2010-11-14, 12:26 | Link #18821 | |
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Unless there is a mastermind figure working behind the scenes the most probable culprit is Yasu or Mr X, in nearly all of the episodes. If Yasu is still considered a servant then there are no probable culprits and it really is a witch |
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2010-11-14, 12:32 | Link #18822 | |
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2010-11-14, 13:16 | Link #18823 | ||
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Since when did they move Maria's corpse after she dies in EP3? Moreover, if I remember correctly, I think she's confirmed dead in red. Quote:
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2010-11-14, 13:28 | Link #18824 |
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The fact that so many people are willing to say that there's no possible way Maria could commit murder, or that she's completely innocent/ignorant, is why I think a Maria murder accomplice reveal could have such an impact. If we found out in EP8 that she had some sizable hand in the events went down, if we looked over everything that has been shown and presented about her, nobody could really say that it came out of no where or that it's unrealistic. It would turn the events on the island into a true tragedy, with a misguided and abused girl doing horrific things for her unfortunate friend looking for love.
I'm no kind of expert on whatever red texts they have about Maria over the games, but I think thematically for the series, this would be a heart-clinching ending. This would also have the potential for some kind of 'resolvable' end, whether or not it's completely happy one.
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2010-11-14, 13:50 | Link #18825 | |
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I think Maria survived her initial death by being resuscitated by another person like say "Beatrice". This would fit with the fantasy we where shown as she brought Maria back , then again she brought Rosa back again as well but its harder to fake death after getting impaled in the medula oblangata. She then gets moved to the guest house and goes about locking doors and windows after "Beatrice" lures George, Krauss and Natsuhi out of the house. |
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2010-11-14, 14:21 | Link #18826 | |
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The cause of death was as Nanjo diagnosed Nanjo never described a "clinical death" in the text. He said Maria died of strangulation and Rosa died when the fence pierced through her medulla oblongata. That's the context. Therefore Maria and Rosa are really dead get over it.
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2010-11-14, 14:30 | Link #18827 |
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And your point is? Clinical death is still death and it was caused by strangulation, the red does not contradict this. The difference is that one is reversible and resuscitation isn't that hard to do.
If you go about denying the possibility that her death was a clinical death because of the red about what Nanjo diagnose then I deny the possibility that her death was a permanent or biological death on the same grounds. |
2010-11-14, 14:39 | Link #18828 | |
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Nanjo would have to do that within 8 minutes after her strangulation to resuscitate her before brain death occurs. It's utterly impossible. Again she's dead get over it.
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2010-11-14, 14:46 | Link #18829 | |
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2010-11-14, 14:52 | Link #18830 | |
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She has to be diagnosed by Nanjo as dead later to be 'dead as he diagnosed'. An Nanjo's going to be busy looking at Rosa's body too. And as I said before Maria has to be resuscitated within 8 minutes before brain death. There is not enough time with all this stuff going on. It doesn't matter who does it. The order of events makes it so there's no sensible way for it to work.
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2010-11-14, 14:58 | Link #18831 |
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We already know she was strangled and people doing mis diagnosis is pretty common in this series so far as we could infer that Shanon or Kanon wasn't dead after the first twilight.
Lets say that Maria drags Rosa out of the guest house to "see her flower" and says something outside that gets Rosa on her nerves. To the point that she drops her rifle and proceeds to choke Maria to death. Gets a little out of hand and puts her in a state of clinical death. "Beatrice" just saw this and ran to her friend but was too late, pushes Rosa to the fence and gets her stuck there and proceeds to give Maria CPR. Brings her back and tells her to play dead for the others. |
2010-11-14, 15:01 | Link #18832 | ||
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My point basically was that Yasu started complaining due to something she learned about herself, and which is related to the incident when she fell from a cliff, in which I see no connection to intersexuality at all.
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2010-11-14, 15:03 | Link #18833 | ||
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Don't even get me started on Kanon and Shannon. Quote:
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2010-11-14, 15:10 | Link #18834 | |
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So Mr X killed both Maria and Rosa while Rosa had a rifle in her hands then proceeds to use crazy inventions to re-latch doors and windows as he moves about the grounds murdering people in the island. Makes total sense |
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2010-11-14, 15:21 | Link #18836 |
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Then tell me a theory that fits every single aspect of EP3 including the latches being placed after there is no person that could apparently re-set them, Krauss, Natsuhi, George and Nanjo's death. EP7 has a particular truth but it doesn't cover every single thing in it. Here's hoping that Battler's or whoever is going to be narrating EP8 does!
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2010-11-14, 15:24 | Link #18837 | |
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it's sort of the same as what Legend Beatrice did with the windows in episode 6.
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2010-11-14, 15:51 | Link #18838 | |
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Logically the only persons who could have done these where Nanjo and Eva but what sort of puzzle would that be if the answer was that simple? What if neither of them did it? |
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2010-11-14, 16:04 | Link #18839 |
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Nanjo and Eva are in on the Fake Epitaph Murders. It makes sense for either or both to let George go in order to continue on with the faking. More Nanjo than Eva though.
It makes sense that George needs to go out to the back because it seemed Battler, Natsuhi and Krauss (in ep 3 that is) weren't in on the fake murders... |
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