[Game] Umineko - Spoilers, Theories, Interpretations

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by TsundereCake

So....... do those BeatoxBattler scenes that are in the OP never happen..... or something? O_O;

As far as I know, they didn't. But for all we know, this same OP will be used in the 6th game.

[Tomoya-kun]

@Sterling01

Spoiler for EP 5:

So does Beato really disappear like everyone is saying?

[TsundereCake]

@_@ I have a Natsuhi headache @_@ I'm gonna step away from this topic for awhile @_@

[Sterling01]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

So...

Spoiler for query:

MAGEBATTLER doesn't happen...?

Spoiler for Ep 5:

The 6th game is his to control

[Klashikari]

I would like people to refrain going all emotional especially regarding things they have "yet" read.
I'm sorry if I sound blunt, but going on high horses without reading the actual game and the details of how the characters are acting make me wonder how jumping on the gun is anything healthy.

Now, something you might require to remember: Beato could intrude herself in a ridiculous way in Episode 2 without anyone expecting it.
So why not Bern with her own self as a piece?

Also, please realize that sterling and the like don't have any responsibility to explain everything etc. If you are that impatient, please wait or ask in PM (though this solution is also not so good, as I can expect toncrap of harassment through PM). But repeatedly spamming questions and the like goes against the purpose of such thread.

10 min lock so people can cool off a bit.

[Mikachiru]

Thanks Klash. I think we all needed that...

[June 1983]

Now see? This is why we can't have nice things.

Thank you Klash.

[blitz1/2]

Well, I am a antimystery fan, but sometimes comes up with antifantasy theories from time to time because I am bored.

For all I know, Erika (to me) is a gamepiece by the witches to "test" Battler, if he truly can prove his worth, the validity of his red/blue texts and the limits of his determination/will to break through the Endless October.

Also, to me. Because Bern and LD have such "free" time, they add new pieces in an attempt to "spice" up the games, but Battler thinks this is utter silliness, which is why he's pissed. (add to the fact that Ange's death is still fresh in his memories) AKA, he's implying, "Cut the crap! Play the game seriously, I don't have time to meddle in your games."


Also, for the Iron Maidens, which furniture do "they" belong to? Are they LD's? (doubt Beato since they are not demon names)

Also, what are the chances that LD will appear on the board.

[Tyabann]

Thanks Klash.

...I think I'll just wait for someone to post a complete summary.

Spoiler:

I don't really care if Erika remains a villain anyway.

[Tomoya-kun]

Thanks Klash. I needed that.

[Hareoic]

Hookay, I think we all needed that.

Now, I just speed-played through a lot of the game and I have come to one conclusion:

Spoiler for Very sure that I'm right about this:

We're being trolled. Hard.

Spoiler for Here's why:

When Battler and his family witnesses a magic battle (without getting sloshed) and characters seem to move to and from between the meta world and the gameboard regardless of whether or not they're witches or furniture, you know that it's garbage.

[Klashikari]

Good, It seems the risk of my "emergency brake" paied off (that or I anger even more those who are craving for the info).

I'm absolutely not done with ep5, so I'm playing a dangerous game in going here, but for those who want to know:

Regarding Erika, it is confirmed in red that: she is real (adds +1 in the human counter), doesn't exist in other worlds, and that she is a blank slate (no way she is the culprit etc).
I'm not sure if it was already explained, but considering the amount of posts, it might be a good reminder (and I don't dare checking everything posted by people who already finished the game so)

Currently in chapter7, with the aftermath of the epitaph resolution.
So far, my big complain: Krauss is a utter moron. He lost all the remnants of respect I had for him.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Hareoic

Spoiler for Very sure that I'm right about this:

We're being trolled. Hard.

Spoiler for Here's why:

When Battler and his family witnesses a magic battle (without getting sloshed) and characters seem to move to and from between the meta world and the gameboard regardless of whether or not they're witches or furniture, you know that it's garbage.

That, or...

Spoiler for possibility:

Everything has gotten so fucked up that there's pretty much no boundary between magic and real anymore.

Effectively, Rokkenjima has slid almost entirely into the magic-world.

Not good.

[Claude~]

Originally Posted by blitz1/2

Also, for the Iron Maidens, which furniture do "they" belong to? Are they LD's? (doubt Beato since they are not demon names)

Considering this screenshot:

Spoiler for TIPS screen:

(Look at how the characters are arranged on the left)

It looks like they're Bern's/Erika's.

[Kamar]

Spoiler for Woot, some meta world!:

Battler and Beato appear, watching. Battler looks sort of happy/relaxedish, and compares the mood/tea/etc to the one Renove creates with his treats. Beato mutters something. Battler tries to tease her into responding with the idea of tea. he tries to put a cup of tea in her hand, but she says No. Then there is this line.



Trans please, its a bit of a clusterf___ in the translation and I need mah BatBeato interactions :3

Anyways, Battler still tries to help her drink, helping her hold it and moving it to her mouth. She drinks just a bit. Then there is a line about trying to kill each other with red and blue every day, which to him is in the dim and distant past already. Then "Even the thing to make the �c�c intention to say nothing of killing one another commuted is difficult with [beato] today. "
All that is left is tea to drink.

He asks her if the tea is good. But she doesn't respond, although he doesn't expect her to. He gets frustrated, not mad, looking, and asks if its another north wind blah blah blah to make him depressed. She doesn't respond. He says something about the condition being all crazy because of 'that appearance'.

No response. >_< face Battler, then he asks her to laugh at "baka" for being caught by her soon. No reaction. He asks her to laugh like the her drinking tea and cackling with Natsuhi.

No response. He asks even for...some other laugh? Hu thing?

"But that child will never laugh like that again" Bern appears.

Battler says not to take deny her ability to laugh again in front of Beato. Bern taunts him somehow? Something related to him or her saying something in red? He refuses. There is a line about not being able to read the face(his face?) in front of Beato. Then

"You have my blessing."

Battler is confused....then so am I, cuz I don't know what "[Beato] is wins by that appearance [nanoha] and you and consequential [dakarayo] of [takarakoso]. " means, which is the next thing Bern says. Whatever if means it pisses Battler off. Bern talks about how the last game was a torture game for Beato, and killed her soul, leaving her a doll? Battler asks if she is saying he did this to her. She says something about things being decided victory or defeat, and him being depressed either way? I think? Then...I think she says he won but the game didn't end? Battler asks why. Bern indicates the fetter, the Rule that LD made. That yielding/resigning doesn't end the game.

She starts talking about when he yielded, and she supported him, although he didn't seem to perceive it(or maybe just not perceive it as help). Bern says she helped him with an advantageous development and a hint. She asks if he remembers. He tentatively considers that he may be supported by her, whether he realizes it or not.

Bern says the LD supports Beato the same way. And next time, Beato was the one yielding. So, LD supported her in a way that kept her from yielding. The fetter. She played, and was saved by the thing that did not forgive resigning. Battler looks uncomfortable, and understand that LD doesn't care how it 'saves' her. Bern continues.

She says the game started with two people. She asks if either resigns, admitting defeat, or win by checkmate. LD crushed Beato's ability to resign. So she can only lose through defeat. Bern praises it as amazing support. (God I hate Bern)

Battler tries to think through this. He considers the ramifications of playing the game. He also thinks about how he and Beato both struggled for victory, fighting their best. The game reached...something?...every time, because they tried their best. Then, Beato recognized defeat, wanting him to end the game, and end everything. So Bern is correct. Beato became a corpse because of him. But it was something they both hoped for.

"Our matches are already settled. but the game doesn't end. I was entrusted with Beato...I win quickly, and the game ends." (I think this is right, had to de-gibberish stuff)

Bern says nothing.

He continues, saying that the game continues as nothing but nightmare and torture for Beato, until a true checkmate is given, and the game ends with a true meaning. Beato must be given tranquil sleep. He keeps fighting for that. But eternal torture ...something... advances the game and Beato continues. To make them sleep peacefully, the sort of feeling to wring the neck with floss silk.

He talks about the trivial end of the game, Beato's resignation. He talks about the end of the fight, and returning to the family. It seems like he thinks he could return now, but won't because it would leave Beato to LD's fetter? He hates the game. (I lol'd, the translator kept going "It hates it. It hates the Game" gollum style)

Bern acts somewhat condescending, saying What? and asking him if he suddenly wanted to use discretion when he saw Beato's painful expression as he approached the truth. That is is nice to "go easy on someone" out of love. Or maybe he only has to let Beato, his opponent, win. She finished up with a taunt about Ange.

Battler looks angry, and keeps pausing as he speaks. He says he will return for Ange. Then, either he or Bern (move your mouth when you speak Bern >;o) says something along the lines of "even so....feel pity for Beato". Then, someone says

"Kill the witch tightly" whatever the hell that babble means. There is a lot of ........... of silence. I think it was Beato that said it, since Battler seems pissed that it was said in front of Beato's coma self.

Evil Bern grin, and her saying that his purpose is to kill her. That he was begged to kill her. And said..uh...gibberish. Then she comments that when a fingernail is peeled off, its better to do it quickly. Someone who does it timidly is horrible to be against/have do it. She asks something about torture, with a Hu in there.

Battler is silent. Bern looks at him, still looking kind of..uh..evil, and tells him to kill quickly if there is benevolence, "Kill". Battler suddenly responds, "Speak for yourself. I'll decide how to perform the last rites for (this fellow). You and the witch named Lamba Delta are unrelated. I (will? )kill."

Bern comments that it is nice if that intention remains unchanged., because she is betting on him. She asks if that's nice. Then, this:



As always, clearer translation would be great ;3
I'll break this up here, still continuing, just thought I'd let you guys read through what I've got so far here ;3

[Sterling01]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Spoiler for possibility:

Effectively, Rokkenjima has slid almost entirely into the magic-world.

In Ep 3 Beato says the more Battler accepts her the further Rokkenijima slides in the magic world.

Spoiler for Ep 5:

That explains a lot of shit.

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Regarding Erika, it is confirmed in red that: she is real (adds +1 in the human counter), doesn't exist in other worlds, and that she is a blank slate (no way she is the culprit etc).

Hmm... I see; so, there's a chance that the red (unless stated otherwise) only applies to the kakera it was used in. Meaning that the "x<=17" only applied to the other games, or only to the 4th one.

I'm wondering if the purpose of this game is to actually take sides (i.e. either anti-fantasy or anti-mystery). I guess I'll keep on the sticking to the enjoy-the-ride side.

[Klashikari]

Yes it is confirmed: The human counter is only affecting the kakera where Erika was introduced by Bernkastel.
Otherwise, it is 17 for all other games, but they did confirm it is 18 with Erika.
I forgot to state the following red statements as well:
-Erika is not the culprit, nor an accomplice
-she is confirmed as a detective (in red)
-Erika doesn't have any influence on Beato's games at all.


For those who are wondering, as people already mentioning the "kanon = shannon" theory is impossible, a red statement crush another non ep3 theory as well;
It is confirmed that: battler is not the culprit and did not kill anyone. This is applied to ALL games.

[Sterling01]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

-she is confirmed as a detective (in red)

Yeah... I didn't get why that was needed.

[Mikachiru]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

For those who are wondering, as people already mentioning the "kanon = shannon" theory is impossible, a red statement crush another non ep3 theory as well;

Hurray! I always hated that theory...XD