Spoilers & Speculation for the Disappearance Movie

[Animexcel]

Originally Posted by baltakatei

Also, one small pair of comments that were left out due to the time constraints placed upon Kyon's commentary was a favorite of mine:

Spoiler for space:

"Where is this place?"

"A private hospital."

I took a look around. It was an impressive single-bed ward, and I was sleeping in the bed. For me to actually check in to a single-bed ward, my family must be quite rich, and I never realized.

"A friend of my uncle happens to be the warden of this hospital, so you get special treatment when you check in here."

Turns out my family isn't rich after all.

One small comment that Kyon made that I read in the BT translation that wasn't in the movie was

Spoiler for Scene where Kyon and adult Mikuru visit Nagato's apartment:

When Kyon thinks along the lines of "I want to go in that room and punch me in the face!"

I remember giggling at that part, kinda sad it wasn't there.

[quigonkenny]

Finally relented and watched the camrip sub, and am quite glad I did. Once again KyoAni has done what they do best, and that's improve upon the original. Yes, the part up to Taniguchi's return does drag a bit, but it does in the novel as well. But God damn does it ever make up for it... ^_^

Easily the most gorgeous animated movie I've ever seen. My jaw is still dropped from the rooftop scene. I can easily see how someone could mistake it for a real background. Can not wait to get my hands on a Blu Ray of this. Yay for US and Japan being in the same region...

Best scene is the stabbing scene (as I knew it would be). Psychopathic Ryoko is gloriously psychopathic... The BGM was perfect, and the twirling around was just an amazing touch. Awesome, awesome, awesome movie... 10/10 ^_^

[Blayne Barudorii]

Oh and Haruhi had an absolutely gorgeous Zettai Ryouiki in this movie.

[Khu]

Zetta--

I must have this movie in HD.

[kniteowl]

Anyone else watch the extra part after the ending credits with more random Yuki in the Library, I was half expecting Kyon to show up and pick up Nagato to go somewhere... or is this the foreshadow of a scene in Volume 7?

Spoiler for Vol 7:

Where Nagato is waiting for Kyon in the Library. I'm not sure if it's a necessary spoiler though lol

That I can't reference the scene, since I can't go to Baka Tsuki and read up ion it.

[SealkidHaruhiism]

After watching the movie, who was that Phantom Girl that push Kyon?????

It might be one of the new characters in Vol. 9...

[ultimatemegax]

Originally Posted by SealkidHaruhiism

After watching the movie, who was that Phantom Girl that push Kyon?????

It might be one of the new characters in Vol. 9...

It is not explicitly stated who the person was, but during the story that finishes the Disappearance arc we are given a pretty big hint as to who pushed Kyon.

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by ultimatemegax

It is not explicitly stated who the person was, but during the story that finishes the Disappearance arc we are given a pretty big hint as to who pushed Kyon.

Actually, we're given a pretty big honkin' hint who did it in the movie, and that's no one. Itsuki states clearly that the doctors could find nothing wrong with Kyon, and that he was just in a coma for some unknown reason. Whether you argue that everything we saw during the three days of Disappearance was overwritten once Kyon solved it, and never happened; or it happened as shown only with Yuki subconsciously back to normal and going through the motions (of having emotions), aware of everything that would happen, only to rewrite everything back to normal once Kyon went into the past, one thing is apparent. Everything behind Kyon being in the hospital was clearly part of the "clean-up" to put the world back to normal, and that involved implanted memories (including "the girl" pushing Kyon down the stairs) at least up to the point when Kyon is taken to the hospital (never happened camp), and possibly up to the point where he wakes up in the hospital ("acting" Yuki camp).

[Ithekro]

My memory of the resolution of this event is fuzzy. I've not read that novel (7) in over a year now, maybe two.

However think alone the lines of quigonkenny...that everything did happen as Kyon encountered...and it was covered up after he pressed the "Enter" key. Trouble is...I don't remember. Though in some ways it would make sense...if Mikuru's theory about time is correct and that everything is predeturmined...thus it did happen...and for those few days....Yuki altered the World...then altered it back because that was how things happened....but it is very confusing.

And as I said...I've not read the resolution is a few years.

[iHateApril3rd2009]

minor question

Spoiler:

so what was the small snippet of kid tsuruya and mikuru after the end credits about?

and kyon was really knocked down by the 'phantom'?

i thought it was just to make him believe that he didnt got stabbed sexily in the back

[Peanutbutter]

Originally Posted by iHateApril3rd2009

and kyon was really knocked down by the 'phantom'?

i thought it was just to make him believe that he didnt got stabbed sexily in the back

From Haruhi's persepective, of course. What Haruhi sees is the world after all.

And my guess is Yuki reset the world to the point the day after Haruhi babbles her stuff about the Christmas party, i.e, Dec 17.

From Kyon's view, nothing significant happened that day. Disappearance starts Dec 18. So slotting in something in 17 was easier.

From Haruhi's perspective, Kyon had an accident on Dec 17 and in hospital for 3 days (I think)
From Kyon's perspective, he was stuck in a changed world till the 20th (I think).

So it somewhat adds up, I think.

[ultimatemegax]

Spoiler for resolution story

Spoiler:

When restoring the world to its correct state, 1-Yuki connects the world back to the ITDE through her link to the future. That Yuki does not travel back to the future with the Mikurus or Kyon, yet a Yuki is present when they come back from the trip. Since the person Haruhi saw had a skirt and there wasn't anyone else present in the school according to Koizumi due to the time of day, it's probable that the Yuki who went back in time was the one who pushed Kyon and created a chance to merge the two Kyons back into one person. As for what happened to the different Kyons, we do not know.

Once again, this is more speculation on my part.

[baltakatei]

Originally Posted by iHateApril3rd2009

minor question

Spoiler:

so what was the small snippet of kid tsuruya and mikuru after the end credits about?

...

Spoiler for very much a spoiler for later novels:

I don't know if it was a Tsuruya or Mikuru, but if one of the young children were a main character to be introduced then maybe I can shed some light on this. The only young male child who becomes a significant character later on in the novels is a boy who Mikuru and Kyon saves. Said boy later becomes the theorist who goes on to invent human time travel. Whether the red-head with the kid has anything to do with time travelers is up to you.

[iHateApril3rd2009]

o thanks very much for the replies

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by baltakatei

...

Spoiler for very much a spoiler for later novels:

I don't know if it was a Tsuruya or Mikuru, but if one of the young children were a main character to be introduced then maybe I can shed some light on this. The only young male child who becomes a significant character later on in the novels is a boy who Mikuru and Kyon saves. Said boy later becomes the theorist who goes on to invent human time travel. Whether the red-head with the kid has anything to do with time travelers is up to you.

Spoiler for vague:

Sorry, no glasses on the boy. And I've always got the impression the person you're talking about is only a little younger than Imouto-chan (if any). These kids were like 5-6 tops.

[GMT]

Originally Posted by kniteowl

Anyone else watch the extra part after the ending credits with more random Yuki in the Library, I was half expecting Kyon to show up and pick up Nagato to go somewhere... or is this the foreshadow of a scene in Volume 7?

Spoiler for Vol 7:

Where Nagato is waiting for Kyon in the Library. I'm not sure if it's a necessary spoiler though lol

That I can't reference the scene, since I can't go to Baka Tsuki and read up ion it.

I actually believe that it's the inspiration for the fabricated memory Yuki creates to tie herself and Kyon together in the Disappearance-verse. Sort of like how they tacked the prologue to Sighs onto the end of the Sighs arc. Only this is anime-original.

[Mecha_Trueno]

Man, I couldn't resist it anymore and gave in to the dark side... I ended up watching the cam-rip, which I must say was actually pretty good for a camera job. But its still a camera rip in the end.

Here's how I rate the movie...
First let me just explain, when you've been Chinese for too long, yes I'm a BBC and we're cheap-ass down to our very core. Anyway, when you've been Chinese for too long, you don't bother rating movies/series/games on a 1-10 scale anymore, it simply becomes:
- Download/stream worthy. (NO, not everything automatically qualifies for this one, don't wanna waste bandwidth)
- Archive worthy. (things that deserve a place in your hard drive)
- Purchase/cinema worthy. (now THIS one is the level thats REALLY worth letting your money exit your wallet)

Well, Suzumiya Haruhi no Shoushitsu goes FAR beyond 'purchase worthy'. Hell, I'm even more desperate to watch it in the cinema now, AND buy it when comes out on blu-ray. I'm even gonna pay full price for it, discount or no discount.
Man, I do kinda envy the viewers who watched the movie but haven't read the novels.

Is it just me? Or did that stab seem more painful when watching the movie than reading the book?

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

My jaw is still dropped from the rooftop scene. I can easily see how someone could mistake it for a real background.

Huh?
I thought is WAS a real background.

Originally Posted by ultimatemegax

Spoiler for resolution story

Spoiler:

When restoring the world to its correct state, 1-Yuki connects the world back to the ITDE through her link to the future. That Yuki does not travel back to the future with the Mikurus or Kyon, yet a Yuki is present when they come back from the trip. Since the person Haruhi saw had a skirt and there wasn't anyone else present in the school according to Koizumi due to the time of day, it's probable that the Yuki who went back in time was the one who pushed Kyon and created a chance to merge the two Kyons back into one person. As for what happened to the different Kyons, we do not know.

Once again, this is more speculation on my part.

Now that really does sound like something Koizumi would say, nice deduction.
But yeah...

Spoiler:

The fact that another Nagato was there waiting for them when they came back from December 18th, can only mean that the Nagato that went with them stayed behind; fixed a few things; and then hide in the shadows until her new self disappears from this time plane.

There were a few things they skipped out though, which I did want to see:

Spoiler:

- "You should script your lies better" after they got changed.
- "Does this girl have concept of knocking?"
- "I'm sure her stomach is made of the same stuff as everyone else, the only thing different is that brain of hers" when Kyon comments on the hotpot

But then, there's been many times where they had to skip some of Kyon's inner monologue due to time constraints in the TV series, so nothing new there.


Does anyone know how much of their budget KyoAni bombed on this movie? After watching it, it does make you think "so THAT'S where all the money went..."

I think the best part of this movie was Kyon's 'realisation' sequence. I can see where people are coming from when they said that part was very EVA-like, but the whole cinematics and emotional impact was delivered amazingly.
I was sort of expecting Pokemon shock kind of lighting effects during the time travel parts, but I guess we won't see that until the 'resolution' episode... if its EVER gonna be animated.

[ultimatemegax]

Originally Posted by Mecha_Trueno

Man, I do kinda envy the viewers who watched the movie but haven't read the novels.

Is it just me? Or did that stab seem more painful watching the movie than reading the book?

It's the ability of animation/live action to visually show it to you (enhanced as well) instead of you having to picture in your mind. While reading you, and I did the same as well, likely said "oh Kyon's getting stabbed by Asakura, where did that come from?" instead of thinking "Wow! He just got stabbed!" Visually it is an impressive scene and likely one that they focused on to get correctly adapted.

Originally Posted by Mecha_Trueno

Huh?
I thought is WAS a real background.

It was animated. I've seen many film bookmarks (whose links have expired, thanks a lot) that show it's a animation rather than real. Unfortunately, none of the backgrounds in the guidebook are from that scene.

Originally Posted by Mecha_Trueno

Now that really does sound like something Koizumi would say, nice deduction.

One thing:
Lawyer superpower#3: Pure logic...

Originally Posted by Mecha_Trueno

But yeah...

Spoiler:

The fact that another Nagato was there waiting for them when they came back from December 18th, can only mean that the Nagato that went with them stayed behind; fixed a few things; and then hide in the shadows until her new self disappears from this time plane.

The beauty of that explanation is that any plot holes that could come up are solved simply by that person.

There's one big question if we continue down that line of thinking:

Spoiler:

Which Yuki is it now that went to see Kyon and went to the rest of the activities between the events of December 18th-January 2nd? Could we be seeing the Yuki from the future while the other takes her punishment?

Originally Posted by Mecha_Trueno

There were a few things they skipped out though, which I did want to see:
"You should script your lies better" after they got changed.
- "Does this girl have concept of knocking?"
- "I'm sure her stomach is made of the same stuff as everyone else, the only thing different is that brain of hers" when Kyon comments on the hotpot

But then, there's been many times where they had to skip some of Kyon's inner monologue due to time constraints in the TV series, so nothing new there.

They left out my favorite Koizumi/Kyon dialogue!
"So am I just paying for Suzumiya-san only?"

If you're paying for me as well, I'll tell you even more.

"Then, I'm all ears,"

Originally Posted by Mecha_Trueno

Does anyone know how much of their budget KyoAni bombed on this movie? After watching it, it does make you think "so THAT'S where all the money went..."

Keep in mind that they started working on the movie at or around August 2009, giving about 5 months to work on one piece of animation (if we assume that everything was done by January, if it wasn't, then they had 6 months). They didn't air anything in the Fall or Winter coups so they had the chance to focus solely on this movie. For a company that churns out weekly episodes, that's a lot of time and detail for one movie.

Originally Posted by Mecha_Trueno

I think the best part of this movie was Kyon's 'realisation' sequence. I can see where people are coming from when they said that part was very EVA-like, but the whole cinematics and emotional impact was delivered amazingly.
I was sort of expecting Pokemon shock kind of lighting effects during the time travel parts, but I guess we won't see that until the 'resolution' episode... if its EVER gonna be animated.

Kaisos will get onto me about having hope, but I think the success of this movie almost guarantees we'll be seeing the resolution animated, if nothing else simply to finish what they started.

That whole sequence was one of the best monologues/talking to oneself/hitting oneself over the head/mindtrip scenes I could imagine. I cannot wait to see that in person.

[Skane]

I entered into a throes of ecstasy from watching-

Spoiler for Near-End Scene Spoiler:

- Asakura stab Kyon and do her twirly dance as a rain of blood slowly descends around her... So beautiful. The BGM for this scene was brilliant too. It's like violins are made for psycho moments. That smile on her face that radiated, "I did it, Nagato! I did it! I succeeded!" while Nagato was like, "WTF woman!"

Just so many things that made it awesome. Kept looping that scene. Can't wait to see it in Blu-ray quality.

I don't recall her tormenting Kyon with that hilt-bash though. Was that in the novel too?

Cheers.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by ultimatemegax

Kaisos will get onto me about having hope, but I think the success of this movie almost guarantees we'll be seeing the resolution animated, if nothing else simply to finish what they started.

Actually, I don't doubt that we'll be seeing another season. With this kind of financial success, there's no reason not to.

They had just better do it quickly. After Little Busters, of course.