Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha The MOVIE 1st

[RadiantBeam]

Originally Posted by Demi.

CCS henshin wouldn't work due to the dozens of variations with her costumes. Would be kinda weird to show one costume henshin and not the others...And there are far too many to show. Additionally, she alternates between costumes during battles, so that makes for even less time for henshin. And really, because of that, she doesn't have a signature henshin scene.

So far as I know, Strike Witches is also largely considered to be something of a magical girl show despite what it deals with, and even then none of the girls really have henshin sequences; unless you consider the bits where their ears and tails pop out henshin sequences. Of course, I could be wrong; I've always considered it something of a magical girl show, honestly, but that's just how I interpreted it.

[Demi.]

Pantsu witches is not a mahou sjoujo, imo. It's just a military setting with magic.

[RadiantBeam]

Originally Posted by Demi.

Pantsu witches is not a mahou sjoujo, imo. It's just a military setting with magic.

In the end it all comes down to the viewer's preferences and interpretation of the show, so I don't think we're going to win this one.

[Kaijo]

Originally Posted by Demi.

CCS henshin wouldn't work due to the dozens of variations with her costumes. Would be kinda weird to show one costume henshin and not the others...And there are far too many to show. Additionally, she alternates between costumes during battles, so that makes for even less time for henshin. And really, because of that, she doesn't have a signature henshin scene.

Ah, but you said: "Technically speaking, this series is of the mahou shoujo genre. A mahou shoujo without a henshin sequence would be a disgrace to mahou shoujo anime."

It's not whether it works or not; they still could have animated them, but the director wanted Tomoyo to supply costumes. CCS and Strike ares ARE considered Maho shoujo. Check wikipedia if you want. Japan calls them that.

So, based upon your quote, they are both "disgraces." They aren't my favorites, but I think a few fans would object to them being called disgraces. :P

[Demi.]

Wikipedia = unreliable. Other sources tell me it's not. Like ANN and MAL.

As for CCS, technically speaking does have exceptions. Nanoha however, does not belong within an exception. They have but one costume, and one variation of henshin, as such, skipping the henshin would be ridiculous. It's one of the main draws to the genre.

[TheShinySword]

Main draws? Really? You'd watch a movie for a 30-1:00 minute clip of sparkly nudity? Or a tv series for the same clip episode after episode? Distinctive trait maybe, but main draw?

[Demi.]

And that was a fine case of missing the point entirely.

It's a staple of the genre, it's just as significant as expecting a couple to kiss at the end of a romance. Neither have to happen, but the short sequence makes the genre all the more enjoyable.

Though it can be done excessively and kill the genre all the same.

[TheShinySword]

Originally Posted by Demi.

And that was a fine case of missing the point entirely.It's a staple of the genre, it's just as significant as expecting a couple to kiss at the end of a romance. Neither have to happen, but the short sequence makes the genre all the more enjoyable.

Though it can be done excessively and kill the genre all the same.

I think it's more of a case of not making a valid point in the first place. Henshin sequences are hardly as important as the kiss at an end of a romance. A romance is all about the, you know, romance. Magical girl without the magical girl, well yeah that'd be a problem. But without a bit of sparkly nudity? Somehow I feel the fans would survive, though I doubt it's leaving anytime soon.

[Demi.]

^Valid point was just edited into my previous post.

And I know the Nanoha henshin is a buzz kill to some people here, but it's quite the hit in a lot of other places.

And you know, I must have read at least 50 reviews of the Nanoha movie so far. You want to know the three main draws from their view?

Henshin, Starlight Breaker, Fate's rebirth - in no particular order. If a lot of fans want it and it's expected to appear in nearly every series of the same genre - it becomes a staple.

[Arkeus]

Originally Posted by TheShinySword

I think it's more of a case of not making a valid point in the first place. Henshin sequences are hardly as important as the kiss at an end of a romance. A romance is all about the, you know, romance. Magical girl without the magical girl, well yeah that'd be a problem. But without a bit of sparkly nudity? Somehow I feel the fans would survive, though I doubt it's leaving anytime soon.

you are doubting the power of the +~SPARKLE~

More seriously, MGLN most likely has the Henshin scenes because, when you come down to it, it's the spin off of an eroge.

[itanshi1]

Originally Posted by TheShinySword

I think it's more of a case of not making a valid point in the first place. Henshin sequences are hardly as important as the kiss at an end of a romance. A romance is all about the, you know, romance. Magical girl without the magical girl, well yeah that'd be a problem. But without a bit of sparkly nudity? Somehow I feel the fans would survive, though I doubt it's leaving anytime soon.

This is my thought on the matter, but Demi might be correct from an eastern POV for all I know. Kinda a moot argument. We often as anime fans if only western anime fans at that have to wade through elements of show to enjoy the rest. :/

[Demi.]

I can say the female demographic who watched the Nanoha movie is almost null. That should tell you something.

[itanshi1]

Doesn't tell me anything, Demi. Sorry.

[Demi.]

What could men in their teens and twenties possibly find so attractive about a mahou shoujo, that women don't. hmmm?

[itanshi1]

You are arguing with assumptions and made up statistics, so either the argument is as moot as I claimed it was and it is or you can continue arguing. Have fun.

[Demi.]

The statistics are not made up.

http://punynari.wordpress.com/2010/0...the-movie-1st/
"Yup, I went with the crowd and chose Feito-chan. Speaking of the crowd. Almost everyone seeing the Nanoha movie was a male and between the ages of 16-45. There were almost no females in sight. ^^;"

Would you prefer I quote more for you, Ehh?

[itanshi1]

Is your cock bigger than mine? (should i have one) gg Demi, you were suckered in by the supposed challenge i left for you when my true intent was to squash this pointless argument. let this reply be mercy upon your soul informing you of this of which you did not notice yourself.

[Kaijo]

Originally Posted by Demi.

The statistics are not made up.

http://punynari.wordpress.com/2010/0...the-movie-1st/
"Yup, I went with the crowd and chose Feito-chan. Speaking of the crowd. Almost everyone seeing the Nanoha movie was a male and between the ages of 16-45. There were almost no females in sight. ^^;"

Would you prefer I quote more for you, Ehh?

You're only dealing with the movie itself, though. The actual TV series was popular for males in that demographic, as well as young girls. According to the trope page, it's popular with age 4 to 9 year old girls, and 19 to 30 year old males. The former category aren't really going to have the means to watch the movie on their own, but I assume they'll see it eventually.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...lLyricalNanoha

[Demi.]

It wasn't an argument. Whatever it was, if you wanted it to end, it is so much easier to just stop posting. Rather than present me with pointless assumptions stating that I'm the one who is making the assumptions.

@Kaijo: Really need to consider the eastern fanbase though. Who are they trying to tailor to? Because frankly, while us westerners benefit off the anime, they don't profit much off us. In Nanoha's case, anyways. Considering the total flop the licensed release was.

[TheShinySword]

Originally Posted by Kaijo

You're only dealing with the movie itself, though. The actual TV series was popular for males in that demographic, as well as young girls. According to the trope page, it's popular with age 4 to 9 year old girls, and 19 to 30 year old males. The former category aren't really going to have the means to watch the movie on their own, but I assume they'll see it eventually.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...lLyricalNanoha

Umm... did you read the whole paragraph?

It's a well known fact that Nanoha was made for the male 19-30 demographic.

Not arguing anything fyi just pointing that out.