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Pipp-ORK · 2006-04-04, 21:33

The AIR anime is disgustingly underrated, and I kind of doubt it'll be licensed (although, I hope it will be).

If so, it probably won't be any time soon. I've got my fingers crossed for the GAME translation, myself. XD While all those lackluster h-games that revolve around fetishes and the like are available to English speaking audiences, AIR isn't. T_T Pisses me off.

misakichii · 2006-06-06, 01:01

why hasn't air been licensed? well if you think about it....well i don't know but honestly, air was a very bad anime. i did not at all enjoy watching it. everything about it was just awful.

andiyar · 2006-06-06, 02:24

You are of course entitled to your opinion misakichii - and I'm sure you'll forgive me, and many other people, from disagreeing with you. Air isn't perfect. Very few of us have ever said that it was. But for people looking for more from anime than is customarily served up for them today, Air was a breath of fresh... you fill in the pun. ~_^

Frankly, I can't stand the majority of what most people clamour is 'good' or 'deserves to be licensed.' My tastes in anime, as in most things i watch or read, can be highly specialised, even niche. Air is indeed a niche product. But I (and I'm sure some others around and alive) would much rather see a show such as Air brought to the US than another mecha/fanservice/harem product that relies on a seen-it-all-before premise, with less than fascinating characters and unfulfilling scripts. I want something more than that - and I think that if the anime market ever really wants to go 'mainstream' or at least grow up a little from how I see it is perceived, it will need to move outside of it's own little box, and do things a little differently. And licensing and distributing shows such as Air and Kanon would make a nice first step.

-Andiyar

Varion · 2006-06-06, 09:47

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Originally Posted by misakichii

why hasn't air been licensed? well if you think about it....well i don't know but honestly, air was a very bad anime. i did not at all enjoy watching it. everything about it was just awful.

You dug up a 2 month old topic to say an anime is crap?

Shiroth · 2006-06-06, 09:50

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Originally Posted by Valdra

You dug up a 2 month old topic to say an anime is crap?

It was the persons opinion on why it hasen't been licensed~

Of course i don't agree with the person at all, but like its already been said - Air isn't perfect, and just because of that - its not the reason why it hasn'e been licensed.

Vexx · 2006-06-06, 10:09

I'm more likely to consider an opinion with some explanation, support, or validation. None provided in that necromantic post.

AIR has high production quality (both the tv and movie) but it is a bit complicated and explores topics unfamiliar to many potential viewers. I consider it a fairly mature story. These will all make it harder to license for the "quick kill" mentality.
That said, I'm fairly impressed Kamichu got licensed (a primer about Shinto encapsulated in a somewhat Ghibli-like story about young girls in small town Japan).... so it may be just a matter of time and finding the right partner.

At the moment, I'd consider Geneon the most likely just given what they've been willing to license before.

I wish the japanese producers would work out general partnerships with american companies so that *all* works would get translated at some point.

Shiroth · 2006-06-06, 10:55

I've said it before - but i just can't see AIR being sold anyway apart from Japan.. it just doesn't seem right with the style of story & characters it holds, just like Kanon.

Vexx · 2006-06-06, 11:43

Its nice when things get licensed and distributed simply because it becomes easier for me to justify spending money on the product when I can share it with non-JP speaking friends or family. If the original producers would english-subtitle their own work, I'd be fine with importing it directly rather than waiting for R1 releases.

Like I implicitly agreed --- AIR is a bit alien for "no brainer" licensing, but then I never expected Kamichu or Tsukuyomi Moon Phase to get licensed either.

zalas · 2006-06-06, 15:04

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Originally Posted by Vexx

Its nice when things get licensed and distributed simply because it becomes easier for me to justify spending money on the product when I can share it with non-JP speaking friends or family. If the original producers would english-subtitle their own work, I'd be fine with importing it directly rather than waiting for R1 releases.

Like I implicitly agreed --- AIR is a bit alien for "no brainer" licensing, but then I never expected Kamichu or Tsukuyomi Moon Phase to get licensed either.

In hindsight, Kamichu had Ghibli-esque art, featured the staff from R.o.D. and was a very solid series, so...

Vexx · 2006-06-06, 15:35

heh.. I wouldn't call that hindsight.... we were saying that after ep 1 first passed our eyes

But given what anime distributors *tend* to snap up .... the higher quality series often get ignored for the flashbang-T&A stuff ... just like the rest of entertainment space. (my god, my eyes are bleeding just from the summer *commercials* for the crap they're putting on broadcast tv ... gonna be a lot of anime & rental watching this summer).

NezoR · 2006-06-06, 16:43

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Originally Posted by misakichii

why hasn't air been licensed? well if you think about it....well i don't know but honestly, air was a very bad anime. i did not at all enjoy watching it. everything about it was just awful.

Opinions are like a*&&*%holes, everyone has one. I don't care whether it's licensed or not, I've watched the first two episodes and I like it alot.

Varion · 2006-06-06, 16:49

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Originally Posted by Vexx

That said, I'm fairly impressed Kamichu got licensed (a primer about Shinto encapsulated in a somewhat Ghibli-like story about young girls in small town Japan).... so it may be just a matter of time and finding the right partner.

Ah but that's just it, it's "Ghibli-like". By the looks of it, they're advertising it as that, and their stuff sells really well even outside Japan, so those people may consider trying Kamichu.

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It was the persons opinion on why it hasen't been licensed~

No, you missed the point. There was sensible discussion when the topic was alive, then it died. 2 months later someone brings it back to the top with 'It's crap'. No explanation, no justification, nothing. That would be a questionable contribution at the best of the times, never mind in something that had been dead for 2 whole months.

Shiroth · 2006-06-06, 17:41

Nope, didn't miss any point - indeed there was a good conversation was about, and yes it died - but still this thread's around for talk on why it hasen't been licensed - and this person was just talking about why he thinks it - and yet again i don't agree with him, but that it is opinon.

NezoR · 2006-06-06, 19:21

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Originally Posted by Angelsama

Nope, didn't miss any point - indeed there was a good conversation was about, and yes it died - but still this thread's around for talk on why it hasen't been licensed - and this person was just talking about why he thinks it - and yet again i don't agree with him, but that it is opinon.

It may be his opinion, but misakichii was definitely trolling.

Vexx · 2006-06-06, 20:29

Any reasonable discussion usually holds that unsupported opinions weigh less...

Carnival Forces · 2006-06-12, 12:41

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Originally Posted by Orchunter226

I'm the same way, I watched it before I even knew there was a game of it. I still have not played the game but this anime is one of my all time favorites.

same.

for some reason i just couldn't stop watching this anime, it was like something compelled me to keep going

Leo_Otaku · 2006-06-12, 14:43

They haven't even came back to support their lack of opinion.... Back on topic I think for one they won't buy rights to somthing that won't appeal to the mainstream assholes.

Maceart · 2006-06-13, 00:47

"Mainstream assholes".

Then again, 4kids did pick up Ojamajo Doremi, which I thought had 0% chance of getting licensed.

If someone does license AIR, I'll hope it's a competent company, or maybe Key can extend overseas and finally release Planetarian to the world (I wish...).

Shiroth · 2006-06-13, 07:07

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Originally Posted by Leo_Otaku

They haven't even came back to support their lack of opinion.... Back on topic I think for one they won't buy rights to somthing that won't appeal to the mainstream assholes.

I agree, and same goes for Kanon - original & remake.

Minoto · 2006-06-14, 00:06

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Originally Posted by Angelsama

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Originally Posted by Leo_Otaku

They haven't even came back to support their lack of opinion.... Back on topic I think for one they won't buy rights to somthing that won't appeal to the mainstream assholes.

I agree, and same goes for Kanon - original & remake.

I'm afraid you're probably right there, though I still have some hopes for the new Kanon. AIR is visually gorgeous, which might gain it a few casual viewers. But on the down side, although it tells a very deep and emotionally involving story, it's not one that's easy to grasp on the first viewing. Whoever licensed it for the US market would have no problem selling it to AIR / Key fans in general, but it's far enough outside the mainstream that it probably wouldn't sell to very many people outside that pre-existing audience.

It seems like it would be easier to market Kanon to the general public as a school romance / comedy with some supernatural overtones than it would be to market AIR as a heavily supernatural drama / tragedy. The visual style of the original series probably would have turned some people off and made that more difficult, but if the new series looks as good as AIR (which it absolutely should), maybe it could at least have a chance. That's still probably nothing more than a dream, though...sigh.

2006-06-06, 02:24	Link #23
andiyar wingéd prettygirl Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wollongong, NSW, Australia Age: 40	You are of course entitled to your opinion misakichii - and I'm sure you'll forgive me, and many other people, from disagreeing with you. Air isn't perfect. Very few of us have ever said that it was. But for people looking for more from anime than is customarily served up for them today, Air was a breath of fresh... you fill in the pun. ~_^ Frankly, I can't stand the majority of what most people clamour is 'good' or 'deserves to be licensed.' My tastes in anime, as in most things i watch or read, can be highly specialised, even niche. Air is indeed a niche product. But I (and I'm sure some others around and alive) would much rather see a show such as Air brought to the US than another mecha/fanservice/harem product that relies on a seen-it-all-before premise, with less than fascinating characters and unfulfilling scripts. I want something more than that - and I think that if the anime market ever really wants to go 'mainstream' or at least grow up a little from how I see it is perceived, it will need to move outside of it's own little box, and do things a little differently. And licensing and distributing shows such as Air and Kanon would make a nice first step. -Andiyar __________________ "Any good that I may do here, let me do now, for I may not pass this way again"

2006-06-06, 10:09	Link #26
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	I'm more likely to consider an opinion with some explanation, support, or validation. None provided in that necromantic post. AIR has high production quality (both the tv and movie) but it is a bit complicated and explores topics unfamiliar to many potential viewers. I consider it a fairly mature story. These will all make it harder to license for the "quick kill" mentality. That said, I'm fairly impressed Kamichu got licensed (a primer about Shinto encapsulated in a somewhat Ghibli-like story about young girls in small town Japan).... so it may be just a matter of time and finding the right partner. At the moment, I'd consider Geneon the most likely just given what they've been willing to license before. I wish the japanese producers would work out general partnerships with american companies so that all works would get translated at some point. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories! Last edited by Vexx; 2006-06-06 at 10:51.

2006-06-06, 10:55	Link #27
Shiroth Beautiful fighter. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: England, UK Age: 37	I've said it before - but i just can't see AIR being sold anyway apart from Japan.. it just doesn't seem right with the style of story & characters it holds, just like Kanon. __________________ MyAnimeList Twitter

2006-06-06, 11:43	Link #28
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	Its nice when things get licensed and distributed simply because it becomes easier for me to justify spending money on the product when I can share it with non-JP speaking friends or family. If the original producers would english-subtitle their own work, I'd be fine with importing it directly rather than waiting for R1 releases. Like I implicitly agreed --- AIR is a bit alien for "no brainer" licensing, but then I never expected Kamichu or Tsukuyomi Moon Phase to get licensed either. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2006-06-06, 15:35	Link #30
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	heh.. I wouldn't call that hindsight.... we were saying that after ep 1 first passed our eyes But given what anime distributors tend to snap up .... the higher quality series often get ignored for the flashbang-T&A stuff ... just like the rest of entertainment space. (my god, my eyes are bleeding just from the summer commercials for the crap they're putting on broadcast tv ... gonna be a lot of anime & rental watching this summer). __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2006-04-04, 21:33	Link #21
Pipp-ORK Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006	The AIR anime is disgustingly underrated, and I kind of doubt it'll be licensed (although, I hope it will be). If so, it probably won't be any time soon. I've got my fingers crossed for the GAME translation, myself. XD While all those lackluster h-games that revolve around fetishes and the like are available to English speaking audiences, AIR isn't. T_T Pisses me off.

2006-06-06, 01:01	Link #22
misakichii Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	why hasn't air been licensed? well if you think about it....well i don't know but honestly, air was a very bad anime. i did not at all enjoy watching it. everything about it was just awful.

2006-06-06, 17:41	Link #33
Shiroth Beautiful fighter. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: England, UK Age: 37	Nope, didn't miss any point - indeed there was a good conversation was about, and yes it died - but still this thread's around for talk on why it hasen't been licensed - and this person was just talking about why he thinks it - and yet again i don't agree with him, but that it is opinon. __________________ MyAnimeList Twitter

2006-06-06, 20:29	Link #35
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	Any reasonable discussion usually holds that unsupported opinions weigh less... __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2006-06-12, 14:43	Link #37
Leo_Otaku Rewrite of the Life Join Date: May 2003 Location: Canada Age: 37	They haven't even came back to support their lack of opinion.... Back on topic I think for one they won't buy rights to somthing that won't appeal to the mainstream assholes.

2006-06-13, 00:47	Link #38
Maceart Doremi-fansubs founder Fansubber Join Date: Mar 2004	"Mainstream assholes". Then again, 4kids did pick up Ojamajo Doremi, which I thought had 0% chance of getting licensed. If someone does license AIR, I'll hope it's a competent company, or maybe Key can extend overseas and finally release Planetarian to the world (I wish...). __________________ AIR 2005! Kanon 2006! CLANNAD 2007-2008! Planetarian OAV/Movie 2010?