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Also, Black Battler.
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2012-02-05, 17:45 | Link #27722 |
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Oh first time i completly agree with you, AuraTwilight.
1. We know almost nothing about Prime!Battler 2. Battler lies to "us" about Kinzo. Why not also lie about the whole monologue? 3. If we take the trial as a metaphorical version for what happened in the parlor, then Battler saying he himself may be the so-called "culprit" means, that he is confessing that it was him who did it, while not giving out the whole truth, to protect Yasuda's identity. Maybe later in the game, the cousins and the other ones involved would come out saying "surprise!" and making Erika look like a fool. Then at some time the bomb explodes because Erika turned the switch in anger and... "no one is left alive". |
2012-02-05, 18:27 | Link #27723 | ||
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Piece-Yasu's motive in EP1-4 is plenty ridiculous in of itself, and EP5 is with a different Game Master and Player; so I don't think the motive in EP5 is really meant to be something that could be able to stand up to serious scrutiny. Just wave the hand.
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You can make things fit if you really want to believe the baby's sex to be female, but the only hint that points to Yasu's sex being female is her gender orientation (which itself is only female leaning...). It's most elegant if Yasu's sex is male and gender is (kind of) female. |
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2012-02-05, 19:01 | Link #27726 | |
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Just changing the sex should have been a change big enough to make hard for Natsuhi and Kinzo to connect the baby and Shannon. Actually changing her age making her younger not only becomes pointless but draw on her even more attention as she became too young to be a servant and therefore makes odd Genji hired her... |
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2012-02-05, 19:26 | Link #27729 |
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Just a quick question, as I don't keep up with this thread all that much. Did Ryukishi ever say there were hints in the PS3 version that weren't in the PC version? Or that the voice acting was something that should be taken very seriously as a hint? Because if not, I think some people may be putting way too much stock in it. I wouldn't see it as a "hint", as I'm sure if he wanted to give out a hint like that, he would have found a way to do it in the version he himself put out.
The game boards aren't what really happened, and they can have plenty of fantasy elements in them. Natsuhi isn't the Detective of EP5, so just because she hears the Man From 19 Years Ago with that voice doesn't mean that actually happened. It just seems like a red herring to me to keep the identity of Yasu more of a mystery until EP7, as well as help set up Battler's argument that he was the culprit at the end of EP5. |
2012-02-05, 19:31 | Link #27730 | |||
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I forget the specifics, but I'm pretty sure every character in Beato's camp comments on EP5's oddities as a game. Quote:
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There's alot more that can be said on the matter, but my opinion at it's shallowest is "I doubt Ryukishi strayed VERY far from how he thought these characters would actually behave." Otherwise you get something like him saying "Well, Natsuhi is a super-intellectual yet foul mouthed floozy. But when I write my gameboard, I think she'll play the prim, uptight housewife." I mean, yeah that's possible, but really, now. The gun trick is sort of unnecessary, depending on what you're willing to believe. This is one of the few murders I can say I sort of figured out at the time it happened, though I had guesed Shannon has stabbed herself in the head. There is the hint about the stakes not being able to pierce a skull on their own, but there wasn't really any reason to think she had had a gun in that room. |
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2012-02-05, 19:34 | Link #27731 | |
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That reminds me...urgh...of Bern remark in the Tea Party of EP7. It just made Umineko and Kinzo ten times more creepy. Honestly, I believe that, as Shanon is introduced to us as entirely female, it must have some meaning to implied she's NOT entirely one. At least, I believe Yasu's gender at birth is not female. And Kinzo himself might not accept a female heir. But who knows, he at least has no objection to Jessica, maybe except the fact that she is kinda dumb. Just a joke and a stupid doubt, but the whole story seemed to be like Ryukishi trying to come out of closet... |
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2012-02-05, 19:46 | Link #27732 | |||||||||||||
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I still have no idea what actually happened that she felt guilty for, but... There is this... Quote:
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Also, I think I see why it was so important for her that he remember the promise. Maybe for Yasuda, what she wants is for "the Battler of 1980" to come for her, and if he remembers the promise, then that means that he is the Battler she loves. Quote:
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That said, Yasuda probably felt sorry for Maria. I don't think she felt that Maria's life was too sad though. After all, Maria was making the best of it. However, I think that at this point, with her mother dead, Maria might not have been able to make the best of it anymore. On a related note, in EP4, I seem to remember that Battler found Maria's corpse in the Dining Hall, with no external wounds. How did she die? OD on sleeping pills or what? That's confusing. Quote:
But you're right, there must be a reason. I think it's because not all of her personalities are female, and thus, she's not completely either gender. Alternatively, you could theorize that Yasuda is a hermaphrodite, but that's a little weird... Quote:
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Also, if the baby is wearing a diaper, then holding it does not imply that Natsuhi can see anything. At this point, it's kind of like a Small Bombs argument, but I felt the need to say something, so. Quote:
Furthermore, I could even take AuraTwilight's argument and twist it to say that since the premise for each game can be radically changed at will, Yasuda can be a male in one game and a female in another. And one more thing. The only scenes in which Natsuhi referred to TMF19YA with a gender (phone scenes and the scene where she asked Genji if the newcomer was a guy) didn't have a Detective present and therefore can easily be thrown into the darkness of the Witch. During her confession scene at the end, I distinctly recall her referring to it as "that baby" or something. I should really go back and reread that scene though... Last edited by Toku; 2012-02-05 at 19:57. |
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2012-02-05, 19:53 | Link #27733 | |
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The arrival party meets Kanon at the rose garden. HE HAS NO WORDS. |
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2012-02-05, 20:25 | Link #27735 |
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Does anyone feel disgusted toward the way ep VIII characters act toward the pieces?
I mean when they play the games during the party... only Jessica seems concerned about it, the others don't care. It seems a little weird considering they were pieces them-self during ep I-IV. |
2012-02-05, 20:30 | Link #27736 | |
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2012-02-05, 20:39 | Link #27737 | |
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It really didn't help Yasuda... But I've no love for Genji's plan... Last edited by jjblue1; 2012-02-05 at 21:00. |
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2012-02-05, 20:49 | Link #27738 | |
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Because Yasuda was still a member of the family, Genji wanted her to live on the island, so since adopting didn't work, he found a different way for it to happen. It probably could have been handled better, but I don't think he did a bad job with it. |
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2012-02-05, 21:00 | Link #27739 | |||
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The easiest theory to believe is that Yasuda was too sick to go to school... but somehow since Will tossed in the other theory as well I can't really disregard it... blame my love for Will... :P |
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2012-02-05, 21:47 | Link #27740 | |
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My theory was that Lion was made gender-ambiguous because Yasu didn't know what gender she was born as.
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