2014-01-20, 20:13 | Link #4783 |
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Thinking about it might as well be Kirei’s power to make everyone forget stuff. I mean if he can make everyone forget he took a bunch of orphans with him on the Church then I guess making everyone believe that incident at the school was a fail science project or something, isn’t stretching that much. Hey if you really want to stretch it might explain why Zouken doesn’t appear in Fate or Unlimited Blade Works, Kirei made him forget he wanted the Grail.
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2014-01-21, 11:04 | Link #4785 |
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I don't think they explain it well actually. I just remember that he use some kind of magic that made everyone forget about the orphans. Otherwise I wonder how nobody notice that the priest who took them in live all alone in the church.
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2014-01-21, 18:06 | Link #4786 |
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Its never suggested that Kirei has such a power. The Church as a whole (remember Kirei wasn't even the church's priest at the time) offered to take in the orphans, and Kirei used that to his advantage. If a large group of orphans went to a church and were never heard about again, most people would be happy. The first thing that would come to mind isn't that something bad happened to them.
The Church and the Magic Association using memory tricks isn't that far-fetched though. And since Kirei has experience with both organizations, its not altogether unlikely that he could manage such a thing. Memory tricks definitely wouldn't work on Zouken though. Honestly the abnormality in his behaviour is that he participated in Heaven's Feel, not that he skipped out on Fate and UBW. |
2014-01-22, 07:33 | Link #4787 | |
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The Einzberns fund repairing the damage caused in the wars, but with the way mind altering magic works, it couldn't feasibly work after the 4th war's events. There would be too many things to remind people of the gaps in their memories. |
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2014-01-22, 13:19 | Link #4789 | |
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2014-01-22, 16:35 | Link #4790 | ||
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The fact that something happened wasn't. The exact nature of that something clearly was. The same applies to the school incident. People know that something happened, but not that it was magical in nature.
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2014-01-26, 10:24 | Link #4794 |
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Saber says at first that Shirou "must give the order" for her to destroy the grail, but follows it up a few pages later by pretty much saying she just wants to hear him say it himself. It's not made explicitly clear, but I feel like she just wanted to make sure Shirou was as resolved as she was.
There's also the fact that destroying the Grail was effectively suicide for her, one for giving up entirely on her wish once and for all, and two because (as far as they knew) destroying the grail would destroy the mechanism that held Saber's contract, meaning she would finally actually go back to her proper time and die for real, never being summoned as a Heroic Spirit again. She may have not trusted herself not to hesitate, and with so much on the line, didn't want to risk it. That's just a theory though. Edit: It could have also just been Saber attempting for some sense of closure in her relationship with Shirou. It was his last command spell, so she could have asked for it as a symbolic way of saying that their time together, and their contract, was coming to a definite end. |
2014-01-26, 13:24 | Link #4796 |
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That or she was truly worried she wouldn't have enough power without backup from a command seal. When she destroyed it before, she had a superior magus who used two Command Seals on the command, and she hadn't really exhausted her energy previously (whereas here she had Excaliblasted Gil, if I'm not mistaken).
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I just don't know what was people's problem with him having this attitude? |
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2014-01-31, 05:37 | Link #4799 |
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Because it's fucking sexist and doesn't add anything to his character since he doesn't act that way in the other routes (and it's never really adressed in Fate either) and lastly because even Nasu has said that it was bad writing and only added to make Saber's romance less threathening since Nasu didn't even see Saber as a girl when writing Fate.
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2014-01-31, 08:26 | Link #4800 |
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Well, the problem is that he does actually say "Saber shouldn't fight because she's a girl" at one point. The impression I get from the VN is that that is more him desperately flailing for a excuse to prevent her fighting than genuine sexism (after all, the guy not only does housework but actively tries to stop others doing it for him), but it doesn't come across like that in the anime.
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