(L) Elfen Lied

[PastPrime]

Originally Posted by bongky

That's rather odd, why was the true diclonius living with Lucy father was able to live a normal life while Lucy was forced to live a life which was so horrible.

Spoiler for manga:

Lucy's father and mother split with her mother taking Lucy. If there were other children then they must have stayed with her father. Her mother put her in the orphanage, planning to come back and get her when she got settled. But, before she could go back Kakuzawa kidnapped her and made her have his child. Then her mother killed herself. I would imagine that her father tried to locate her but was unable to. If her mother had been able to take her out of the orphanage then Lucy would have lived a relatively normal life too. Elfen Lied with Kaede (Lucy's real name) and her friend Yuka competing for Kouta. The festival would have had both of them hanging onto Kouta and his sister would have kicked both of them when they left.

And did the vectors in true diclonius only appear when they are pushed over the edge by some unfortunate event?

It looks like the vectors in true diclonius appear around puberty. The unfortunate events caused Lucy to kill with them.

Did Lucy made any friends in the orphanage besides that blasted girl? Oh right, in the OVA series of Elfen Lied, who was that girl? Why would she sacrifice herself just for Lucy?

Kouta was her first friend,
Lucy watched other girls talking to their friend and she felt lonely. While watching some girls soccer she got hit in the face with the ball. The girl in the ova doctered her and they became friends. Lucy visited her house and stopped her father from beating her. Later, when Lucy wasn't there she accidently killed her father. Lucy went with her when she ran away. She thought that the people were after her.

One more thing, did Lucy stop killing when Kouta asked her not to kill anymore or he wouldn't forgive her?

Spoiler for manga:

Lucy was going to let Kurama kill her rather than break her promise to Kouta, but she went berserk when she thought that Kouta died. While I don't know if anyone died when she was destroying buildings, I am sure a lot were hurt. And she killed a number of pilots and sailers while she was protecting Kouta. But there was no hatred when she killed them. Just her love for Kouta and her desire to protect him. And Kouta had said that he could never forgive Lucy. But he said if she would promise not to hurt people that he would like her to come back to the Maple Inn and live with them. If they did have a second season of the Anime then I wouldn't mind it taking that route. With the scene 10 years later having Kaede and Kouta and their children.

[Fate lover]

I fully concur with you Past Prime! All of us hope that Kaede will marry Kouta.... I wanna ask something.....If Kaede was a murderer, then how can she enter school especially since she ran away from the orphanage? Besides that, where did Kaede went when she escaped from the train she murdered? Last but not least, how can Kouta remembered what Kaede did to him just because she killed someone? I thought he was hospitalized for 1 year.

[bongky]

Oh my...in that case, Lucy parents must have loved her a lot. If things are like that, then why did they broke up? It must be quite harsh for young Lucy. Why did Lucy mother suicide?? If she went back and fetch Lucy at the orphanage after giving birth to that child, won't Lucy still be able to lead a normal life? So pitiful That Kakuzawa is indeed a monster . Sorry for being rude but I don't quite understand what this phrase means...

Spoiler:

Elfen Lied with Kaede (Lucy's real name) and her friend Yuka competing for Kouta. The festival would have had both of them hanging onto Kouta and his sister would have kicked both of them when they left.

How on earth was Lucy's hand able to destroy buildings??!! Can all vectors do that?? And what do you mean when you said she also killed some pilots and sailors? They must have been far beyond Lucy's vector reach, right? Are you saying that vectors were supposed to be good-natured unless triggered by some unfortunate events? After watching the OVA again, I find that Lucy self-sacrifice is very big. She would allow herself to be retain just for the sake of hoping Kurama might be able to save her friend. Did Lucy continued schooling after the separation from Kouta and did that girl from the OVA series killed her own father?

About the season 2 ending, I fully concur with you! The marriage between Lucy and Kouta would make it a perfect ending. By the way, if Lucy's real name is Kaeda, then why did everyone at the research facility refer Kaeda as Lucy?? Plus, I find that Yuka just doesn't fit with Kouta. For one, Kouta only said he liked her but she told Lucy that she loved her and I can see a lot of sparks between Lucy and Kouta. If they were really to be married, then they would make quite a loving couple.

[PastPrime]

Originally Posted by Fate lover

I fully concur with you Past Prime! All of us hope that Kaede will marry Kouta.... I wanna ask something.....If Kaede was a murderer, then how can she enter school especially since she ran away from the orphanage? Besides that, where did Kaede went when she escaped from the train she murdered?

She wasn't in school. She was just passing by and stopped to watch them play soccer (football to the rest of the world). When she escaped from the train she continued killing people and living in their houses until they were found.

Last but not least, how can Kouta remembered what Kaede did to him just because she killed someone? I thought he was hospitalized for 1 year.

Spoiler for manga:

She cut one of the Mariko clones to pieces in front of him. The shock brought back the memories of what she had done to his father and sister. It was all the conflicting memories of child Lucy, Nyu, and grown up Lucy that caused him to leave the hospital and walk to sort things out.

Originally Posted by bongky

Oh my...in that case, Lucy parents must have loved her a lot. If things are like that, then why did they broke up? It must be quite harsh for young Lucy. Why did Lucy mother suicide?? If she went back and fetch Lucy at the orphanage after giving birth to that child, won't Lucy still be able to lead a normal life? So pitiful That Kakuzawa is indeed a monster .

Spoiler for manga:

Kakuzawa told Lucy that her father walked away because she was born with horns, but he was trying to get her to join him so that was the only thing he could tell her. I suspect that Lucy's father, like Kakuzawa, was a decendant of the ancient diclonius and her mother left him because she thought that he was the reason that all her children were born with horns. If Kakuzawa would have let her go get Lucy then her mother would not have killed herself. But he planned to keep her a prisoner and make her keep having his children. And the phrase that you asked about was what I thought would have happened if Lucy's mother had come back, taken her out of the orphanage, and raised her.

How on earth was Lucy's hand able to destroy buildings??!! Can all vectors do that?? And what do you mean when you said she also killed some pilots and sailors? They must have been far beyond Lucy's vector reach, right?

Spoiler for manga:

Lucy's normal vectors are 2 meters, and she can use them as much as she wants with no damage to her body. When Lucy became highly emotional their range and power increased to the point where overusing them could damage her body. Like injecting Nitro Methane into an engine. It gives a huge power boost, but if you keep it on too long it will destroy the engine. And Lucy could not become any more emotional than when she thought that Kouta had died. And continued to be when she had to protect him. She destroyed aircraft and missiles and sank ships. When The Voice had control of her body she pushed the vectors out past the atmosphere preparing for a global strike, but then Kouta yelled at her to stop and she switched her attact to him. That is when Lucy and Nyu appeared in front of him and deflected the vectors away from him and the other girls from the Maple Inn.

Are you saying that vectors were supposed to be good-natured unless triggered by some unfortunate events?

The vectors are just tools. Like most tools they can be used for good things or for bad things. The unfortunate events that happened to Lucy caused her kill with them. Another diclonius with a different childhood might very well become a surgeon and use their vectors to perform operations that would be impossible using other means.

did that girl from the OVA series killed her own father?

Yes, she killed her father, but it did not look to me like it was intentional.

By the way, if Lucy's real name is Kaeda, then why did everyone at the research facility refer Kaeda as Lucy??

It was a way of making her not seem human. Lucy was an anthropological reference meaning about the same thing as the "Diclonius Eve" Biblical reference. Lucy was the name given to a homonid fossil of a human ancestor that was found in Africa.

[bongky]

Incredible!! So Lucy was willing to sacrifice herself for the sake of Kouta? That's just amazing. And what did you meant when you said Lucy was preparing for a global strike? Oh right, in the end, was Nana killed? Did the Mariko clones killed her? And what about that pocky addict? How was he able to plant mind control devices into the Mariko clones? One more thing, from the current manga update I saw on the internet, there were a lot of bones in the research facility. What were they? Did the virus spread by Kakuzawa cause all the newborn offspring's to be diclonius? What happened to Anna? Is she really able to foresaw the future? And what happen to that Nozom in the end? Was she killed by one of Mariko's clone? One last thing, did Kurama go berserk after witnessing the death of his only daughter?

[PastPrime]

Originally Posted by bongky

Incredible!! So Lucy was willing to sacrifice herself for the sake of Kouta? That's just amazing. And what did you meant when you said Lucy was preparing for a global strike? Oh right, in the end, was Nana killed? Did the Mariko clones killed her? And what about that pocky addict? How was he able to plant mind control devices into the Mariko clones? One more thing, from the current manga update I saw on the internet, there were a lot of bones in the research facility. What were they? Did the virus spread by Kakuzawa cause all the newborn offspring's to be diclonius? What happened to Anna? Is she really able to foresaw the future? And what happen to that Nozom in the end? Was she killed by one of Mariko's clone? One last thing, did Kurama go berserk after witnessing the death of his only daughter?

For what I can answer.

Spoiler for manga:

The only person from the Maple Inn to die was Lucy/Nyu. In the end Kurama accepted Nana as his daughter. He killed the last Mariko Clone to save her.
After the real Mariko was killed Kurama felt that he had lost everything so he tried to kill himself with a gunshot to the head, but he didn't die.
Annah could not see the future, she could predict the most probable outcomes. But she fudged the results since she could not calculate how her actions would affect the outcome so she thought that her actions would allow the result that her father wanted. It appeared that Lucy had killed her, but in the last chapter she seperated from the big headed monster that Kakuzawa's experiments had made her as her normal human self.
I don't know if all the pregnancies were diclonius after Kakuzawa spread the virus, but it appeared that a large percentage were.

[Fate lover]

How old was Annah actually, I thought she was only a kid when the experiments was conducted on her. So, in the end, Kurama did not suicide and live with Nana at Maple Inn? How do you know how to read Japanese since all the other Elfen Lied are raws, Past Prime?

[PastPrime]

Originally Posted by Fate lover

How old was Annah actually, I thought she was only a kid when the experiments was conducted on her. So, in the end, Kurama did not suicide and live with Nana at Maple Inn? How do you know how to read Japanese since all the other Elfen Lied are raws, Past Prime?

I am going from the summaries that were posted as the chapters were coming out.

Spoiler for manga:

Annah, when she became human again, looked about the same age as Lucy and Kouta. There is some dialog between her and the glasses person that I wish I could read since it might have some bearing on the twins in the ending. But that scene, the one with Nana visiting a grave and Kurama coming to her after getting out of the Hospital, and the one with Robo Bando greeting Mayu on the beach, were only in the extended final chapter which was published in the Manga and not the magazine chapter that there was a summary of. At the beginning of the last chapter Nana is still living at the Maple Inn with her friends. I am assuming that she went to live with Kurama after he was released from the hospital. But I doubt if it would be at the Maple Inn since I don't think that Kouta would care to be near him.

[Fate lover]

I see, so only Annah and the others survived the destruction......Then, where did Annah went after the event? Is robo Bando Bando made into a robot? One last question, if Kaede was able to attend school, would she be top in her school since in the anime, she seems to like book a lot.

Spoiler for Lucy:

Are Lucy's mother and father both mutated since somebody says that Lucy's mother womb was mutated and her father seems to be a diclonius?

[PastPrime]

Originally Posted by Fate lover

I see, so only Annah and the others survived the destruction......Then, where did Annah went after the event? Is robo Bando Bando made into a robot? One last question, if Kaede was able to attend school, would she be top in her school since in the anime, she seems to like book a lot.

Spoiler for Lucy:

Are Lucy's mother and father both mutated since somebody says that Lucy's mother womb was mutated and her father seems to be a diclonius?

Spoiler for manga:

In the extended last episode the last we see of Annah she is still at the underground lake talking to the glasses person (formally refered to as the glasses guy, but his? appearance in the last episode makes the guy part seem questionable).

Bando is still partly human, but his lower body, including his legs, and both arms are machine.

All of the diclonius are extremely smart. I think that if Kaede did have siblings they would probably have ended up in exclusive schools and became friends with the sons and daughters of the rich and powerful. The twins at the end could very well be part of a rich and powerful family. I always thoght that a good scene would be for a couple of government agents going the the house of a member of a powerful family wondering how they could convince him to give up his daughters. They tell him they want to talk about his daughters and he invites them in. They walk into a room with a very diclonius set of twins, their very diclonius mother, her very diclonius brothers, and their very pregnant wives. The officials say "Never Mind" and leave.

Lucy's mother had a mutation where all of her children would be diclonius but, while I think that her father might have been a decendant of the ancient diclonius race, I don't think he had any mutation. If he remarried then Lucy might have a sibling or two who is normal.

[Fate lover]

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Hold the phone, I thought Bando was perfectly sliced to half by Lucy during their fight at the beach? Then, who help make Bando into a robot, Pocky Addict? Even so, didn't Bando died of over-bleed?

A question, which part of the brain of the diclonius is bigger than normal humans? I don't quite get what Kurama said in the anime. In the anime, before Kurama died, he had a vision of Mariko attending a normal school and his wife, is it possible that it was a preview of season 2 where Kurama, his wife and daughter is reborn?

[bongky]

Whoa o.O Diclonius are so cool. Having a highly developed brain makes them even cooler. But I still have one question in mind though...did Nyu killed any people when she learned to use her vectors? About the ancient diclonius race. That would mean Kakuzawa and Lucy's father was descended from the same family, is it? If that's the case then why can't Kakuzawa accept normal humans like Lucy's father? In the end, when Anna came out from that monstrous head, she had grown older, is it? Is there any picture of her?

[Ryougi Shiki]

No, John, you are the Diclonius.

And then John was a mutant.

[PastPrime]

Originally Posted by Fate lover

Spoiler for manga:

Hold the phone, I thought Bando was perfectly sliced to half by Lucy during their fight at the beach? Then, who help make Bando into a robot, Pocky Addict? Even so, didn't Bando died of over-bleed?

A question, which part of the brain of the diclonius is bigger than normal humans? I don't quite get what Kurama said in the anime. In the anime, before Kurama died, he had a vision of Mariko attending a normal school and his wife, is it possible that it was a preview of season 2 where Kurama, his wife and daughter is reborn?

Spoiler:

He was sliced into, but evidently he was not dead, just passed out from blood loss. The medical personnel evidently got there in time to save him.
I'm not sure about what part of the brain, just that they are extremely smart.
And I think that the vision that Kurama had was him thinking about the life that he wanted with Mariko. It would be interesting if all diclonius who were reborn as diclonius remembered their previous life and Mariko was reborn as the twins cousin. I could see a scene past the point where the manga ended. Kurama tells the twin that was Lucy that, while the others had forgiven her, that he could never forgive her for Mariko. Then her cousin speaks up and says "Why not papa, I forgave her." and then proceeds to describe the life she had after being reincarnated as apposed to the life she would have had if she lived.

Originally Posted by bongky

Whoa o.O Diclonius are so cool. Having a highly developed brain makes them even cooler. But I still have one question in mind though...did Nyu killed any people when she learned to use her vectors? About the ancient diclonius race. That would mean Kakuzawa and Lucy's father was descended from the same family, is it? If that's the case then why can't Kakuzawa accept normal humans like Lucy's father? In the end, when Anna came out from that monstrous head, she had grown older, is it? Is there any picture of her?

Spoiler for manga:

Nyu never killed anyone. She took a swipe at Kakuzawa, but he was out of range and I think it was more to make him release her than to kill him. Then she used her vectors to free herself.
As for Lucy's father, the manga doesn't really tell us anything about him. The fact that Kakuzawa seemed to know quite a bit about Lucy's family makes me suspect that he might have been related to Kakuzawa, perhaps a cousin. As for accepting or not accepting normal humans, that happens everday. Some people can let the past stay in the past while other people are fighting and killing each other over things that happened hundreds or even thousands of years ago.
There are several pictures of Annah in the extended last chapter, but I don't think that they would be acceptable on Image Shack.

[Fate lover]

I see, but I thought Bando was kicked out of SAT already, who called the medical team? In the OVA, where did Lucy hide when she was with the girl and how old was she then? Last but not least, how in the hell did that maniac Kakuzawa got a grip of Lucy's youth picture, I thought the orphanage was ripped to pieces by Lucy to leave no trail.

[bongky]

I see. Now I get it. Thanks for the guidance. But there's still one more thing I had in mind. When facing extreme circumstances, Lucy's horn grew back immediately to allow Lucy to come out right? Why? Can't Lucy use her vectors to defeat Anna? And what about the vaccine created by the female scientist. Does it wipe out all the diclonius race? Or is it used for controlling the vector virus spread by Kakuzawa? By the way, at the end of the anime of Elfen Lied, did Bando died? I really hope for a season 2 though...I wish to watch the continuation of the anime. Hopefully the ending will be a perfect ending.

Spoiler:

Where Lucy and Kouta will be engaged and give birth to diclonius baby besides leading a very happy life. There couldn't be anymore better ending than this one because it seems that Lucy and Kouta was destined together.

[PastPrime]

Originally Posted by Fate lover

I see, but I thought Bando was kicked out of SAT already, who called the medical team? In the OVA, where did Lucy hide when she was with the girl and how old was she then? Last but not least, how in the hell did that maniac Kakuzawa got a grip of Lucy's youth picture, I thought the orphanage was ripped to pieces by Lucy to leave no trail.

Lucy was 15 in the OVA. They were hiding in a toy warehouse. I believe that the girl's mother was supposed to make an appearance there the next day and they were trying to get to see her.

Lucy only killed the bullies and the girl who betrayed her. Then she took her puppy's body and left. She didn't hurt anyone else there or do any other damage to the building.

As for Bando, I can only guess that someone called the authorities about the gunshots on the beach and they sent an emergency crew with the police on the chance that someone had been shot.

[AnimeKraze]

Does Lucy/Nyu die in the end or not?? The ending is so vague...

[Fate lover]

Originally Posted by AnimeKraze

Does Lucy/Nyu die in the end or not?? The ending is so vague...

That's hard to say, in my opinion, I think she is only recaptured back to the facility since the crazy dork, General Director needs her for the future diclonius race. Besides that, in my guess, I think it was the female scientist who appeared in the end at Maple Inn doorstep to warn Kouta about the danger approaching but I don't know what did you think, hehe.

Spoiler for Fate/Stay Night:

By the way, what do you think by Shirou saying if he works hard enough, he can grasp the thing he wants and why does Archer have a flashback of Shirou face during the duel with Berserker.

[bongky]

By the way, in the manga, what was the thing Lucy leave behind which is besides her dog's grave?