New Code Geass Project Launched

[faiz blaster]

Originally Posted by D-KLAC

goro you rather be reading this cause if do not get my idea for geass next project to be restart/reboot geass series make events of r1 & r2 being non-canon or new season involve TIME TRAVEL to prevent all those "events" yea that means

1.stop evil parents plans
2.give suzaku his "girl" back
3.no more lies, betrayal, backstab, evil, etc
4.give everyone a goody two shoes happy ending

etc etc etc overall make sure all of r1 & r2 not true & fix the geass timeline for that it's "SAVED".


so that i can my GOODY HAPPY HAPPY ENDING & if you're still not you will be this happen to you & those who worked on your abominationhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA-271GIsZU

First of all, you're as difficult to understand as usual. Please, try to be a little more clearer and improve your grammar.

Secondly, how many times do you intend to repeat the same thing? Nobody likes a troll!

[secretzfan]

Originally Posted by D-KLAC

goro you rather be reading this cause if do not get my idea for geass next project to be restart/reboot geass series make events of r1 & r2 being non-canon or new season involve TIME TRAVEL to prevent all those "events" yea that means

1.stop evil parents plans
2.give suzaku his "girl" back
3.no more lies, betrayal, backstab, evil, etc
4.give everyone a goody two shoes happy ending

etc etc etc overall make sure all of r1 & r2 not true & fix the geass timeline for that it's "SAVED".


so that i can my GOODY HAPPY HAPPY ENDING & if you're still not you will be this happen to you & those who worked on your abomination http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA-271GIsZU

It isn't happening dude

[FoxxFireArt]

Originally Posted by miroku2192

I would just like a story that follows C.C. really. There's so much about her that we don't really get to see, and we could really get some good insight if they made a few ovas or something on her. Maybe even throw in Mao (lawl).

The other thing I'm curious about is the whole "race" of people with the code. There should be a lot more, how come we only see 2 people? C.C. and V.V.? What about all the others who probably have geass too?

Well, isnt there going to be that Renya manga series that follows C.C. in the Edo period. That's being handled as canon manga. I'm not sure C.C. will be covered in this Gaiden anime. Maybe if it's a prequel.

[secretzfan]

Originally Posted by FoxxFireArt

Well, isnt there going to be that Renya manga series that follows C.C. in the Edo period. That's being handled as canon manga. I'm not sure C.C. will be covered in this Gaiden anime. Maybe if it's a prequel.

But Gaiden isn't a prequel it is a side story

[D-KLAC]

Originally Posted by secretzfan

It isn't happening dude

it MUST HAPPEN really not everyone is still darn ok with that "trainwrecK" really you're just blind & not really know the REAL TRUTH.

cause really r1- & r-2 must be non-canon or be altered & the GOODY HAPPY HAPPY TWO ENDING MUST HAPPEN.

really do i have goes NEXUS on this to happen.

[ImmortalFire]

Originally Posted by D-KLAC

it MUST HAPPEN really not everyone is still darn ok with that "trainwrecK" really you're just blind & not really know the REAL TRUTH.

cause really r1- & r-2 must be non-canon or be altered & the GOODY HAPPY HAPPY TWO ENDING MUST HAPPEN.

really do i have goes NEXUS on this to happen.

Happy ending? You must elaborate on this.
Because to me, the ending, though tragic, couldn't have been more epic. At least...put into the perspective it deserves

[Arbitres]

You should really ignore D-KLAC.

Hopefully there'll be an actually decent update for Akito gaiden.

[azul120]

Originally Posted by ImmortalFire

Happy ending? You must elaborate on this.
Because to me, the ending, though tragic, couldn't have been more epic. At least...put into the perspective it deserves

It was all too contrived to be given the kind of spin they aimed for. They were only aiming for the epic part. There was too much wrong with it aside from that. It was a huge pile of narm.

[Xander]

@Arbitres:

It would be relatively reasonable for next month's Newtype to bring us an update, considering this would be about one year after the original announcement was made. I'm not going to bet on it though, since we really have no idea about the production and advertising schedules involved.

Originally Posted by azul120

It was all too contrived to be given the kind of spin they aimed for. They were only aiming for the epic part. There was too much wrong with it aside from that. It was a huge pile of narm.

First, so-called "narm" is one of the most variable and subjective things in this world.

Second, D-KLAC himself has...his own issues and concerns, for lack of a better description. Honestly, I'd rather not elaborate on any of that myself and instead let him do so if he actually wishes to talk about the ending.

And third, while there are certain more or less commonly agreed upon flaws in the ending...I would say some of us have a slightly to moderately different interpretation, to say the least, than the one you've presented above.

Still, I'd think there are more appropriate discussion topics for this thread than going over all of that once again.

[KazePT]

Hum, talking about this new project:

This new story, happens in the "same" world as the first one.
At what extend do you guys think that the power of Geass is "out there"?
We never really had any explanation of "where" or "when" the Geass power was born right?
I'm guessing that we will see some characters that we know, like V.V. (because he seems to have some importance when it comes to the power of the geass)
Or people from that "village" where the Geass studies where held.

I can't wait for it to come out!

[GundamFan0083]

I'm hoping for some more explanations about the origins of Geass and VV's story as well.
This Gaiden takes place sometime between S1 and R2 and is set in the European Theater (Euro-Universe I believe it's called).

I hope it's not just another Gundam 0080 A War in the Pocket, even though I liked that OVA in the Gundam world I'm not so sure how it would work out in Geass.

If the internet is any indication, then many (if not most) of the CG fans want a sequel from what I've experienced.
Maybe I'm wrong, but you sure wouldn't know judging by the sheer number of fanfiction sequels, and bulliten board forums where people are demanding an R3.

[azul120]

Changes along the lines of something something Zero Requiem fails, fan favored characters unfairly stuffed into fridge come back (believably, too), problems not solved through some half-baked fake dictator world peace scheme as veiled suicide?

[Xander]

Originally Posted by GundamFan0083

I'm hoping for some more explanations about the origins of Geass and VV's story as well.

In all honesty, I'd rather see them avoid dealing with the origins of Geass at all unless the story has a very specific reason to go into those details. It's better to keep things simple. In some ways, the original series could have gotten away with explaining even less if that had contributed to making the central narrative stronger and more focused than what it was (maybe this is, curiously, what Okouchi meant when he said they had "overdone" the explanations?).

For example, I could see that in a hypothetical prequel about how Charles rose to the throne (V.V. should play a major role there) or even in the ongoing Renya of the Darkness, further down the line, but a side story set in Europe that may or may not bring any existing characters back into the fold...doesn't seem like the most natural place to do so. If they somehow manage to pull it off though, I certainly won't complain.

This Gaiden takes place sometime between S1 and R2 and is set in the European Theater (Euro-Universe I believe it's called).

Gaiden is supposed to take place in the year a.t.b. 2017 but there's no information on whether it's intended to take place between seasons, or, say, simply earlier in the year. Strictly speaking, everything could happen without going beyond the time frame of the first season. We don't really know that much, so neither possibility can be dismissed.

I hope it's not just another Gundam 0080 A War in the Pocket, even though I liked that OVA in the Gundam world I'm not so sure how it would work out in Geass.

Who knows...I don't see why that approach -or a similar one- wouldn't work. It keeps things relatively self-contained and doesn't interfere with what actually happened during the main story. The same thing goes for Gundam: 08th Mobile Suit Team, which would be more along the lines of what I'd personally want to watch.

If the internet is any indication, then many (if not most) of the CG fans want a sequel from what I've experienced.
Maybe I'm wrong, but you sure wouldn't know judging by the sheer number of fanfiction sequels, and bulliten board forums where people are demanding an R3.

You're correct, but I'm glad that sometimes companies don't necessarily do exactly what the fans want...and yet still end up making a profit in spite of this.

Listening a bit too much to the fans and pandering to them, at least in certain areas, was one of R2's biggest issues in my opinion.

Originally Posted by azul120

Changes along the lines of something something Zero Requiem fails, fan favored characters unfairly stuffed into fridge come back (believably, too), problems not solved through some half-baked fake dictator world peace scheme as veiled suicide?

For what it's worth, even if there are unresolved problems that need to be addressed this doesn't necessarily mean Zero Requiem "failed" as long as the world is still marginally to moderately better off than what it was before. A state of permanent peace and harmony isn't required nor should it be automatically assumed.

They could come up with a new conflict or crisis that puts everything in jeopardy, years or decades after the fact, and still tell a decent enough tale without making the preceding conclusion pointless. At the very least, that's what I see on a conceptual level. Whether it would work out or not in practice is another matter.

[azul120]

Originally Posted by Xander

In all honesty, I'd rather see them avoid dealing with the origins of Geass at all unless the story has a very specific reason to go into those details. It's better to keep things simple. In some ways, the original series could have gotten away with explaining even less if that had contributed to making the central narrative stronger and more focused than what it was (maybe this is, curiously, what Okouchi meant when he said they had "overdone" the explanations?).

For example, I could see that in a hypothetical prequel about how Charles rose to the throne (V.V. should play a major role there) or even in the ongoing Renya of the Darkness, further down the line, but a side story set in Europe that may or may not bring any existing characters back into the fold...doesn't seem like the most natural place to do so. If they somehow manage to pull it off though, I certainly won't complain.



Gaiden is supposed to take place in the year a.t.b. 2017 but there's no information on whether it's intended to take place between seasons, or, say, simply earlier in the year. Strictly speaking, everything could happen without going beyond the time frame of the first season. We don't really know that much, so neither possibility can be dismissed.



Who knows...I don't see why that approach -or a similar one- wouldn't work. It keeps things relatively self-contained and doesn't interfere with what actually happened during the main story. The same thing goes for Gundam: 08th Mobile Suit Team, which would be more along the lines of what I'd personally want to watch.



You're correct, but I'm glad that sometimes companies don't necessarily do exactly what the fans want...and yet still end up making a profit in spite of this.

Listening a bit too much to the fans and pandering to them, at least in certain areas, was one of R2's biggest issues in my opinion.



For what it's worth, even if there are unresolved problems that need to be addressed this doesn't necessarily mean Zero Requiem "failed" as long as the world is still marginally to moderately better off than what it was before. A state of permanent peace and harmony isn't required nor should it be automatically assumed.

They could come up with a new conflict or crisis that puts everything in jeopardy, years or decades after the fact, and still tell a decent enough tale without making the preceding conclusion pointless. At the very least, that's what I see on a conceptual level. Whether it would work out or not in practice is another matter.

Basically in the opinions of many, including my own, the Zero Requiem was just a veiled excuse for Lelouch to bail out of his problems and come up with a solution without having to be part of the accompanying process. And quite a messy solution it was, not to mention that he would have been a bigger asset to the world living than dead as one of the rebuilders.

[Xander]

Originally Posted by azul120

Basically in the opinions of many, including my own, the Zero Requiem was just a veiled excuse for Lelouch to bail out of his problems and come up with a solution without having to be part of the accompanying process. And quite a messy solution it was, not to mention that he would have been a bigger asset to the world living than dead as one of the rebuilders.

And if so, so what? There were better, different options...that Lelouch certainly didn't feel like taking. His priorities (and, by extension, those of the writers) remained elsewhere on both an emotional and intellectual level. The plan is a reflection of both his overall personality and his state of mind at the time. I doubt Lelouch felt he deserved to go on living as an "asset to the world" by virtue of the literal mountain of accumulated guilt and pain he had to deal with.

I think that should be clear enough for many of us here. I don't substantially disagree with the underlying facts but, rather, with their ultimate interpretation. Just as well, I think most of the nuances of this discussion have been properly addressed before.

Despite my personal lack of enthusiasm about any potential sequel...as I've previously tried to communicate, that messy state of affairs could still be used as the starting point to tell another story if Sunrise ever wanted to do so. Which, once again, doesn't necessarily make Lelouch's plan senseless or meaningless.

[azul120]

Well, all that's true is that his young age and resulting lack of wisdom made him unable to cope.

But it's not only that. It's also the timing of the last couple traumas, which averted, could have spared him from taking that final dive, especially given that one of those things he thought happened didn't happen at all, made it a perfect Shakespearean tragedy.

And if they were to avoid making the end result senseless (meaning that the peace wouldn't be shattered), that would be utterly nonsensical. The best thing that could be taken away is that, as GundamFan0083's post-canon fanfic series lampshades, nature abhors a vacuum, and what humans really desire is liberty.

I know that if Charred Knight was here, he'd be explaining why the end result of Zero Requiem is a major case of Did Not Do The Research.

[Xander]

EDITED:

Nothing to see here other than my reply and more redundant discussion. Move along.

Spoiler for See above:

Originally Posted by azul120

And if they were to avoid making the end result senseless (meaning
that the peace wouldn't be shattered), that would be utterly
nonsensical.

Which is where I still remain in absolute disagreement with you...in
both directions. The underlying point of the ending, what we can
consider its meaning, is not irrevocably tied to the resulting state
of world affairs. Why? Because, among other things, the show itself
includes at least two or three different conversations suggesting that
the peace isn't meant to be permanent, the most blatant of which is
Lelouch's discussion with Schneizel.

In other words, Lelouch himself is aware of the fact that he has not
brought about a final end to human conflict or even the so-called "End
of History" if you want to get philosophical here. And that is not, in
fact, a necessary condition for the ending to carry or convey meaning
in the context of its fictional story (and honestly, we would be
forced to acknowledge that all of our human actions are "meaningless"
if we were equally cynical about what each of our own lives amounts to
in the grand scheme of things). There are, for instance, emotional and
subjective dimensions involved that can be appreciated. "Meaning"
isn't necessarily objective.

Once again, I believe we have gone over all of the details more than
twice in the past. This really gives me a sense of déjà vu.

The best thing that could be taken away is that, as
GundamFan0083's post-canon fanfic series lampshades, nature abhors a
vacuum, and what humans really desire is liberty.

And yet, said liberty also includes humanity's struggle to find
happiness and keep or restore the peace. Which is an idea mentioned by
the series itself and it's one that fits well within Lelouch's
expectations for the future. In other words, many different things
could happen without contradicting the ending. You don't even need to
lampshade it in order to create the premise for a new story. I have
not had the pleasure of reading that fanfic series, but at the end of
the day there will always be an endless number of possible outcomes.
Said vacuum does not need to remain forever empty.

I know that if Charred Knight was here, he'd be explaining why
the end result of Zero Requiem is a major case of Did Not Do The
Research.

And, as someone who is in fact a Bachelor of History (for those who
may care about credentials), I would be debating him. Just as I've
done so before.

That trope would only apply if Code Geass had any real obligation to
be or any pretension of being a scientific or historical documentary
set in a realistic world.

It does not and, I would argue, should not. "Doing the research" is
not a matter of reading up on the past and pretending that the future
-let alone the future of a fictional world that does not exist-
will simply be a repetition of it. Context and details are absolutely
important, not just linear extrapolations. The future can never be
predicted with absolute certainty, no matter how much you study the
past, because it relies on an infinite number of factors and their
endless variations. Trends can be identified but they are quite
complex and there are rival interpretations about them, not just a
single "truth" that can be universally accepted.

To put it another way...I think we could agree that Zero Requiem isn't
likely to last for too long, but anything more than that is
speculation...and subject to Sunrise's arbitrary plans. They literally
could choose to make it last months, years, decades or centuries. The
sky's the limit.

The argument is effectively over though and I will not continue it here.

[Arbitres]

I really do suggest not to get back into this, you two. This has been stated numerously, not just on this thread but also on other threads. This is just same old same with a heightened value of redundancy.

Besides this isn't the thread for this sort of discussion. It's for the New Code Geass stuff, If you can't help yourselves bring it back to the Generic Discussion Thread.

[Roloko vi Britannia]

Originally Posted by Arbitres

I really do suggest not to get back into this, you two. This has been stated numerously, not just on this thread but also on other threads. This is just same old same with a heightened value of redundancy.

Besides this isn't the thread for this sort of discussion. It's for the New Code Geass stuff, If you can't help yourselves bring it back to the Generic Discussion Thread.

I agree with Ar guys this is getting old its the same argument over and over again its getting kind of annoying for the rest of us to hear the same exact thing everyday, but at least do it in the appropriate thread.

[azul120]

Sorry, didn't mean to derail. Just stating why Lelouch's story wouldn't necessarily have to be over, in response to what was said earlier.