(CR) Grancrest Senki (Record of Grancrest War)

[LG-MAX 2.o]

best part of the anime: https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/48938

[Magewolf]

My main problem with the whole siege thing is that there was no reason they had to go with the stupid way to end the siege fast when they had already set up the best way to take a castle, betrayal.

Milza could have just shown up with troops to help defend the castle and then taken control of the drawbridge and let in the besiegers. Villar and lady could have still had their last charge but in this case it would be as a rear guard action buying time for his people to escape and you could cut the vikings out altogether which would be good since everything involving them so far has been moronic.

[pervypig]

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

Marianne's mage also seems to know about the siege, so those calls were likely done off screen, with the one scene we saw only serving to show us that its possible.

In fairness they did find out, so maybe he did it off-screen?

"Have you been able to contact them?"
"Actually, not yet..."

They ain't picking up their calls... bastards...

Also from the same ep.:

"There are some battles that I couldn't win, but I've never lost..."

Somebody forgot he got his arse pwned by King Lassic...

[Sinestra]

Well that all worked out exactly as i thought. This is what happens when egoist leaders call the shots. Eventually Milza did listen to his whiny mage but honestly it was too late. Also although I appreciate the many ways a leader can get their troops moral up for upcoming fights. I must say this you are going to war not Coachella put on some fucking Armor!!

hmmmm it seems that Milza has been caught in a trap similar to the one Ceaser used against Vercingetorix in the Gallic war. Milza is out numbered if he comes out and Marrine will be out numbered even if she comes to help. The fortification between them will make any of coordinated attack very hard. The only route open is the sea but i have a feeling that wont be open for very long.

[pervypig]

^ Alesia worked cos Vercingetorix did not have magic cell-phones to coordinate their attacks at the same time. But I guess Milza's mage should have paid his phone-bills on time too. But seriously, these episodes go by so fast and skip over so much that it's like watching a comedy.

I guess all Milza can do now is to defend the impregnable castle by himself on the bridge...

[Applehell]

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

The elephant in the room i.e. their absence is the big problem with the writers logic to begin with.
I can actually PROOF that there is gunpowder btw.

For one, each time the cannon fired there was a visible explosion coming out of it, suggesting it did indeed use gunpowder. The second point is that you could actually see the gunpowder in EP 11 - right after the mage on the castle ship died, the blonde sailor was standing in front of a crate with a shovel sticking out of it. Sure that doesn't proof that they used gunpowder, the black dust around the hole on the other hand does.

And even if I wouldn't have been able to proof the gunpowder's existence there was still a mage using explosion spells on ships.

So yes, they could have blown up that bridge, and they could have also used boiling tar (see below)

And again, you are fixating too much on the cannons, there

The point about cannons was mainly illustrate my boarder point about Grancrest=/=Earth. Whatever conditions that spur military and weapons do not match ours and their plenty stuff alien to our history.

As for explosion magic is concerned, Villar only has 4 Mages in his employ. Other than possible Margaret we don't know if any of the other have that spell. Most mages seem highly specialized in one field or another which Siluca's versatility is kinda made a big deal out of. Yet she can't even make a basic fire spell to light up some wood. So it's best not make assumptions about what they can do or not without basis.

As for gunpowder, okay I'll conceded on that to you, but doesn't explain why their no standard cannons. Even shipcastle only has the one big cannon from what I recall much only Villar is only one so far with that magic lens cannon. The only rational is that another ancient artifact that can't be reproduced which is typical of fantasy settings.

I never claimed they do, and no they don't use beams, which I can again proof, as

Aishela was hit by one.
Which is exactly why it couldn't have been a laser.

Not only wouldn't there have been any blood around her wound, but the wound itself wouldn't bleed at all, as a laser would burn everything so bad the bleeding would instantly stop.

Furthermore, there are two scenes where you can actually see that its a glowing bolt, rather than a beam, such as EP 4s around 06:27, 6:31 and 07:21(bottom one)


So step one: I proofed that said arbalests use projectiles.
Now to proof point two: The projectile being magically enhanced.

If you check out EP4, ~ 06:30 you can clearly see that its a rather regular arbalest with a string. You can even see the string snapping forward when its shot in the very same scene.
Hence, since everything else seems to be normal, the logical conclusion is that whatever is special about them has to be something regarding the bolt.

I don't remember ever saying you did. I'm also being facetious about the laser crossbows. I never said that's they actually are, but that's what look like. Anyone can tell that clear work like normal normal crossbows, but it doesn't explain their power other than it might be some sort of magitech weapon. We don't really need any indepth exposition about them so it doesn't really matter.

You are trying to explain, tactical mistakes with technological differences, that are simply unlikely to even be there.

No. I'm explaining why Villar's tactics consistent with everyone else regardless of whether we consider them mistakes or not.

When there are crossbows, then there are ballistas. When there are ballistas, there are catapults.
And both were absent during the castle defense. And even if you say he didn't have them its still horrible tactics, as he had more than enough time from when he started attacking Marianne. Not to mention the years before that when the castle was originally built.

Yet neither of these thing exist in the setting. You can't blame Villar for no having access to things don't exist. As I have reiterated several times already, Grancrest weapons development is clear not following our own. it doesn't have to and especially when it has own spin on things.

Yes and I also said Theo messed up for not using Bowmen in that canyon, while EP 4 clearly shows that he has at least enough of them to man a gate.
Also here is a fun thing that boils (pun intended) back (or rather forward) to the Castle defense... Theo's troops were actually using hot tar there.

Good point about the tar. This actually exists in the world and might be used in similar we do. While may not have turned things around there less of an excuse for Villar not to have that.

All of them came exactly from that point, as it was the only available access point shown. They were also shown to solely come through that specific area.

If you mean that viking all came from climbing up the ramparts, than yes. But rampant were wide and stuff with soldiers. Unlike Marrine's troops the Nords weren't in a linear space where they could be funneled shoot down as easily.

Also re-watching the episode again, apparently the Nord's homeland exist halfway across the world. Villar never expected them to show up at all. nor with their numbers Altirk's Navy seemed to have been crushed too. It's more obvious that their were deciding factor here without them Marrine probably would have been waited out for months. I wonder if he was familiar with how the Nords fight for all that matter given the lack of contact.

[vietthai96]

Nord, where are the Dragonborn

[LG-MAX 2.o]

and so, now Theo is the alpha male of the season?

[Stark700]

Episode 17 is out.

I honestly thought the battle was neat and met my expectations. It's about time Theo taught Mirza a lesson and he had it coming to him.

[foxbox360]

R.I.P Prince of Persia

[wuhugm]

Noooooooooooooooooo!!!! MC is dead!!!!!!

[RDNexus]

NOOOOOOOOO!!! MC Theo Still Lives!!!

[wuhugm]

F*** Theo!!! My MC is only Mirza!!!

Damn! Cool Arab Dude is gone...

[orion]

Originally Posted by wuhugm

Noooooooooooooooooo!!!! MC is dead!!!!!!

Go Theo!!!!!!!!

[AC-Phoenix]

So what court rank is he now?
He had Earl from owning Sistinia and has now beaten another Earl and absorbed his crest.
Moreover Lassic, a Viscount will now officially re-join under Theo's crest.
Not to mention the rest of Altrik...

So uhm... Duke or Archduke?

Edit: Oh also look who suddenly had archers again lol - yes right... THEO
Why does he only don't have them when not having them would be dumb as hell?

Also pls give his soldiers some proper equipment already... - Most other Lords have almost full plate armor...

[foxbox360]

The Fleeting Lord has no choice but to accept him as leader.

[LG-MAX 2.o]

great action scene: https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/49585

[HtwoN]

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

Also pls give his soldiers some proper equipment already... - Most other Lords have almost full plate armor...

The equipment is pretty standard for foot soldiers. In medieval time, only knights could afford full plate armor.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

So what court rank is he now?
He had Earl from owning Sistinia and has now beaten another Earl and absorbed his crest.
Moreover Lassic, a Viscount will now officially re-join under Theo's crest.
Not to mention the rest of Altrik...

So uhm... Duke or Archduke?

Edit: Oh also look who suddenly had archers again lol - yes right... THEO
Why does he only don't have them when not having them would be dumb as hell?

Also pls give his soldiers some proper equipment already... - Most other Lords have almost full plate armor...

He didn't have archers in Sistina because he only had Sistinan peasant militias then. Once he rejoined the main fight, he had his regular troops again, plus the troops of whichever other lords went with him to attack Castle Unicorn.


Also, couldn't the infantry men hide behind stakes or something?

[foxbox360]

Originally Posted by LG-MAX 2.o

great action scene: https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/49585

reminds me of star wars.