail right??
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Old 2015-03-04, 13:55   Link #64
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i stumbled on this vids @ 4:35.. and i didnt know musashi use different ammo color to its AAA guns...

well those guys really paid attention into the smallest detail right??
I love the footage from WW2 and I know I mentioned something similar before but it's so horrible yet amazing to watch. The sheer scale of it all and the footage while being so old and primative compared to what we can film now brings a harsh reality to everything that happened.

When people read about WW2 in history books they don't get the full story and I mean heck even with footage like this, as in only the footage that painted the war in the way the victors wanted has ever officially been released (so far). Books especially allow people to somewhat remove the sheer scale and horrifying war that was WW2 and it reallly is scary to think what our species plunged the world into at that time.
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Old 2015-03-07, 04:33   Link #65
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Does Aoba really have a journalist? And did Junyou's captain really got drunk?
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Old 2015-03-07, 19:04   Link #66
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Does Aoba really have a journalist? And did Junyou's captain really got drunk?
a.) Sano Shōichi (佐野 昌一), who is considered the Father of modern Japanese SF, was a crewman aboard Aoba. His experience during the war apparently colored the work he wrote (under his pen name Unno Jūzō/ 海野 十三) after its end.

b.) You'll need to be an actual IJN nerd to confirm this, but apparently one of her captains was a laid-back fellow who wasn't above joining his crew during off-hour drinking... Unannounced.
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Old 2015-03-07, 20:03   Link #67
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Aoba saw it all (and was to blame for some of what happened).
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Old 2015-03-07, 20:30   Link #68
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a.) Sano Shōichi (佐野 昌一), who is considered the Father of modern Japanese SF, was a crewman aboard Aoba. His experience during the war apparently colored the work he wrote (under his pen name Unno Jūzō/ 海野 十三) after its end.

b.) You'll need to be an actual IJN nerd to confirm this, but apparently one of her captains was a laid-back fellow who wasn't above joining his crew during off-hour drinking... Unannounced.
Oh okay so he was the war correspondent...

As for Junyou, I got it from a KanColle panel...
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Old 2015-03-08, 16:03   Link #69
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Kongou is the oldest Japanese warship that was active during WW2 (or just the oldest in the game?). Is there warships from other WW2 active countries that were older?
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Old 2015-03-08, 16:13   Link #70
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Kongou is the oldest Japanese warship that was active during WW2 (or just the oldest in the game?). Is there warships from other WW2 active countries that were older?
Schleswig-Holstein, the ship that fired the first shots of the war in Europe, was commissioned in 1908. Although as a pre-dreadnought, unlike Kongō, she was outdated even in the First World War.
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Old 2015-03-08, 18:08   Link #71
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Japan had a few armored cruisers that were still around that were older than Kongo. but most were not combat worthy.
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Old 2015-03-08, 19:45   Link #72
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Kongou is the oldest Japanese warship that was active during WW2 (or just the oldest in the game?). Is there warships from other WW2 active countries that were older?
Texas had the distinction of being one of the ships that served in both world wars.
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Old 2015-03-09, 02:13   Link #73
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Texas had the distinction of being one of the ships that served in both world wars.
Serving in both World Wars actually isn't that special. All Kongō-class, Fusō-class and Ise-class ships were in service by the time World War I ended. Ships of the British Queen Elizabeth-class and Revege-class were present at Jutland. And the Renown-class battlecruisers were active during World War I as well. All of them (Texas as well) are younger than Kongō though.
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Old 2015-03-09, 02:40   Link #74
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The only active American battleships in World War II that are older than Kongo are Wyoming and Arkansas. Wyoming was a training ship for the war. Arkansas was convoy escort and shore bombardment duty in the Atlantic until the fall of Germany, then transfered to the Pacific in time for Iwo Jima and Okinawa. She was at Bikini Atoll with Nagato for the Atomic Bomb tests.

Both served with the British fleet in World War One...Sixth Battle Squadron.


USS Utah, USS Kearsarge, and USS Illinois was also active, but not as a battleship. Utah was a target ship tuned AA gunnery training ship. Kearsarge was a crane ship. Illinois was an armory ship. (USS Oregon was a museum ship until the war, then scap and storage barge)
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Old 2015-03-09, 22:18   Link #75
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The only active American battleships in World War II that are older than Kongo are Wyoming and Arkansas. Wyoming was a training ship for the war. Arkansas was convoy escort and shore bombardment duty in the Atlantic until the fall of Germany, then transfered to the Pacific in time for Iwo Jima and Okinawa. She was at Bikini Atoll with Nagato for the Atomic Bomb tests.

Both served with the British fleet in World War One...Sixth Battle Squadron.


USS Utah, USS Kearsarge, and USS Illinois was also active, but not as a battleship. Utah was a target ship tuned AA gunnery training ship. Kearsarge was a crane ship. Illinois was an armory ship. (USS Oregon was a museum ship until the war, then scap and storage barge)
USS Utah was sunk at Pearl Harbor. She lies not far from the Arizona.
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Old 2015-03-10, 02:06   Link #76
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And that counts as active since she gets one battle star. Utah, Arizona and Oklahoma lasted less than half an hour into the war, but they were part of it.


As for recent episodes, Yuudachi's upgrade includes a small white saile on her back. This references something really bad that happened involving her getting sunk. The Japanese version of events has it that the crew put up some form of sail to boost morale during her last battle.

The Americans on USS Portland, thought it was a white flag of surrender and started to ignore Yuudachi is accordance with the standard conventions of war. Then Yuudachi started firing again (or more torpedoes). That pissed off the Americans. They sank Yuudachi ("That S.O.B." according to her captain) and for about a year afterwards started to give "no quarter" to the Japanese. No surrenders taken, just kill them...("honorless bastards" I think would be the phase after that). Yuudachi did a bad thing that got a lot of Japanese killed over having that sail out that night.
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Old 2015-03-10, 18:37   Link #77
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Not exactly a music video, so putting this video here. it is quite an interesting watch I should say:

From Pearl Harbor to the end of the Pacific war, Kancolle engine style

While I'm not sure about the absence of certain kai2, and some actions being a bit simplified (like Fusou sinking instantly with everyone else at the same time, same for Yahagi), the guy certainly took time to replicate most major battles with a custom game engine.

Be warned that it isn't really a pleasant ride, especially with all the sinking lines. That said, I couldn't help but had some dry laughs at some occasions due to how ludicrous the bullying was, like what happened to Nishimura's Fleet or Yamato.
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Old 2015-03-10, 19:45   Link #78
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Wow that is a rather shocking depiction of just how stacked the odds were against Japan and it was conveyed with just simple graphics. The Great Marianas Turkey Shoot was especially painful to watch. And Nishimura's encounter at Leyte was completely insane. Interesting that one of theme songs from Attack on Titan was played during those battles. The US fleet was truly a sleeping giant that had awoken. Still, it was a testament to Yamato and Musashi's legend to see just how much effort it took to sink theme even with airpower. I also liked the nod to American damage control, bringing some ships back into the fight. Unlike Taihou... Speaking of I don't recognize the graphic for the sub that sank her, who was that?
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Old 2015-03-11, 01:26   Link #79
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Speaking of I don't recognize the graphic for the sub that sank her, who was that?
That might be the USS Sealion, though as to the sprite itself, I think it's original (or maybe from the Chinese knockoff perhaps?).
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Old 2015-03-11, 01:39   Link #80
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Credits mention the chinese knockoff, yes.
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