2011-01-30, 21:15 | Link #201 | |
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Given that, the solution is obvious: simply don't use magic unless you really, really have to. Get your wish, and continue to live your life. If another MG comes along... "Great! Knock yourself out killing witches; saves me the trouble!" Kyube even referred to the grief seeds as "getting paid" which implies it's a bonus. It makes it sound like having magic powers (which would be pretty sweet and I can see some MG's loving) is the sole reason to keep fighting. Now, if it's revealed that the soul gem will darken anyway regardless, and something bad happens to you when it happens, that's a different story. I've just been trying to brainstorm reasons why an MG would keep fighting if fighting is so horrible. |
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2011-01-30, 21:27 | Link #202 | ||
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Anyone who watches this show must notice how creepy Kyube is. Is anyone going to be impressed if it turns out he's had an evil agenda this whole time? Anyone? I think it will be far more chilling if it turns out he really has been trying to save the world by throwing the lives of young girls into hell. |
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2011-01-30, 21:38 | Link #203 |
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I'm not one who sees Kyube as evil just yet, although I admit a certain minor level of creepiness. It could be just in the presentation, perhaps as a major misdirection on the part of the writers. "See! He seems good on the surface, but he unsettles you a little, so maybe he's evil!" and then later "Psyche! Haha, you really thought he was evil, didn't you?"
And I don't have a problem with him using girls, if the plot calls for it. Many series call children to be the heroes, because they possess something adults don't. So as long as a reason is given, I don't have an issue with it. I would be interested in hearing a reason, though, because it is a good question: Why girls? Why not boys? I know a lot of boys who would gladly take up the mantle of a superhero; at least more than girls would. Perhaps because Kyube found out boys didn't wanna wear a skirt? ;p |
2011-01-30, 22:03 | Link #204 |
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i've always thought that kyubey being evil is quite obvious so i have to consider that he's actually good. you see, he appears very suspicious,and i must say,gen really wants us to think that way. and then when're settled with that,he slaps in our faces that he is not.and that'd be a nice twist.just think how j.k. rowling did with severus snape in HP.. xDD
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2011-01-31, 08:03 | Link #205 | |
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Another possibility is that if your egg gets dark, your wish gets undone. |
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2011-01-31, 08:31 | Link #206 |
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Being able to disregard your obligation to fight witches after getting your wish granted seems like cheating.
Which is why I've always thought there should be an "incentive" to fulfill said obligation, such as the Soul Gem keeping your wish in force. |
2011-01-31, 08:43 | Link #207 | |
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The "using up energy" theory has no credibility as the transfer process is clearly darkness->GS. Mami says otherwise either because 1) She simply didn't notice 2) She realized that QB wouldn't tell her so just went with it. 3) Lied because she wanted companions. Given her back story I'm going with 3 because she was clearly conflicted about getting the girls to join. |
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2011-01-31, 08:49 | Link #208 |
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Im actually more inclined to believe that your wish is tied to your own energu being tied to your own seed. This is probably the most realistic condition that forces one to keep fighting as opposed to say QB warning that he can deny tje wish anytime should you choose to stop your end of the deal.
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2011-01-31, 09:45 | Link #209 | ||
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Anyway, I like Jimmy C's idea the best. If the Magical Girl doesn't keep fighting witches, then her wish is lost. So, in a sense, a Magical Girl is forced to fight witches in order to maintain her wish.
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2011-01-31, 11:35 | Link #212 |
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If you were forced to fight to maintain your wish, wouldn't it be obvious to Homura? Would she not simply tell them? Exposure of the main attraction of being a mahou shoujo as a fraud would pretty much destroy any desire to become one. Since Homura's desire is to prevent the creation, she would have exposed it immediately.
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Maybe you end up getting a severe stomach ache, and/or end up regurgitating the cake, if you don't keep fighting the witches. Quote:
Because it begs the following question: If Magical Girls can become Witches, then why isn't Homura telling Madoka that? In my opinion, that's a much bigger potential turn-off to being a magical girl than having to continue to fight witches in order to maintain one's wish. The simple fact is this: Homura isn't the most expressive person around, and isn't telling Madoka everything. That may indeed be a significant character flaw of her's.
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2011-01-31, 13:21 | Link #215 | |
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Or, in Sayaka's case, her wish was to heal the guy's hand. If he does what some feel, and "dumps" her, or does something stupid and gets himself killed... how do you enforce Sayaka to keep fighting? Who cares if the wish is undone? "Go ahead, take my wish and my powers away; I don't want to risk my life fighting anymore, anyway." I agree there has to be some measure of enforcement or coercion, but I'm at a loss to know what it is. And I'm really fearful the show will never address it. |
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2011-01-31, 13:40 | Link #216 |
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That's why I'm more of a fan of the "MG become witches if their soul gem isn't purified" , not wanting to be a witch could be enough of a reason for the girls to keep fighting,and if their wish somehow doesn't turn out too good maybe they'll just lose the will to fight and accept being a witch.
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2011-01-31, 13:43 | Link #217 | |
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Anyway, can you think of another reason for Homura to say "for our wishes" instead of "because of our wishes"? I'd like to hear it. One more possibility is that a darkened Soul Gem might not turn you into a witch, but it could kill you, and it's still being used to enforce your wish. I have to say, I don't rate this one highly. |
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2011-01-31, 14:03 | Link #218 | |
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And like I said, even if you are right about fighting and maintaining a soul gem to maintain the wish, what if Sayaka decides not to? It sounds like, whatever happens, Sayaka will keep it up anyway, but it represents a situation where an MG could say "No more fighting for me" and there would be no real consequences because the wish affected someone else. Hell, if Kamijou died, there would technically be no need for Sayaka to keep fighting unless she wanted to. There has to be MG's who are in that position, or has come up before. The only thing I can see, is for a soul gem to darken on it's own naturally, and something bad happening when it does. But the show hasn't told us that happens; only that a soul gem darkens with magic use. Of course, it would be an interesting spin if MG's could become witches once their soul gems are completely dark, but that begs the question of why MG's were formed in the first place, unless witches can be created in other ways. Even if Kyube were neutral and honest in his desire to create MG's to kill witches, it would be a delicate balance; too many MG's, and there aren't enough witches to go around, and thus more MG's would become witches when their soul gem darkens over time. Too few, and the witches have their way. And only the right wish can end the situation once and for all. |
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2011-01-31, 14:14 | Link #219 | |
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I hope you are prepared to be startled even more when your idea is exposed. You missed her initial sentence, "Its not for others but for our own wishes that we fight." This is pointing to the previous chapters on wishes for yourself rather than for others aka they are sacrificing and putting themselves for wha they had wished for. Last edited by CrowKenobi; 2011-02-01 at 02:22. Reason: The "EDIT" button is your friend... |
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2011-01-31, 14:21 | Link #220 | |
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So, ironically, world resets and time loops due to wishes, would destroy the very foundation of the world and the series, and thus wouldn't be possible. If so, it's a big plot hole as to why no MG ever had the thought to wish for something like this. |
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